Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

The IRGC doesn’t seem to hold back on aims to wipe them out. Why would they doubt it.

Reading about the Abraham Accord it seems a few in the region were concerned about Iran too.

We aren't talking hypothetically though. The Iron Dome saves civilian lives.

I care about lives. Not sure about the war hawks.

And see what happens when missiles get through the Iron Dome and people are killed. Israel ramp up the attacks. Accuse Iran of targeting non military targets while Israel targets.... non military targets. How can it stop if both sides ramp up ?

Israel has the Iron Dome, they could stop anytime, while they still have ammo left for it. But no, it has become a race. Destroy them before we run out of defensive ammo.

Talk is not even in the Israeli equation it seems.

You can probably argue the same for the US, unlikely any of their civilians will get killed in the current US aggression in the Middle East

Of course you can. It's the whole basis of MAD.

If Trump had his Golden dome that he wants now, and he thought he could launch ICBMs with zero fear of being hit back, it is quite possible he would.

you see I find it hypocritical for anyone to criticise for Hamas not caring about civilians, whilst at the same time justifying why Israel needs to kill those civilians - many of whom are women and children. If people really cared they would say just don’t fucking kill civilians, not “well it’s very sad but the IDF don’t have a choice”. I call that faux concern.

Or that they will take the influx of displaced people.

Much easier to wage a war 11,000 kilometers away.

This is bizarre to me. What makes you want to jump in and defend Israel on the issue of discrimination and inequality when the ICJ says that they commit racial segregation, when they protect terrorists ethnically cleansing people from their land because of their race? It's not happening within the boundaries of Israel(well the current boundaries) but Israel are still doing it. They still have a horrifically racist government with horrifically racist policies and actions. Israel is racist, violently, viciously racist and this needs to be spoken about not white washed. The vast majority of Israeli Arabs feel unsafe living under this violently racist government and who can blame them? Israel doesn't just have problems like everywhere else, it's not a country with just a little inequality problem it's a country currently ethnically cleansing villages across the West Bank of all non Jewish residents.

Really? it happens all the time "Israel is justified to attack other countries, killing whoever they like because in these countries are people who want to destroy Israel"
Totally ignoring the fact they don't actually have the means to do so.

Even when 170 children killed in Iran it was explained away as a "Accident, a mistake"
No it fucking wasn't, it was murder, someone ordered that missile to hit that school, they knew it was a school, it had been a school for years.

Now we have journalists killed today in Lebanon, killing medics and journalists is a tried and tested tactic in Gaza (defended on here with "we don't know they were journalists....") and now being used in Lebanon.

I used to have great sympathy for Israel and the suffering they have been through, not any more.

Nonsense. Israel did not start this. Iran has been attacking and undermining Israel since the Islamic Revolution which has a stated intention to destroy Israel and Jews and has actively pursued that through terrorism and direct attacks in Israel and in diaspora - as evidenced in the last 2 weeks here in the UK. Its the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world and a threat to all of us.

Ordinary Iranians are appalled by all sorts of violence, not least the 1000s of them killed by their own government, but the Islamic regime is not remotely appalled by it. In fact it celebrates it. Lebanon is attacked because of the Iran backed Houthis - everyone knows this.

Why on earth would we assume that Iran is 100% to blame for all violence and death in the Middle East? I can think how that helps.

The IRGC are alone on this. I say the leaders as even the people in Iran don’t want the torture and death they put on them.

The region got it together with the Abraham Accords, likely due to Iran being a major problem for all of them. No one wants their export of terrorism.

This "biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world "thing interests me. Not because I am defending the Iranian Government, but because its a reason regularly bandied about without definition or figures.

It is used as a reason, in my view an excuse, for whoever it is in fashion to bomb/attack/sanction. It was used against Iraq alongside WMD, Libya and recently Maduro. Cuba next I suspect.

And as the bombing starts, we are told of x number of foiled plots etc in whatever nation. But these plots never appear to make the news in terms of arrests.

And "biggest sponsor" is so easy to manipulate.

Say there is a thousand terror attacks. And 5 are sponsored by nation X. 4 by Y, and 1 by Z. That makes 10 sponsored. 990 non sponsored, or "independent".

So the "biggest sponsor" can be technically true, but actually insignificant. And that's number of attacks, not people killed. But you get my drift.

So likes of the US for example, there might be ISIS inspired, far right inspired, far left inspired, but maybe just 1 country x sponsored. Yet it is country x that gets the full might of the US military etc.

My point is that "biggest in the world" is going to be used, data really should be presented.

After all, if we are talking about bombings and subterfuge in an attempt to get change of government, there is one clear winner in world ranking.

@Alexandra2001
Even when 170 children killed in Iran it was explained away as a "Accident, a mistake"
No it fucking wasn't, it was murder, someone ordered that missile to hit that school, they knew it was a school, it had been a school for years.

Most sources say it was the US and not Israel, and was based on faulty intelligence. Tragic, but not the intentional destruction of a school.

Yes, everyone recognises Iran is the major destabilising force in the region, except those who are pro-ICRG - and even some of them will recognise it, if only to applaud it!

And obviously I meant Hizbollah not Houthis BTW.

Yep it’s just a weird thing on SM where people rally round the IRGC.

Even the AA signatories don’t agree.

Nonsense. Israel did not start this.

Well international law would take a different view as would the majority of the international community who very much view Israel and the US as the aggressors in this illegal war.

Where does Cuba facilitate terrorism?

What are you talking about in regards to Iranian terrorism? Do you not read any news at all? There is masses of evidence. Iranian backed terrorist organisations are priscribed around the world. Plots are uncovered all the time and arrests made. Its only down to active intelligence operations that more people haven't been killed. When the Jewish community in this country is actively under threat in this country its fucking outrageous to.minimise this.

Try reading the whole post.

I think the issue is that if I take a gun with the intention of killing John, but I get it wrong and kill Peter, the usual reaction would not be " shame about Peter. Ahh well".

And if Peter happened to be a ten year old sat in school, I don't think it would be hand waved away.

Noone is waving it away. Except probably the Islamic regime who Im quite sure don't give a shit.

I did, in the context of the post you were responding to.

The US government certainly are. No remorse whatsoever just vague excuses for their "mistake"

Trump and Hegseth have, among others. Trump said Iran did it.

International law protects the state not the people so if the IRGC want another 47 years of doing worse they’d be protected.

Who's waving it away? I'm just disputing that it was intentional murder of schoolchildren.

Most people can see the difference between targeting civilians and accidentally killing civilians.