Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

[mids2019]

When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

It would immediately bring the $200 barrels of oil.

Thankfully they have announced that for now they are sticking to the Ceasefire agreement made with Trump last year, where they agreed not to target American ships but reserved the right to attack Israel.

What a tinder box. I wonder if the gov should be taking steps now to stretch out supplies ?
Rather than wait for supplies to run out ?

I think they should.

But I also think they're hesitant to say or do too much in case panic buying occurs and creates or exacerbates shortages.

The price of fuel is rather high already. Around £1,80/ L for diesel in a standard petrol station. Petrol is not that far behind.

They really cannot obstruct two major waterways in the Middle East. The Strait of Hormuz is bad enough.
I am hoping for a settlement between US and Iran.
But I am worried about Israel following. They have acted against US wishes, and, apparently, knowledge before. And they do not seem that concerned to have several wars going on at the same time. They also have a thing for not sticking to ceasefires.
Let's hope for the best. No more proxies, no more bombing each other, no more occupying any other country, everyone nicely collected within their own borders, minding their own businesses. No nuclear weapons. Hormuz back to its normal. An Iran that is softer on their own and gets the idea of respecting individuality, even if a woman just wants to walk outside with her hair out.
And we, Europe, to get working on re-arranging a new order, where we have zero dependance on US, make trade deals with the rest of the world, our own peace deal with Russia and get our defence taken care of. Without Trump. I think globalisation is done and dusted. We need manufacturing back. Our own tech industry. And to stand on our feet.
If we did need a wake up call after Trump's talk about annexing Canada and Greenland and the Trump- Zelensky exchange ( by which point it was more than clear ), we had it now. The old US-Europe alliance is history. And, actually, Trump is our enemy. Hard to believe, but that is what it is.

I think we're less than a month away from fuel rationing to stretch out our strategic reserves. I saw somewhere earlier today about leaked reports from Australia and New Zealand which included plans for 'energy lockdowns'.

I'm not surprised. It's going to be rough.

Do you have a link re the energy lockdowns? I wonder how they would structure them here. Obviously a push for WFH where possible but I wonder how far they would go and how else it will impact things. Flights cancelled? What about non-essential driving? Restrictions or just advice?

I appreciate that you don't have the answers, I'm just musing "out loud".

On the plus side, more people walking & cycling will be great for the environment and for their health.

It's hard to say. If we are short of fuel I don't think restrictions will be advisory. I suspect essential users will be prioritised. Everyone else could be limited on the amount they can purchase or petrol stations will get a delivery and sell it on a first come first serve basis. You may have to meet certain criteria for being on the road, similar to COVID.

It's not just oil but LNG which is also a global market and Qatar produces about 20% of global supply. About 30% of our electricity is generated from imported LNG most of which we get from the US and Norway but as I said it's a global market so if there are shortages we could see rolling blackouts come winter when energy use typically increases.

Not so great if there are food shortages though. There will be very, very few 'winners' from a situation where ahuge chunk of the global supply chain for many essential 'ingredients' is shut down. There could be economic collapse and widespread starvation though.

Sounds almost as if you're trying to foment panic.

No. Merely trying to point out that your comment was a foolish one.

You might think that higher fuel prices would lead to less use?

However, purely anecdotal, out on my bicycle yesterday, local roads busier than ever, A30 stacked, cycled past 2 garden centres and a cafe... rammed full of cars.

Whilst fuel has gone up, for the casual motorist, its still affordable.

The big issue will be farmers, why harvest or plant when the costs of doing so outweigh the fixed price deal they have with the supermarkets.... Red Diesel has almost doubled in price.

Air travel too....

...and all because 2 old far right demented men believe their own BS.

All of this is so unnecessary.

Out of interest how does Israel get all their weapons and army ? For such a small country they pack a military punch ?
How much land and space must be devoted to making weapons ? They have had lengthy engagement in Gaza and now Lebanon and Iran etc ?

@Alexandra2001 isn't it all down to Iran actually ?
If Iran wasn't in the grip of an instable mad disturbing patriarchal leadership then we wouldn't be here. .

Asda boss and BP man said giv arnt doing enough.

Act now to ease pain later.
Why wait for supplies to dwindle.

I just feel we are fading an abyss here and nothing is being done to prepare.

Good wake up call for governments to realise what they've done to food security, agriculture...and farmers.

Not as foolish as fomenting panic over something that most people can do nothing about...unless that's your aim. I note your posting history is very anti-west so am not surprised.

Yep they’ve had 47 years to stop, the leaders that is, the people don’t want their brutality either. Annoying their neighbours enough with proxy terrorism for them to sign Abraham Accords is part of this.

@Legssses

...I wonder how far they would go and how else it will impact things. Flights cancelled?

Cancellations and consolidations are already reported be happening in parts of the world and pretty much inevitable worldwide unless the situation is resolved very very quickly.

You do realise that this war won't just affect the West right? The Philippines has already declared a national emergency, there are massive queues for petrol in Bangladesh, and several other Asian countries are already in very difficult situations. China does seem to have been very sensible wrt their planning as usual and the Russians are the current winners here (do they count as Western or Asian to you?). I have been against this war from the start (and against the war in Ukraine from the too). If you think that makes me, Anti-West, I can't argue with your interpretation. Others might call it pacifist. Perhaps I was just able to see that both were likely to be a disaster, both for the West and others, while others were just commenting about how it was a great thing for the people of Iran. I am absolutely against the Western leaders who have a long history of exceptionally poor decision making. Again, if that makes me Anti-Western, so be it. I also can't control how you respond to my posts.

They are funded and at least partly supplied by the US. However, the US now appears to have rather low stock piles of several types of weapons and the Israelis are apparently low on interceptors. Some say this is the reason for the 10 day pause.

You think it's just a 'good wake up call' for governments? Those in government will be in the front of the queue for any available food.
Hopefully there will be considerable re-focusing of policy. If the population would actually vote anyone in who would do that in a sensible way. Unfortunately, the UK population, and many others are rather entitled and used to their benefits (I don't mean just legal benefits, including pensions, but all UK advantages).

@rainingsnoring

I have been against this war from the start (and against the war in Ukraine from the too). If you think that makes me, Anti-West, I can't argue with your interpretation.

Unless you think Ukraine should have just let Russia walk in I don't see why opposing that conflict would make you Anti-West.

That's a very simplistic take on the situation. It was the other poster who suggested that I am 'Anti West'.

It feels very like it did in Feb/early March 2020 when we were all reading about COVID but still watching flights coming and going and the UK govt doing nothing.

Similarly, lots of friends and family are a bit 🤨 if i mention the likely economic impacts and posters on here are asking for advice on what clothes to wear on their summer holiday. Maybe it just hasn't registered wirh people yet? But it is utterly bizarre.