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Conflict in the Middle East

Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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mids2019 · 22/03/2026 12:06

Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

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RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 08:25

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 07:58

Well yeh the US has been paying more and others getting a freer ride from it. There’s no point complaining that countries rely too much on the US as many have and then complaining when they disassociate from relying on them.

The EU putting in 600bn extra too.

Are you saying you are ok with other nations getting nukes ? So long as it's not Iran ?

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 08:32

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 07:34

It’s not NK’s defence that is concerning it’s Iran’s use of them.

Does anyone on here want them to have the weapons?

Wait. What ?

So DPRK have nukes for defense. But Iran will use them ?

Don't you remember what the DPRK has said many times ? Sample here from 2024. Have you forgotten about Trumps talks with Kim.

North Korea's Kim Jong Un threatens to use nuclear weapons against South Korea, US | AP News

CORRECTS DAY OF WEEK OF TRANSMISSION - In this undated photo provided on Sunday, Oct. 6, 2024 by the North Korean government, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, center, watches an artillery exercise at an undisclosed place in North Korea. Independent jou...

North Korea's Kim again threatens to use nuclear weapons against South Korea and US

Kim has issued similar threats to use nuclear weapons preemptively numerous times, but his latest warning came as outside experts say North Korea could ramp up animosities ahead of next month’s U.S. presidential election.

https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-kim-nuclear-weapons-5812004982995598bd8c38e0b902dfae

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 08:46

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 08:25

Are you saying you are ok with other nations getting nukes ? So long as it's not Iran ?

I’ll go with the G7 statement where they say Iran can’t get them. I’m happy with their view and I reckon all other leaders would agree when asked. I’d say everyone else is not keen on MAD.

Do you think Iran should get nukes to even it up?

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 08:57

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 08:46

I’ll go with the G7 statement where they say Iran can’t get them. I’m happy with their view and I reckon all other leaders would agree when asked. I’d say everyone else is not keen on MAD.

Do you think Iran should get nukes to even it up?

I have already said I am against nuke proliferation. And I align with G7 too, because they are also against proliferation. G7 do not say "everyone have nukes except Iran".

Why do you always appear to work on the premise that anyone anti war is somehow pro the Iranian Government ?

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 08:58

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 08:46

I’ll go with the G7 statement where they say Iran can’t get them. I’m happy with their view and I reckon all other leaders would agree when asked. I’d say everyone else is not keen on MAD.

Do you think Iran should get nukes to even it up?

Agree they put it well in their joint Statement from the G7 Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, the USA and the High Representative of the EU:

The G7 has repeatedly stated that Iran must never obtain a nuclear weapon and that it must halt its ballistic missile program, end its destabilizing activities in the region and around the globe, and cease the appalling violence and repression against its own people.

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 09:04

Its true the G7 has repeatedly said that Iran should not have nuclear weapons.

Not sure I’ve read anything statement outright supporting the starting of military action though.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 09:09

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 08:57

I have already said I am against nuke proliferation. And I align with G7 too, because they are also against proliferation. G7 do not say "everyone have nukes except Iran".

Why do you always appear to work on the premise that anyone anti war is somehow pro the Iranian Government ?

You asked a question and I asked one back. If everyone agrees Iran can’t get the nukes then great.

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 09:12

The G7 has repeatedly called for a diplomatic solution.

The G7 did not call for military intervention. That was Israel and the US’s idea.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 09:16

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 08:58

Agree they put it well in their joint Statement from the G7 Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, the USA and the High Representative of the EU:

The G7 has repeatedly stated that Iran must never obtain a nuclear weapon and that it must halt its ballistic missile program, end its destabilizing activities in the region and around the globe, and cease the appalling violence and repression against its own people.

Chance would be a fine thing. Thanks for this. How to get past words to outcome.

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 09:21

But the G7 has never called for military intervention in Iran.

i can see why you’d imply G7 support for military action with those statements though - set up a pretence that there was wider support for a war than there was.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 09:23

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 09:21

But the G7 has never called for military intervention in Iran.

i can see why you’d imply G7 support for military action with those statements though - set up a pretence that there was wider support for a war than there was.

Who has implied it?

I’ve always wanted options on how to achieve those aims, none forthcoming.

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 09:26

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 08:25

Trump has said that a main reason for going to war was to fight the terrorist threat.

That is factually what he has said on multiple occasions. For Israel too, they wanted to fight the terrorist threat that has threatened them on multiple occasions.

Now Trump may have had other motivations too, but it's strange to me that you keep trying to deny that an important war goal was to fight the terrorist threat from Iran and their many proxies in the Middle East.

We are never going to agree on anything so it's pointless us debating really.

