Are people still rejoicing about Iran?

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When Israel and the US took out Khamenei there was a thread on how great it was. Some of us expressed that it may not end well, given how forced regime change went previously in many countries. We were told to stop "leftsplaining" to Iranians. How do those people think it's going so far?

Nope. I am on those threads too.
Does anyone know which are Trump objectives? Like crystal clear?
I think not.
But, well, it is to Trump who you have to query.
I, personally, do not think he has a clue or cares about any of it enough to make a plan.

I can’t keep up with what threads people are on I just know I don’t recognise what the pp was claiming for posts. It’s enough to just respond to actual posts not general stuff.

I expect you have been on other threads where the US main objectives have been listed but I will repeat them here, from the Washington Institute:

One week into the war with Iran, the United States seems to have settled on four primary objectives: (1) destroying Iran’s navy; (2) destroying Iran’s missile capabilities; (3) preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons; and (4) preventing Iran from supporting proxy groups, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon or the Houthis in Yemen. Administration officials—notably President Trump in his initial remarks regarding the war—have hinted that regime change is also among their goals, but have consistently excluded this message in recent days.
www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/assessing-us-progress-iran-war

So, making life better for Iranians is not in the list, as only a fully successful regime change will sort the issues they faced on their daily basis.

No you are correct that making life better for Iranians is not on the list apart from

the part that says Administration officials—notably President Trump in his initial remarks regarding the war—have hinted that regime change is also among their goals, but have consistently excluded this message in recent days.

The thing is - the US or Israel cannot bring about regime change, they have stressed many times that it has to come from within Iran. They are in the process of weakening the Iranian regime and that is all they can realistically do regarding helping Iranians to overthrow them.

Did anyone ever really believe the war was about making life better for Iranian civilians? Well if they did then that was pretty naive.

How can it be better with the IRGC in place?

My take on this, from day 1, is that Iran change of government can only happen from within, indeed.

But Eastern Standard was telling me something about me looking away at the suffering of Iranians, further upthread. And I was making the point that is those acting on this war who are, in the real world.
Talks on allowing ships through the strait of Hormuz or peace talks and negotiations do not equal ignoring the suffering caused. It equals doing your best to avoid further and present suffering, deaths and destruction.

If there were anyone ready to take the government if Iran, then there would be a point, but it does not look like so.

Not me, not. I had a bit of hope at some point at the very beginning. But it looked messy, unplanned and rushed... and it still looks exactly the same.
Bar for many further lives lost. And what for? The military targets have been hit.... but we still have the same ideology and hatred issue, only that it could be even worst.

I think it's pretty clear it never was. It's the helping "Iranian women" posts I find incredulous when Israel and the US were the only two countries to vote against a UN resolution on the Taliban denying women and girls their human rights. Bit hypocritical.

There’s no way the people can do this from within alone. They haven’t for decades.

The reason being the brutal oppression when they try. If anyone on here is arguing for the IRGC to go then the people will need help.

Many countries have raised against oppressing regimes before, through civil wars.

But, tge actual matter, changing the iranian way of government is not a priority in this war. For Trump and Netanyahu.

To me, this is the definition of crazy. But that is how they are playing it......

The Iranian people haven’t and can’t. I’m not sure where you’re thinking in particular but just saying others have done it doesn’t actually help them.

Trump says he is helping...

There were the same claims made about Trump’s action in Venezuela. Any questions regarding the US involvement led to claims that the poster didn’t care about women.
The same will be applied when the US takes action against Cuba.

Ok but can you see that the people alone can’t get rid of the IRGC?

What’s that got to do with believing or not believing whether Trump and Netanyahu were truly trying to make life better for Iranian civilians?

And change the record! You constantly ask the same question to everyone on various threads, even when it’s not relevant to what the poster has said!

I watch Trump on one of his meetings with big oil companies about Venezuela's production. This man televises everything!
They need 100-200 billion to refresh the infraestructure there. I am positive they are getting it from the current market drama. We pay extra for everything, they go "drill baby drill" in Venezuela.

So what? All these posts from you and others amd you can’t answer a basic question.

You could change your record.

How many times do we have to answer it?

You haven’t so far.

Not really..??!!...

It’s just deflection. You haven’t answered. Something about Trump and Netanyahu and how people can overthrow a brutal regime alone just because.

Nothing on what to do about a stronger Iran in a few years.

I forgot questions marks there!

Go on, tell me what you would do if you could? I am listening.