Reproductive violence, this needs to stop

[GiantBranch]

“Israel’s war in Gaza has led to a 41% fall in births in the territory and high numbers of maternal deaths, miscarriages, newborn mortality and premature births, two reports on the impact of the conflict on pregnant women, babies and maternity care reveal.
Two reports by Physicians for Human Rights, in collaboration with the Global Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School, and Physicians for Human Rights–Israel (PHRI) document how the war has led to high figures for maternal and neonatal mortality and forced births in dangerous conditions and systematically dismantled health services – consequences of “a deliberate intention of preventing births among Palestinians, meeting the legal criteria of the genocide convention,” researchers said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/14/gaza-war-fall-in-births-reproductive-violence

Ridiculousness and derailment

Exactly the same could be said for almost any thread that expresses support for Iranians or expresses opinions about anything other than criticism of the Israel government or IDF.

Blaming Israel gets shoehorned into every discussion even when the Iranian people were being murdered by their own leadership so guess what? No one cares about your objection to widening the debate on Gaza from the simplistic dialogue of "Poor Palestinians/Evil Israel".

You accused overnight posters of having "motives".
Yes a particular motive for posting which is to derail the thread and in my opinion dehumanise Palestinians. Other posters including you decided that meant something else entirely. We all have a motive of some sort for posting.

In the past (not on this thread perhaps) pro Pals have accused pro Israel supporters of being paid to post a certain way.
That has absolutely nothing to do with me don't know who these posters are so it is not relevant to me or this thread but you chose to use this as a reason to accuse posters on this thread as being antisemitic.

People with a different opinion to you are allowed to express themselves - it's called opinions and not motives.
We all have a motive for posting here motive by definition is a reason for doing something it can be both positive or negative. No idea where you got the idea I had an issue with people expressing their views all of twisting posts going on.

What has the threads on Iran got to do with anything here, quit with the derails.

As I've said already on this thread I personally have no interest in visiting the threads on Iran on this site because I've no interest in discussing the issue with certain posters, but you have to shoehorn it in here.

"Poor Palestinians/Evil Israel"
Again twisting things to have a go at all posters that don't agree with your viewpoint in an attempt to discredit them.

You're taking it all too personally @Boolabus

I replied to Sharon Ellis not to you and you're building it up too much. The thread should have moved on by now from the question of what motives us.

I fail to see why you won't discuss Iran on here because of "certain posters" but will discuss Gaza with those same posters. Does that seem logical to you?

You're taking it all too personally
I always take accusations of antisemitism personally and respond rather then let stand unchallenged.

I fail to see why you won't discuss Iran on here because of "certain posters" but will discuss Gaza with those same posters. Does that seem logical to you?

Never said it was logical. It's my choice. I discuss Iran at length with Iranian colleagues unfortunately I can't do that with people from Gaza. I also don't see anybody defending the Iranian regime so I don't feel as compelled to get involved with the discussions on mumsnet*, I also don't particularly like engaging with certain posters because their views on certain things disgust me, there's plenty of threads on mumsnet I give a wide berth to for my own sanity as I'm sure you do too.

*And before you twist it I'm not suggesting the Israeli government is comparable to the Iranian regime.

But no one accused you of antisemitism so I don't know why you keep going on as though the comments were aimed at you. It has been explained that they were not.

There have been people defending the Iranian regime actually.

Why accuse me of twisting things? It's rather rude tbh.

Mumsnet HQ that is a completely unwarranted deletion, no poster was mentioned and a perfectly reasonable statement or do you disagree in Mumsnet HQ and think agreeing with withholding formula milk from malnourished infants is morally ok and not shocking

@GiantBranch I didn't see your post so maybe rephrase your sentiments and post again for the sensitive among us 🙄You can also email mn directly for an explanation as to why it was deleted. There is very little consistency though with what gets deleted and what is allowed to stand.

And apologies for my contribution to the derail I'll sit on my hands next time.

Not at all thanks @Boolabus , I’ll post in three parts and see which bits gets deleted honestly stumped?

Repost,menopause, so can’t guarantee verbatim but not any different

Jaw on floor at the complete lack of compassion by some posters and their inability to acknowledge that the withholding of formula milk and maternity units is objectively bad and unjustifiable

The end no names named?maybe said any morality?

Oh said “but can’t say I’m surprised by now” too

WTF

Mumsnet again that deletion is unjustified, no names mentioned , my opinion that the evidenced lack of morality or judgement undermines all previous statements from such posters (again unnamed)
please explain I do not understand and think it is fair comment in context

Yes, how odd. Calling out unkindness gets deleted - insidious inversion of the moral order.

Ftr I questioned motive in this post and I am still none the wiser. My motive for posting generally is to shine a light on the plight of Palestinian people, specifically here the blocking of aid to mothers and babies. Why anyone would post to deny it’s happening, denigrate the people who are living in a hellscape and attempt to derail any attempt to help them is a mystery to me.

There is no attempt to engage with the content, the multiple links and solid facts evidenced in news reports. Just the usual no one cares sneery comments, lols, weather reports to back up disgusting claims that families just failed to keep their baby warm. Why was this not deleted?

What is really unpleasant is the way that this lack of care or compassion towards any Palestinian issue is extended to personal hostility towards anyone who actually does show concern. It’s as if some people cannot bear to be reminded that many care about the people in Palestine. It appears to make make them angry. Could that be the motivation?

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/year-review-about-8-million-babies-born-conflicts-and-climate-disasters-2025

8 million babies born into conflict climate disaster in 2025. That is 4 times the population of Gaza. Around 40 000 babies were born in Gaza during this time i.e .0.5% of the total. So where is the compassion for the infants in the Congo or Yemen.....Maybe people don't want to highlight these deaths because they don't involve Israel?

maybe you could start a thread of your own? rather than engaging in whataboutery? where is your thread of outrage about Congo? Prefer just to come on here and distract and deflect? Thought so.

Not deflection....just showing how people are using a singular conflict to promote a narrative when neonatal problems abound in this world. Even when Gaza gets rebuilt I am sure there will be those looking at their health record to try and blame Israel.....

Like I said, if you are so concerned about those issues, where is your thread?

Can you link to it? Otherwise, it reveals your motivation for your post: deflection, whataboutery, distraction from the original post.

It's disturbing and clear as day what you're trying to do.