Healthcare workers still detained in Israeli prisons

[Everexpanding]

While some were released in the ceasefire, Israel still holds 80 Palestinian medical workers without charge. Their families are demanding their freedom.

https://www.972mag.com/gazan-doctors-israeli-prisons/

I wouldn’t believe the BBC or guardian. I go by what my contacts in Gaza tell me who I work with on the basis of trust and what I have witnessed myself from this kind, selfless man. I certainly don’t believe anything that comes out of the odd/governments mouths. They have been proven time and time again to lie.

What outlandish claims?

Do you personally know the Colonel?

Think it’s completely irrelevant 240 terrorists and were captured hiding in his hospital together with arms and munitions?

He was the Director of the hospital btw.

Maybe they weren’t terrorists either and the munitions were just toys collected for the children?

After all we all know Israel are total liars and there aren’t any terrorists in Gaza. Just ‘poor, innocent, oppressed’ civilians and Oct 7th was nowt but a little blip when a few went too far. Right?

Do your contacts in Gaza tell you that Hamas are kind and selfless too?

Can you direct me to any propaganda on their website? Challenging propaganda is not the same as creating it. How is that so hard to understand?

How many Palestinian propaganda sites are there funded by Qatar and Iran?

So if its just alleged and they have no proof then he should be set free

That’s not the point here though is it? They are a Pro-Israeli pressure group whose job it is to paint Israel in the best possible light regardless of whether it’s true or not.

Do you believe the earth is flat as well?

I would believe the BBC over what random people on the internet say, and tbh I don't recognise your username & have no reason to believe someone that claims to have contacts in Gaza and to have witnessed things in person from this "kind, selfless man".

I agree with @dairydebris that in reality, the vast majority of us on MN have no way of knowing whether this man is a Hamas colonel or an innocent doctor. We just don't know but what we suspect will be influenced by the pre existing bias we already have whether that's pro Israel or pro Palestine.

Would you believe the world health organisation @Twiglets1 they have called for his release

Amnesty ? They have called for his release
https://www.amnesty.ie/free-dr-hussam-abu-safiya/

Euromed Human Rights monitor
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6587/Dr.-Hussam-Abu-Safiya%27s-life-in-danger-due-to-torture:-Immediate-international-intervention-needed-for-his-release

Do you agree with people being held without charge and beaten and tortured? If not why are you on here justifying his treatment??

@Everexpanding Israel detained him because they suspect him of involvement with Hamas at a high level. I don't know whether he is innocent of guilty of being involved with Hamas, but I assume they have information I don't have. This information may or may not be consistent with keeping him imprisoned, how can I possibly say without being privy to the details?

I don't automatically believe the organisations you have listed, no. There has been too much misinformation and propaganda in this war to automatically believe any source now, and yes that does include the IDF & Israel government.

My personal opinion is that he should have been charged by now if Israel are going to continue holding him in prison and of course I don't agree with any prisoners being beaten or tortured.

Exactly no one should be tortured and detained without trial so why are smears against the doctor from extraordinarily biased sources such as “honest reporting being spread on this site?
and why are people being told they hate Israel for raising legitimate concerns about the Drs detention?

I believe the nhs is missing a trick by not hiring Gazan medics who per Israel have super human time management abilities,head of a hospital in a war zone, consultant and somehow Hamas colonel 🙄 it’s bullshit

Honest Reporting are honest about what they do, HonestReporting analyzes stories, articles, opinion pieces and images that appear in the media’s coverage of Israel, exposing and responding to inaccuracies or bias.

Ynet is a media source that is ranked High for factual reporting and also rated as having High credibility by the Media bias fact check website. They have reported that Dr Hussam Abu Safiya holds the rank of colonel in Hamas:

Open-source evidence confirms that Abu Safiya holds the rank of colonel in Hamas. According to a statement released by the IDF on Saturday, he was arrested on suspicion of terrorism. The IDF also asserts that Kamal Adwan Hospital was being used as a command and control center by Hamas.

www.ynetnews.com/article/hkcngjqljl

I mean youre being told you dislike Israel because you repeatedly post threads about the atrocities commited by them and you seem quite frankly obsessed by how awful they are. Anyone could make the same repeated posts about for example the UK ( Windrush, Farage and the flag shaggers, UK war crimes in Iraq etc ) or maybe Russia ( Mariupol, the 21 Roses torture, children being taken from Ukraine into Russia etc ) but yet you constantly chose to focus on one nation above all others. Your dislike is a very logical conclusion to come to.

As for everything else, well would you rather no one commented on your threads? I suspect you'd be disappointed.

The truth is you and I and everyone else on here dont know if he's innocent or not. Everyone posts links to various websites, with various levels of bias and fact checking. The difference is some of us can admit we dont know- theres a lot of propaganda about from both sides.

You dont know. You think- based on your pre existing prejudice. You cant honestly believe youre not biased like all the rest of us?

It is perfectly legal under international law to detain or intern security threats and/or combatants in an armed conflict for the duration of the armed conflict.

Honest Reporting has not smeared Safiya. They have responded to inaccuracies and important omissions in information reported in the media. The allegations that the Kamal Adwan Hospital is a military hospital came from the IDF (who are obviously biased) and were confirmed by the at that time Hospital Director, Ahmad Kahalot, the year before. Funnily enough, he looks in good health and doesn’t look to have been abused during his interrogation in which he is giving up intel quite freely.

Do you have concerns about Kahalot’s detention?

https://www.gov.il/en/pages/hamas-turns-gaza-hospitals-into-military-facilities-19-dec-2023

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/12/20/hamas-member-admits-it-uses-hospital-as-command-center/

@Everexpandingits not just Israel’s detention of the dr though is it? It’s a constant stream of what you view Israel of doing wrong. It’s obsessive.

@TooTightDiamondShoesDoingMyHeadIn as they did in Guantanamo post 9/11?

I mean we could say Israeli hostages held in Gaza Part V is obsessive, but we don’t, because it would be massively disrespectful. What’s good for the goose….

And what do say “but hamassing” every Palestinian death is? I wish I had never come to understand that there are mothers who think the killing of 20,000 children is acceptable and that if you object to it you are an anti semite who is just being mean to Israel, Who think that torture and illegal detention is acceptable because “but Hamas.

Well you just did say it and yes your comment does come across as disrespectful to the posters who have kept those threads going since 7/10/23 to never forget the hostages that were taken and the struggle to get them home.

Because the threads about the Israeli hostages held in Gaza are quiet and respectful. They are purely factual and express no controversial or inflammatory opinions about those who kidnapped or in some cases killed them.

I think that if you actually thought deeply @Twiglets1 you might realise that the veneration shown for the dead bodies of Israelis on that threat in contrast with the dismissal of dead Palestinians as collateral damage which is exhibited on this board is actually deeply offensive

I think if you find people showing support for the hostages and their families deeply offensive then its probably about time you took a break.

I won't be dragged into further discussion on that particular thread that is completely peaceful and respectful in nature.

@dairydebris do you realise if a similar thread was started just for Palestinian children, and if one body was given a proper burial each day it would run for 54 years, that is offensive

Or possibly a counter to the celebrations of dead jews Israelis that we saw on our streets from the moment we heard about 7/10.
I've never seen celebrations of dead Palestinians in the UK, certainly not marches dedicated to it. Dehumanisation indeed.