Are people still rejoicing about Iran?

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When Israel and the US took out Khamenei there was a thread on how great it was. Some of us expressed that it may not end well, given how forced regime change went previously in many countries. We were told to stop "leftsplaining" to Iranians. How do those people think it's going so far?

Sorry about the typo in the title!

I was never "rejoicing" over the war in Iran and I've not heard of "leftsplaining" until you just used the term.

How do I think it's going so far ... worse for the Iranians than for the US or Israel who have partially achieved some of their goals already.

But it's not over yet so I guess we will see when it ends what each country has won/lost from the war.

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I have reported and hopefully they will change the title. I don't think it's going well at all for the US. The wider ramifications in the middle east are very unclear. I think we can say that it has not advanced stability in the region at all so far. It has made the world more unstable, and may well further undermine the world economy. Hopefully it will not precipitate a recession. The key thing is that it is impissible to predict the outcome of actions like this.

I'm not sad about the end of Khamenei, but there's nothing to rejoice about yet is there? No new less extreme regime, no visible from here moderate opposition, bombs and drones falling all over the ME...
I think the jury is still out on whether or not this'll turn out to have been a good idea... and I don't believe the vast majority of posters know exactly whats going on in Iran or what will happen in the future.
So. Happy Khamenei is dead yes. Rejoicing that theres a war on, no. Sure that it isnt going well for the US? Also no.

Still hopeful but no sure something good will come of this? Yes, of course, why not? The regime was hugely destabilizing to the whole region and supported and funded terrorism in many places.

What do you think OP?

I wish the Iranian people all the best, they have an amazing culture, and are so resilient. I'll shed no tears for Khamenei, a brutal dictator. But I think they have been very poorly served by this decision to assisinate him. I can't see how anyone can think that Trump and Netanyahu had anything but their own interests at heart. Neither cares a jot for human lives or human rights. They've destabilised the region. Caused many civilian deaths. Are damaging the world economy. And no-one knows what will come of it, good or ill. But history suggests probably nothing good but more conflict and death of many more innocents.

This is a very bleak outlook?

Yes, BN and DT have the best interests of their nation's at heart, but so does every world leader ever in the history of humankind. Sometimes the best interests of 2 nations can run in tandem, I hope that is what we see happening here.

We dont know yet if the Iranian people have been poorly served or not. Yes of course currently destabilized, but it may still turn out to have been for the best. The ME wasn't exactly stable two weeks ago either. Iran via its proxies has been calculatedly destabilizing the whole region since 1979 all in the name of religious sectarianism, and hatred for Israel and the West.

I know nothing any of us say on here matters in the wider scheme of things but I swear it often feels like some people want the US and Israel to fail so that they can be proved right about how absolutely abhorrent DT and BN are.

I'm chosing hope myself 🙏🙏🙏

I disagree that either Trump or Netanyahu has the best interests of their nations at heart. They are totally self serving. My view is bleak, yes, but I have not felt this concerned about the world in my life to date. I'm in my 60s so have seen a good bit. I think we are living through the 1930s again unfortunately.

I haven't felt as concerned about the world before either. But I think / hope this is as much a factor of the media saturated world we live in. I don't think our brains can cope with problems completely outside of our control happening 1000's of miles away. I agree with you about the 1930's although I suspect for different reasons. Sometimes I feel like choosing hope is a forced position. But thats the position I take.

I agree with this summary.
Iran’s new supreme leader exposes the US as just another Team America

I think only a lunatic would rejoice the current situation in Iran: environmental catastrophe, chemical warfare against civilians through the burning of refineries, economic strangulation of the poor, sanitary crisis and water pollution, lower expected health outcomes via less medicines/personnel/infrastructure available, and the risk of targeting the nuclear reactors eg in busher which would cause an astonishing wave of radioactive molecules across the region.

That said, the misanthropic goals of the agenda 2030 are absolutely in line with the economic gains at hand: public-private partnerships for the privatization of profit, war industrial complex and war industrialization on the rise, politicians lining their pockets via briberies.

The stakeholders of this war only sees us, people, as biomass to be exploited at best, or collateral at worse.
It is only a matter of time until we are called to face the same situation here in the west.

