I need to say this out loud

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As a British citizen I am disgusted in the utter cowardice of my own government at the moment. If you are an American citizen please believe that there are people in the UK who have no respect for the way we are distancing ourselves from what is happening in the Middle East.
Your government has backbone and courage and wants to do the right thing for all our children’s futures.
I applaud Trump for standing up for his country, military, citizens of Iran…the world, and he doesn't care who he might offend in doing so.
It’s such a pity the same can’t be said for our ‘leader’. I am actually ashamed of my country at this moment in time. I truly hope this changes over the coming days/weeks.

The chances of bombing a place into a better life for its citizens is beyond remote. I wish that it was likely to mean that the people of Iran have a democratic government with a fair justice system and strong human rights but history teaches us that it's far more likely to lead to an even worse scenario. I'd love to be wrong.

Why the hell would you want us to go to war with a country thats done absolutely nothing to us? Do you think us bombing Iran along with America and Israel is going to help the Iranian people?

Israel have already killed a school full of children (their favourite hobby) you want us to help them bombing more innocent people? So Iran can come over and do the same as us.

Baffles me how anyone could want to go to war unless they have no idea what's actually happening here

Why should we get dragged into Israel's plan to take over the middle east.

@Superfoodie123 Israel has not bombed a girls school. The IRGC (Iranians) did!

Quite. And as for Islamic countries that gave women a fair deal - well, Iran did before the revolution.

This war may also weaken the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Personally I think Starmer is idiotic for hiding behind international law, then suddenly saying okay the US are using our air bases. And it’s not like international law is set in stone, so that states who break it (like Iran and Russia) get to do what they like while everyone else sits on their hands.

Who knows what the outcome will be, in general of course war should be avoided but I don’t think the US and Israel and their allies should necessarily have to wait until
the Iranian regime slaughters tens of thousands more civilians, nor until they have actually developed weapons to nuke Israel before taking action.

Starmer is right. There's no excuse for going to war under these circumstances. Make no mistake this could lead to WW3

OP has disappeared 😂

So what's the plan? Do you seriously think Trump will put US troops in Iran to help the Iranians "rise up"? Because they certainly can't do it themselves.

Trump has zero interest in helping the Iranians it's all about US interests.

How come Israel is getting the blame for this? As if we didnt know.

This is America's doing. Israel might be along for the ride but its Trump

Do these things really lead to positive regime change?

There was a discussion on the radio with Frank Gardner today who seemed to think not.

Oh do shut up OP.

Completely disagree. For once I agree with Starmer. I wish he'd had more backbone when dealing with Isreal.

A country that has done absolutely nothing to us?

Aside from a terrorist plot attack in London plus 20 other failed plots.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/07/iranians-arrested-in-counter-terrorism-raids-allegedly-targeted-israeli-embassy

A country that seized Royal Navy personnel and held them hostage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Iranian_arrest_of_Royal_Navy_personnel

A country that attacked the RAF Akrotiri base?

A country that continues to hold British citizens hostage?

https://news.sky.com/story/british-couples-10-year-iran-prison-sentence-left-them-in-panic-says-son-13503275

The trouble is that with decades of no serious conflicts and a diet of "be kind", too many people forget or deliberately ignore that there are countries out there that would wish real harm on the UK.

Starmer is not my favourite person to say the least but I agree with him on this. He is right not to just jump in and be America's puppet.

The PM of Spain is even more of a wanker than Starmer.

He's such a loser he's been in power ten years without ever having won an actual majority but makes deals with the hard left (all the weirdos, Trots, and Holocaust deniers) and the Catalan separatist party (which just screams national unity) so he can form a Government.

And Spain's elite are all virtue signaling antisemites anyway. At an awards ceremony last night (their version of the Baftas) it was completely about Palestine (who lets not forget are a MASSIVE part of the reason why its all come to a head with Iran at the moment - this current conflict started on Oct 7th), and not one word was uttered about the poor Iranians, despite the fact we've all seen body bags piled on top of body bags.

Whatever the Spanish government does, we should probably do the opposite. They are not exactly an example of principled leadership.

Ordinary Spanish people though: kind and decent (see the Eurovision televote results in 2024 and and 2025...Los doce puntos van para Israel").

Equally please don't believe everything Iran says. They said that they weren't shooting innocent protesters.

The reality is that you would rather believe and support the current Iranian regime if the alternative was agreeing with Trump's actions against Iran.

Yes because it was clearly such a good decision by Trump. Kill the Iranian leader with no fucking clue which (extremely trigger happy) extremist has replaced him.

From an Iranian woman...

Hmmm if he's replaced with another extremist then at least it's an extremist without much weaponry left.

And if he's more extreme and dangerous than the last one then there will be more countries willing to bomb the shit out of the regime.

Yes but the rule of law doesnt allow attack on them in this way. Someone on the radio today was arguing that the law allows for pre emptive action, which this could come under or if you like revenge action given the terrorism which has occured in the UK. But Iran as a nation, as a state has not waged war on us or formally attacked us, this means if we stick to the law, we cannot attack.

Says who?

Or the so called "grey zone" conflict which international laws on conflict never considered.

Anyway the grey zone didn't work out too well for Ukraine on the Crimea.

Ive often wondered how long the 'agreements' after WWII about the rules of law, human rights, war crimes etc would last for

Not even 100 years at this rate.

I suppose Trump is a bit like Napoleon.

It's a difficult one beacuse we haven't had a lot of success in the middle east it's been somewhat of a disaster for us.and trump wanting our help well Ukraine wanted help too and what did trump do cozy up to Putin and let more Ukrainians needlessly suffer and die.this is the only thing starmer has got right so far in my opinion.