Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

There is a responsibility under international law to verify a target.

That it was a school was in the public domain for a decade.

So the US opened fire without verification of the target.

And if it’s happened once what is to say it hasn’t happened since?

Israel has been backed and funded by the US so there is that counter balance?

Russia, Israel and Iran are pariah states. They have routinely kills thousands of civilians in the neighboring countries. It's well documented, and part of their routine modus operandi. Of course, you'll find their supporters trying to justify why they do this, trying to explain why what are different. These people and their supports know exactly what they are doing.

Of course there are notable differences too. The Iranian regime and their treatment of their own population.

No there is absolutely no comparison. I suggest you go and spend some time in Iran for a bit and see if you can discover the difference. The US openly funds the Iron Dome, a defensive system. The money is voted by Congress through normal democratic processes. Iranian is a dictatorship that funds wide networks of proxies and terrorists in order to destablose the Middle East and the West.There is no comparison.

Give it time with Cuba.

So where is the data for what you say re Iran ? Can't the folk who started this war not just produce a paper, with referenced evidence ? At least Bush tried.

Eg, for UK (first hit on search) -

U.K. police arrest 7 Iranians in what government calls biggest counterterrorism operations in years - CBS News

From May last year. Note this bit :

Britain's domestic intelligence service, MI5, has warned of a growing threat from attackers linked to Tehran. Cooper said "the ongoing investigation is immensely important" to determine whether the arrests were connected to the Iranian state.

Was that investigation completed ? Results ?

And it goes on :

"MI5 chief Ken McCallum said in October that his agents and police had tackled 20 "potentially lethal" plots backed by Iran since 2022, most aimed at Iranians in the U.K. who oppose the country's authorities."

Aimed at Iranians in the UK. Dissidents.

Atrocious behavior for sure. Arrests should be made, if possible, expel diplomats and so on. Add it to the list of things to be negotiated at Government level

So it's not as it's made out to be in the war justification is it ? It's not bombing railway stations etc, as it would lead one to believe.

It's pretty deceptive really.

Anyone with any sense can find evidence of widespread Iranian threats. I have better things to do than argue with people who know full well that Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism I the world. Its like arguing with flat earthers here.

As for Cuba, they are in no position at the moment to get involved in any sort of widespread global terrorism.

They’re better at exporting terror to their nearest neighbours. Hence the region getting fed up and signing Accords without them, and likely due to them.

I’m not sure why the IRGC need support from anywhere.

Has anyone run the numbers?

I mean, if everyone claims to be under existential threat over there, with each one claiming the other as the most dangerous, most aggressive, and most dangerous to the world at large, we must have some way of figuring it out.

So - is there a way to see, by number, who is the worst?

Which regime/country has killed the most civilians, and military personnel
in the past say - 15/20 years?

And which regime/country has caused the most infrastructure damage in the same time frame?

Surely that would give an indication of who, objectively is the most dangerous to others and the most vulnerable?

I trhink that you will find the major destabilising force in North Africa and the Middle East over the past 70 years is the United States of America, which in the early eighties, empowered Iraq to attack Iran and helped it use chemical weapons on the Kurds and Iranians. The US then attacked Libya in 1986, using F111 aircraft based in the UK, then again in 2011 the US and others launched major military operations against Libya. From 1979 to 1989, the US provided weapons to the Mujahideen (Taliban) in their fight against Russia. In 2001, the US invaded Afghanistan. In 2003, the US invaded Iraq, the subsequent war killed between 185,000 and 250,000 civilians. The US has been involved in other wars, in Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen.

Funny enough, I have done a lot of debates with flat earthers online (and in bars) and I totally see what you mean. If fact it is from debating "flerths" that I honed my appreciation of facts and tried to learn how to present them.

When you say this for example: "Anyone with any sense can find evidence of widespread Iranian threats.", that is basically a "do your own research" statement, as often used by flat earthers.

But in a flat earth debate, me being a glober, I would say no. It your claim, so you provide the evidence.

And that's the thing here. You should instantly be able to lay your hands on the evidence and post it. Because it is an official Government line, and they should be publishing it. But no, it's like asking a flat earther where the sun goes at night. The response is " Um, erm, it's obvious, anyone can see it..., look it up"

As I pointed out from picking a random news report, no it is not obvious, certainly not to the extent of using it for justification for a pre-emptive war.

20 Iranian terror plots in one year in the U.K. isn’t the reason most are turning on the IRGC.

It’s the brutality against their own people, the proxy terrorism and the weapons production.

Im gardening. Why should I spend my time digging out information that is readily available and has been headline news in very recent times. The fact that you don't know this stuff means we are really starting from scratch & you have no intention of taking it on board or you would already know it. Do I need to prove that Putin is a threat to Nato too? That's the level of obviousness we are dealing with here.

It is a reason being given here.

@SharonEllissays in the world, not just here.

I am in no hurry. You made the claim, so it is no problem for me to wait for you to produce the evidence for the claim. If you can't find the evidence or can't be bothered posting a link, then just withdraw it.

That's how it works in flat earth debates.

Quote :"That's the level of obviousness we are dealing with here."

Yup, Flerths say that a lot too. It don't make the earth flat though.

That's an argument from popularity fallacy ?