My lovely Iranian friend has told me that it is is the first time many of her friends and family have felt hopeful - but they are also terrified. Two things can be true at the same time and anyone trying to score political points out of suffering, is just making things worse 😭

I have huge sympathy for them, but wanting to discuss an important but contested issue is not scoring points.

I wasn’t referring to any individual here - but this does feel like what the wider discussion has become, particularly online and with many of our politicians. We seem to be living in a nuance vacuum

When the war ends Iran will still be divided about the way forward, but one thing certain is no one will want Trump putting a puppet government in place.

It is so sad that innocent Iranians are getting caught up in Trumps ego trip. Seeing a video today of a terrified young Iranian boy searching for his mother after their house had been bombed was absolutely heart breaking. I feel so sad for the suffering of the innocent in this war, and just hope they eventually find peace.

Not seen a thread where people are 'rejoicing' or where people are 'leftsplaining' whatever that is. Or seen your user name on a thread arguing against those imagined things people are supposed to have done/said.

Apart from Twiglets posters are either new people or name change for this thread 🤔. Sometimes, threads feel like they are created as a gotcha attempt, but fail miserably.

I remember some Iranian people calling for help when the regime slaughtered thousands of protesters. I recall less interest in criticising the Iran regime than might be expected, since they had slaughtered thousands of their own people, indeed, lots of young protesters. The ones against the regime certainly needed support or help.

Wars are awful and many people die. They are never to be 'rejoiced' about, although people may hope the end result is regime change and no nuclear weapons development potential, for a regime that will happily fire missiles and drones at their peaceful, neighbouring countries who aren't at war with them.

Apart from that, what can be said to someone new, about previous discussions to someone, who didn't discuss those things 🤔

I'm sorry your friends are going through this. I cannot imagine what it's like for them, being both hopeful but terrified.

I hope they get freedom from the regime with a better way forward.

Whilst I think the regime is abhorrent the actions by the USA in my view were wrong. I think the U.K. should not get involved. Trump
probably now realises it is not as easy as he thinks to tipple the regime, his latest call to other for help just which is now threatening is another example of his bullying behaviour

I agree its media saturated and outside of our control.

I chose hope. A world without the Iranian regime and its proxy terrorist groups has to be better for the majority of people.

Iran destabilises the region

They funded and trained Hezbollah who are involved in the drugs trade, not only in the region but also in the US and the west (see drugs, money laundering and drone manufacture in Venezuela)

Also the lebanese government isn’t in control of Lebanon, Hezbollah is.

they propped up Assad who with the help of the IRCG and Hezbollah murderd 500k syrians

They funded the Houthis, who brought back slavery and a caste system and sue child soldiers

Hamas who not only kill Israelis but are pretty busy shooting gazans in the adms and legs

Thats just the topline stuff, they’ve been doing this for decades.

I have literally never seen the civilians of any country asking foreigners to come bomb their country. EVER? I assume the Iranians think it’s worth it.

Also whats all this nonsense about “caring”. What matters is outcomes, not peoples feelings. Lets say the Iranians eventually have a free democratic country where women aren’t raped before they are hanged. Do you think they will lie awake thinking “yeah but I don’t feel like Trump really actually cares for me, like he never really truly had proper feelingz for us”.

Also sometimes peace is won through war, the illusion that diplomacy works assumes that your opponents aren’t solely motivated by self interest and religious fanaticism. The idea that if we are just “nice” enough and “reasonable” enough is ridiculous. It’s seen as weakness and rightly so. Russian invaded Ukraine (drones supplied by Iran) because they rightly calculated the west wouldn’t do shit about it.

There were definitely threads where posters viewed this war as a positive thing, cheering it on and predicting freedom for the Iranian people from their current regime. I was gobsmacked that they could be so naive. History (even fairly recent) teaches us that’s not how it goes! This war will profit certain people for sure, will it be the Iranian citizens? I highly doubt it, the signs aren’t good, and they are suffering more at the moment than before the war.
The fall out for the Middle East is not good, destabilisation is a real issue. And the global economic fall out is also becoming very painful. What a mess all round.

I am on the Ayatollah has been killed thread, under the same user name

And on other threads about middle east conflict, under this name but also others as I change my name regularly. Which is common in mumsnet

In more recent reports, Iranians are not asking for bombing to continue. Now that civilian deaths are high, the capital is destroyed and Hegseth is raining down death and destruction.