Thank goodness! 😂

But it all comes down to effectiveness..... You think military action in the ME, will resolve the issues, yet history has taught us that all it does is make matters worse.

Listening to Jeremy Bowen on R4, the massacres of Palestinians in the late 1940s, yes true got Israel the land it wanted but ensured the formation of the PLO Munich Hijacking, bombings, the wars Israel fought in the 60s and 70s and still does to this day.
A justification Iran has always used is they support a Palestinian state (along with the destruction of Israel, very wrong)

This problem isn't going away with a few 1000 bombs.

BTW i don't always disagree with you but on Israel and its more recent acts of revenge, no we will not, btw public support for what you pov is few and far between too.

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:33

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 07:21

They had 60% enriched uranium, that’s not for civilian use.

Pakistan and NK having them doesn’t mean people should push for Iran getting them.

Are you able to quote anyone who has suggested that 'people should push for Iran getting them'?
You have a habit of failing to understand what is posted and then replying with an unrelated remark.

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:35

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 07:25

I'm not sure quoting someone who is unhinged is evidence or support for your views, let alone his.

He claimed to have destroyed their nuclear facilities last year and now claims it again, the reality is, no one knows what he has achieved other than global economic crisis.

Iran launched many attacks around the gulf last night, blowing up oil tanks, setting fire to a tanker.... Hormuz still remains closed to most.

... they will then, when Trump has had enough in 2 or 3 weeks time, sell oil at a much higher price to Asia etc and have the money to rebuild.... then what? bomb again?

Their enriched stockpiles are likely to be very deep under ground and ready to be exploited again.

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Yes, why do people quote Trump and pretend that what he says should be taken seriously? He changes his mind every day and is a rambling mess and a constant liar.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 09:35

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:33

Are you able to quote anyone who has suggested that 'people should push for Iran getting them'?
You have a habit of failing to understand what is posted and then replying with an unrelated remark.

All this deflection to Pakistan and NK is irrelevant.

Everyone agrees Iran shouldn’t have them no matter how many what abouts - what about being your habit to match your style of post.

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:39

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 07:29

It is unclear if the DPRK have a viable ICBM to use their nukes on the US. And I have not seen any evidence that they sponsor terrorism. I would not count DPRK troops in Ukraine as terrorism.

But yes, after the 2nd Iraq war and the Arab Spring, the DPRK accelerated their efforts on nukes and ICBMs Because it is a sure way to prevent attacks as is happening against Iran now.

You may well be correct. It is reported, of course, but a lot of what is reported simply isn't true. My chief point was that, far from eliminating the threat of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons at some point in the future, it increases it. One reason for that being that they appear to prevent direct attacks from other countries.

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:40

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 09:35

All this deflection to Pakistan and NK is irrelevant.

Everyone agrees Iran shouldn’t have them no matter how many what abouts - what about being your habit to match your style of post.

Re-read my post. It wasn't a What About at all.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 09:44

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:35

Yes, why do people quote Trump and pretend that what he says should be taken seriously? He changes his mind every day and is a rambling mess and a constant liar.

Because you suggested it was never a war goal of the US to stop terrorist attacks and this quote from Trump proves otherwise.

Fighting terrorism from Irans proxies has been mentioned consistently by Trump & his officials as a goal of the war.

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 09:44

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 08:58

Agree they put it well in their joint Statement from the G7 Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, the USA and the High Representative of the EU:

The G7 has repeatedly stated that Iran must never obtain a nuclear weapon and that it must halt its ballistic missile program, end its destabilizing activities in the region and around the globe, and cease the appalling violence and repression against its own people.

I don't know what G7 statement you are quoting from because you have not said / linked. There are a few statements from them. Such as this one from July 1 2025, from which I will quote a similar section as you have.

"We reaffirm that the Islamic Republic of Iran can never have nuclear weapons, and urge Iran to refrain from reconstituting its unjustified enrichment activities. We call for the resumption of negotiations, resulting in a comprehensive, verifiable and durable agreement that addresses Iran’s nuclear program."

Every one of these G7 statements do have the underlined part above, or similar, about resumption of negotiations. But your quote does not have that part.

This statement goes on to say, in the next paragraph:

"In order to have a sustainable and credible resolution, we call on Iran to urgently resume full cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as required by its safeguards obligations and to provide the IAEA with verifiable information about all nuclear material in Iran, including by providing access to IAEA inspectors. We condemn calls in Iran for the arrest and execution of IAEA Director General Grossi."

And as other posters have said, I have never seen G7 call for war. They always call for negotiation and inspection so far as I am aware. And never bombing.

Source for the quote above is here, in case ppl want to check I have not changed it, or missed anything out. It's a pukka link.

