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Conflict in the Middle East

When will it be time for the BBC news to take down the 'war on gaza' tab?

164 replies

mids2019 · 25/11/2025 07:19

The peace fire seems on the whole to be holding and therefore there is limited news from this region so why don't the BBC pull any articles on the middle east into the main site of at least into a middle East section?

There are many conflicts around the world that (Sudan, Somalia etc) that deserve attention yet still the BBC have a whole section up for war ended by a ceasefire? It has been shown there was bias within the BBC which is currently suffering a lot of aspirational damage so surely it could help itself by having equal coverage of conflicts around the world apart from focussing one that involves Israelis and Jews? Anti semitism has been well documented in this country and I think one way to reduce e it is to look at areas where there is an over focus on one particular conflict showing an anti Israel agenda.

The Guardian have stopped their exclusive sub heading so why can't the BBC follow?

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Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 09:14

dairydebris · 01/12/2025 08:31

Was the Geneva Convention adhered to during-

The Russian Invasion of Ukraine?
The Burmese / Rohingya conflict?
The war on Isis? The invasion of Iraq?
Rwanda?
Bosnia / Srebrenica / Kosovo?
Sudan?
Yemen?

In fact, can you name me a single conflict since 1977 where the Geneva Convention was adhered to?

Ideally every conflict would follow these guidelines but thats not the species we are. Its the species we wish we are. Its the species we aim to be.

Making out this conflict is uniquely awful because Israel is uniquely awful is not factual and is veering into antisemitism.

No @dairydebris I have never said that there were not breaches of the Geneva Convention in other conflicts. However for example if we take the current conflict in Ukraine Russia has rightfully been denounced for its breaches, subjected to sanctions etc, I agree with this. It does not make me antisemitic if I feel that Israel should be subject to similar sanctions for breaches of the Geneva Convention and war crimes

SameOldHill · 01/12/2025 09:24

I would just like to see people deeply questioning WHY their own unique, emotional focus on this one conflict, when in fact there is nothing unique about what humans are doing to each other here.

Do you think the ONLY reason people in the UK are more invested in this conflict is down to anti-semitism?

dairydebris · 01/12/2025 09:42

SameOldHill · 01/12/2025 09:24

I would just like to see people deeply questioning WHY their own unique, emotional focus on this one conflict, when in fact there is nothing unique about what humans are doing to each other here.

Do you think the ONLY reason people in the UK are more invested in this conflict is down to anti-semitism?

No, I think theres lots of reasons which I've spoken about a lot on here, personal links to either side, interest in the history of the region, white colonial guilt, sheer exposure to repeated stories and images. I do think some of the interest is down to antisemitism but weirdly no one ever admits to this. Its always someone else who's the racist.

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 09:46

I would like people to deeply question why they feel Israel should uniquely be allowed to carry out war crimes without scrutiny or sanction?
Is their lack of care for Palestinians based in anti Muslim bias?

dairydebris · 01/12/2025 10:09

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 09:46

I would like people to deeply question why they feel Israel should uniquely be allowed to carry out war crimes without scrutiny or sanction?
Is their lack of care for Palestinians based in anti Muslim bias?

Of course Israel shouldn't be treated any different to any other nation. Because they are not different to any other nation unless you're a racist.

But its disingenuous to suggest they are carrying out this war without scrutiny or sanction. A few members of the Knesset have been sanctioned. BN has an arrest warrant out against him from the ICC. Some nations have paused or restricted some arms sales. There's unprecedented media scrutiny ( the point of this thread ) and a case has been bought to the ICJ by South Africa accusing Israel of genocide. Theres plenty of scrutiny and sanction.

There hasn't been any military intervention to stop Israel- is that what you'd like to see happen?

SharonEllis · 01/12/2025 10:39

dairydebris · 01/12/2025 08:46

I agree, although personally I'm ok with the tab. People are clearly very interested in this particular conflict. I would just like to see people deeply questioning WHY their own unique, emotional focus on this one conflict, when in fact there is nothing unique about what humans are doing to each other here.

It was asking myself this question about 20 years ago that was the turning point for me. Once you answer it objectively an awful lot falls into place

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 10:40

No I do not wish to see military intervention, I simply wish for Israel to stop killing innocent civilians, and refrain from any further breaches of International Law. I would also like the sanctions placed on ICJ judges lifted and also those on UN rapporteurs as they should not be hindered in their work. I would like the Red Cross to have access to all prisoners as it should under the Geneva Convention.

not a lot to ask and would ask it of any nation

SharonEllis · 01/12/2025 10:41

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 09:46

I would like people to deeply question why they feel Israel should uniquely be allowed to carry out war crimes without scrutiny or sanction?
Is their lack of care for Palestinians based in anti Muslim bias?

I don't think many people think that in the world or here. Certainly none of the regular MN posters.

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 10:47

But @SharonEllis why are people continually excusing Israel then? Or accusing people of anti semitism if they do raise criticism?

SharonEllis · 01/12/2025 10:58

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 10:47

But @SharonEllis why are people continually excusing Israel then? Or accusing people of anti semitism if they do raise criticism?

They only accuse people of antisemitism when the criticism of or focus on Israel is antisemitic. . Its really not complicated. I do recommend spending some time understanding the livingstone formulation and other writers explain ing this. Try David Rich and David Hirsh for easy explainers.

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 11:15

But that does not explain the selective blindness of posters to Israel’s crimes?

dairydebris · 01/12/2025 11:58

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 11:15

But that does not explain the selective blindness of posters to Israel’s crimes?