So it should be dropped as part of the justification for the war.

What are Trumps reasons he is saying today ?

Looking this up I take it to mean you alone can see the IRGC are good and the comparable countries who have proscribed them have it wrong, and the Abraham Accord countries leaving them out have it wrong too.

What is it you like about the IRGC?

Are you actually denying

1. Iranian funding and backing of Hamas, Hezbollah,The Houthis and other proxies in Palestine, Iraq and Syria?
2. That Iran does not recognise Israel & has repeatedly vowed to destroy it
3. That Iran has one of the worst human rights records in the world & brutally repressed its citizens
4. That Iranians were recently found to be surveilling Jewish sites in the UK
5. The veracity of official counter terrorism assessments in the uk https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10413/
6. That the EU and other states such as Australia have prescribed the ICRG directly because of credible threats and plots
7. That Iran supplie Russia with military equipment to use against Ukraine, directly threatening peace and security in Europe

Off the top of my head. You can Google all those points if you are in any doubt

You are not going to get the answer that you requested as it would immediately destroy any justification for the unlawful war launched by 2 nuclear powers against Iran. Iran must be painted as a monster both to manufacture consent for this war and absolve the soldiers bombing school's of any guilt (as they are "liberating" Iran).

1. Until 2024 Iran had never "attacked" Israel. However after Israel violated Syrian airspace and Iranian sovereignty and carried out an assassination at the Iranian Embassy, Iran legally responded. That was the first time they ever fired rockets at Israel.
2. Thankfully Larry Johnson, former CIA analyst was so frustrated with the propaganda that he wrote an article about the biggest state sponsors of terrorism: "US policymakers, consistently describe Iran as the world’s leading or foremost state sponsor of terrorism. This characterization has been a cornerstone of U.S. policy toward Iran for decades, with Iran designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism by the U.S. State Department since January 19, 1984... roughly 90% or more of identified terrorist attacks between 2004-2023 were carried out by groups or individuals with ties to Sunni extremist ideologies, particularly Salafi jihadism. Based on the available data from 2004-2023, approximately 85-95% of terrorist attacks in the State Department reports were carried out by Sunni extremist groups or individuals. The top perpetrator groups each year (Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Qaeda affiliates, al-Shabaab, TTP, etc.) were all Sunni........From 1979 to April 2024, the top 5 deadliest groups were responsible for 81.8% of all Islamist terrorist attack victims: Al-Qaeda (14,856 deaths) – Sunni Taliban (71,965 deaths) – Sunni Islamic State/ISIS (69,641 deaths) – Sunni Boko Haram (26,081 deaths) – Sunni Al-Shabaab (21,784 deaths) – Sunni........ Despite these facts, Israel persists in pushing the lie that Iran (Shia) represents the major threat of terrorism. https://sonar21.com/the-big-lie-about-irans-support-for-terrorism/
3. That Iran targeted Israel straight after the revolution points to ignorance. Israel and Iran may not have had a warm relationship, however it was through Israel that the United States supplied Iran with weapons during the Iraq/Iran was in the 1980s. This eventually led to the Iran/Contra Affair: https://webhelper.brown.edu/cheit/Understanding_the_Iran_Contra_Affair/i-thebeginning.php (* Note the name Khashoggi, he was the Uncle of the journalist murdered by Saudi Arabi in Turkey).
4. People often bring up the Beirut Barracks bombing in 1983, allegedly carried out at the direction and with the support of Iran, though no substantive proof has ever been provided and the group that claimed responsibility was the Islamic Jihad Organization not Hezbollah. Also interesting is the claim by former Mossad agent that Israel had prior knowledge of the bombing but did not inform America : www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-09-13-mn-390-story.html "According to the book, the informant said the hidden spaces in the truck were large, and Mossad deduced the target had to be big. “Now the Mossad knew that, for size, there were only a few logical targets, one of which must be the U.S. compound,” Ostrovsky writes. The Mossad decided to give its CIA allies only a general warning, he adds. Refusing to give them specifics, Mossad chief Nahum Admoni is quoted as having said: “No, we’re not there to protect Americans. They’re a big country.”

So you are right to ask these questions.

As for this I said the reasons most of the world is turning on the IRGC. Whether that’s proscription or leaving them out of accords.

It’s really a few on SM in their corner, bizarrely.

Lol at a few on Social media, MAGA is openly calling Trump a traitor. Turns the moral compass of most Americans do not agree with bombing schools.

CPAC 2026 yesterday, biggest Republican conference. Note that the CPAC crowd is usually older and strongly pro Trump.

Crowd shouts for impeachment of Trump:

Owen Shroyer, big former Trump supporter "majority of people in this country will be beg for Trump to be impeached":

A few pro IRGC around yep. What is good about them, can you say?

Raising questions about the purpose and likely outcomes of the war is not being ‘in the IRGC’s corner’.

Until 2024 Iran had never "attacked" Israel. However after Israel violated Syrian airspace and Iranian sovereignty and carried out an assassination at the Iranian Embassy, Iran legally responded. That was the first time they ever fired rockets at Israel.

This is the most disingenuous comment I have read on this thread. Long before 2024 Iran has attacked Israel through arming and financing their proxies Hamas, Hizbollah and Houtis.