Joint Statement of the G7 Foreign Ministers on Iran and the Middle East - United States Department of State

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https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2025/07/joint-statement-of-the-g7-foreign-ministers-on-iran-and-the-middle-east/

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 09:45

Everyone agrees that Iran shouldn’t have nuclear weapons - everyone does not agree that Israel and the US should have launched military action.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 09:45

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 08:58

Agree they put it well in their joint Statement from the G7 Foreign Ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, the USA and the High Representative of the EU:

The G7 has repeatedly stated that Iran must never obtain a nuclear weapon and that it must halt its ballistic missile program, end its destabilizing activities in the region and around the globe, and cease the appalling violence and repression against its own people.

It seems everyone posting agrees with this, no one has to agree with the current action even if they agree with it as I said in pp.

The issue is that statement getting past some pretty good sounding words. And not by looking back as that can’t change, but what to do now.

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:48

BelleHathor · 01/04/2026 07:42

There has been discussion in the Iranian parliament this week to leave the Nuclear Non proliferation treaty. Made more urgent by the fact that Israel and America have struck multiple Nuclear sites in Iran during this war (with no regard for the humanitarian disaster any leak would cause). Did the IAEA head Grossi condemn this?

Grossi told US broadcaster CBS News in an interview earlier this month that no war has the capability to totally destroy Iran’s nuclear programme, “unless it was nuclear war and you go for destruction unfathomable, which we hope will never be the case”.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/28/lawmakers-push-npt-exit-as-us-israel-hit-irans-nuclear-sites-steel-plants

The incentive to develop and deploy a Nuclear weapon is now heightened by the fact that 2 nuclear states (US and Israel) are hell bent on the destruction of Iran and it's 92 million people. This war killed the older generation of leaders who were used to the status quo (often only responding symbolically). They also adviced the younger leaders who wanted to "fire more rockets" to negotiate.

Also, I am not sure citing the morality of perfidious entities that have unilaterally attacked twice during negotiations matters anymore, when they double tapped a girl's primary school. Destroyed and starved Gaza and are in the process of destroying South Lebanon.

I didn't know that. Thanks. I'm not surprised though.
At least Grossi added 'which we hope will never be the case'.

Some people are incredibly concerned about Iran acquiring nuclear weapons but completely fail to grasp that there is a risk of Israel using their nuclear weapons that they already have in this current conflict. I suppose there will still be people who blame Iran if Israel do decide to do this.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 09:50

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:48

I didn't know that. Thanks. I'm not surprised though.
At least Grossi added 'which we hope will never be the case'.

Some people are incredibly concerned about Iran acquiring nuclear weapons but completely fail to grasp that there is a risk of Israel using their nuclear weapons that they already have in this current conflict. I suppose there will still be people who blame Iran if Israel do decide to do this.

Of course people are concerned about Iran getting them, weren’t you too? Shifting to other countries won’t change that.

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 09:52

rainingsnoring · 01/04/2026 09:39

You may well be correct. It is reported, of course, but a lot of what is reported simply isn't true. My chief point was that, far from eliminating the threat of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons at some point in the future, it increases it. One reason for that being that they appear to prevent direct attacks from other countries.

Yup, and I agree with you on that. Not only will this war encourage Iran to seek a nuke, but it will drive all their nuke stuff underground. No more UN inspectors etc, no more talks.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 09:55

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 09:44

I don't know what G7 statement you are quoting from because you have not said / linked. There are a few statements from them. Such as this one from July 1 2025, from which I will quote a similar section as you have.

"We reaffirm that the Islamic Republic of Iran can never have nuclear weapons, and urge Iran to refrain from reconstituting its unjustified enrichment activities. We call for the resumption of negotiations, resulting in a comprehensive, verifiable and durable agreement that addresses Iran’s nuclear program."

Every one of these G7 statements do have the underlined part above, or similar, about resumption of negotiations. But your quote does not have that part.

This statement goes on to say, in the next paragraph:

"In order to have a sustainable and credible resolution, we call on Iran to urgently resume full cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as required by its safeguards obligations and to provide the IAEA with verifiable information about all nuclear material in Iran, including by providing access to IAEA inspectors. We condemn calls in Iran for the arrest and execution of IAEA Director General Grossi."

And as other posters have said, I have never seen G7 call for war. They always call for negotiation and inspection so far as I am aware. And never bombing.

Source for the quote above is here, in case ppl want to check I have not changed it, or missed anything out. It's a pukka link.

Joint Statement of the G7 Foreign Ministers on Iran and the Middle East - United States Department of State

I will link to the G7 statement I referred to later, but I’m on my mobile at the moment so it’s harder.

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