We could ask you the same of Hamas crimes though couldnt we?
The truth is you see Hamas' crimes within a wider context and you fit that into your narrative.
I see Israel's crimes and fit it into my wider narrative.
We'd all like no crimes to happen in the first place. But that isnt the world we live in, and it isnt the species that we are.

Israelis, Palestinians, British, American, Sudanese etc. We all commit atrocities. Some of us of all races are violent criminals.
Some of us on here wonder about the constant focus on one set of atrocities.
Its your right to focus on one set, and its our right to question why that intense focus on one set.

Thats what the thread is about.

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 12:24

No we don’t all commit atrocities nor do we have to, nor is there ever an excuse to, the focus of this thread is Gaza/Israel so comments here relate to that, it is a presumption that posters do not care about other violations of International Law. Israel’s breaches are long running and both historic and current and have been enabled by Western governments so naturally concern their citizens, no anti semitism is required to care

dairydebris · 01/12/2025 12:33

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 12:24

No we don’t all commit atrocities nor do we have to, nor is there ever an excuse to, the focus of this thread is Gaza/Israel so comments here relate to that, it is a presumption that posters do not care about other violations of International Law. Israel’s breaches are long running and both historic and current and have been enabled by Western governments so naturally concern their citizens, no anti semitism is required to care

Ok. So you tell me the war where no atrocities were commited then? Like I asked before, where the GC was adhered to.

Which war / conflict?

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 13:35

See previous post no one is claiming this

StrikeForever · 01/12/2025 13:39

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 10:47

But @SharonEllis why are people continually excusing Israel then? Or accusing people of anti semitism if they do raise criticism?

I assume it’s because they think the genocide in Gaza is perfectly acceptable. For many people, the holocaust means that Israel can do no wrong and anyone who disagrees with this is antisemitic.

Everexpanding · 01/12/2025 13:48

Nor do other states actions reduce Israel’s culpability for it’s own

SameOldHill · 01/12/2025 16:22

One of the reasons lots of people in the UK are so invested in Israel/Palestine is because they were brought up in the aftermath of the holocaust.
Lots of us were taught at school and lots of us read the books, Anne Frank’s Diary, I am David, etc.
Lots of us saw the post-war creation of Israel as a positive thing.
So we feel closer to this conflict. That’s nothing to do with antisemitism. If anything it’s the opposite.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 01/12/2025 17:43

SameOldHill · 01/12/2025 16:22

One of the reasons lots of people in the UK are so invested in Israel/Palestine is because they were brought up in the aftermath of the holocaust.
Lots of us were taught at school and lots of us read the books, Anne Frank’s Diary, I am David, etc.
Lots of us saw the post-war creation of Israel as a positive thing.
So we feel closer to this conflict. That’s nothing to do with antisemitism. If anything it’s the opposite.

So how did so many forget the Holocaust and fail to understand the survival instinct of a people that merely want to stay alive and live in their internationally created and recognised state as a Jewish homeland and refuge after the worst atrocity ever?

SpiritAdder · 01/12/2025 18:04

The ceasefire is really a reducefire as Palestinian civilians are still being killed by the dozen on the daily in Gaza.

Also, if you want to read about the Sudan or Somalia there is a BBC tab for Africa- they’re front page on that tab.

SpiritAdder · 01/12/2025 18:13

dairydebris · 01/12/2025 11:58

We could ask you the same of Hamas crimes though couldnt we?
The truth is you see Hamas' crimes within a wider context and you fit that into your narrative.
I see Israel's crimes and fit it into my wider narrative.
We'd all like no crimes to happen in the first place. But that isnt the world we live in, and it isnt the species that we are.

Israelis, Palestinians, British, American, Sudanese etc. We all commit atrocities. Some of us of all races are violent criminals.
Some of us on here wonder about the constant focus on one set of atrocities.
Its your right to focus on one set, and its our right to question why that intense focus on one set.

Thats what the thread is about.

Yes, why do you focus only on Gaza? I’d be really interested in why you only focus on it and think that everyone else only focuses on it. After all, implying there’s no news about other conflicts, except Ukraine, hints that you’re not looking for or reading the news that is out there about these other conflicts. The BBC and other news sites have convenient global region tabs. You can read about Venezuelan boats being bombed, about ICE accidentally deporting US citizens, about Russian oil tankers being blown up, about protests to change Japanese inheritance law so their princess can be the heir to the emperor, about the starvation and massacres in the thousands happening daily in the Sudan, about the civil unrest in Hungary, about the Taliban’s public executions in stadiums of “adulterous women”, about the cover ups of war crimes done by the SAS, about Israeli attacks on Syrian villages and bombings of Lebanon, about the Hong Kong high rise fire with hundreds dead and missing…

The news is there and being reported. The fact you’re not reading it doesn’t mean everyone eise is only focused on whatever you are focussed on.

StrikeForever · 01/12/2025 18:13

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 01/12/2025 17:43

So how did so many forget the Holocaust and fail to understand the survival instinct of a people that merely want to stay alive and live in their internationally created and recognised state as a Jewish homeland and refuge after the worst atrocity ever?

No one has forgotten the holocaust, we just don’t accept that excuses Israel and abusive Israelis (settlers, those participating and/or cheering on genocide) from illegal killing.

KeepYaHeadUp · 01/12/2025 18:19

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 01/12/2025 17:43

So how did so many forget the Holocaust and fail to understand the survival instinct of a people that merely want to stay alive and live in their internationally created and recognised state as a Jewish homeland and refuge after the worst atrocity ever?

This is a grim and insulting thing to say

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 01/12/2025 18:20

KeepYaHeadUp · 01/12/2025 18:19

This is a grim and insulting thing to say

No. It’s just embarrassing and shameful for the antisemites.