Reconstruction of Gaza - realistic?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj41y42qxq8o

I think the problem with the below is the mammoth coast and the problem of who pays. To build a city of the size of Birmingham from scratch including public infrastructure to a sufficient standard using non slave Labour is going to be astronomical. Who pays? All the Arab states (although some with concentrated extreme wealth) have their own domestic pressures without stumping up hundreds of billions to produce a new sixth state. There could be international loans but that would bring into question Gazan public debt and how loans could be repaid.

There is also the thorny question about how Gazans go about establishing legal ownership of land or whether they need to buy it again. It seems like a conveyincing nightmare. One solution would be to build identical properties and allocate them the to the populace as a whole but would Gazans want this form of communism in terms of property? If you do have a housing market how do establish a realistic economy to support it?

International aid is extremely stressed and certainly as a UK tax payer I would hope we wouldn't get to involved and as Gazan reconstruction is talked about we should be conscious of the levels of poverty in other regions of the world.

Thank you for being a voice of reason. There is only one reason why people typify Israel as 'child killers' and never other countries.

Then agree the right to return. Sure it’s not that difficult. Sending 2 planes of people with no stamps, no paperwork and no belongings seems extremely dodgy to me.

Nearly half of children in Afghanistan are stunted by malnutrition say UN with high levels of deaths also. When did you last see a protest against the Taliban with people carrying posters labelling them 'child killers'? www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwydgj4pg9jo.amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17635745462975&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

Oh you're talking about the plane! Why didn't you say that, we're not mind-readers. The plane is a mystery that I don't think has been solved yet.

It's definitely dodgy but we don't exactly how or why it happened or how many people are responsible.

Well not solved yet. Lots in the press about it though if you look closely enough, and although people might have paid to leave out of desperation, it’s looking increasingly likely that this is yet another case of displacement. Even you surely agree that those who leave should have the right to return. Not worked out to well in the past though has it?

Yes of course they should have the right of return. We dont know if they do or they dont.

Can you answer my question? Would you prefer they stay despite the fact they wanted to, and paid to leave?

Because that sounds an awful lot like stripping someone of their right to self determination to make your political point.... you definitely wouldn't want that I assume?

As I said, they paid to leave, they are desperate. Not being given a stamp in their passport and being told to leave their belongings was Israel’s choice. It will be Israel’s choice as to whether these people will be allowed to return. Let’s hope they make the right one.

As I thought, cant answer the question 🙄
Hope you find the time to think it through anyway.

I have thanks! At least I wasn’t as callous enough to suggest the next plane might go to Rwanda. Or was that a very poor attempt at humour?

No, it was an attempt to show our country too has questionable policies on immigration. Sorry if it went over your head, I'll be more explicit next time.

Ill also point out to you as you seem to be struggling... my suggestion didn't mean I think people should be forcibly deported to Rwanda. And I dont think people should be forcibly deported from Gaza.

I do think it would be inhumane to force people who wish to leave to stay in order to make a political point.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

What do you mean even you surely agree that those who leave should have the right to return?

I've never suggested any Gazan shouldn't have the right to return.

No Israels policies are hateful and racist, Israel is an illegal occupier. Come on, you post endlessly in defence of Israel, you know that is isn't the settlers, and that their behaviour doesn't happen in a vacuum it is supported by the state. The racial segregation isn't settlers. I have no idea actually why you would think I was talking about settlers?!

Do you support any of the other countries that you have just listed out or is it just Israel with their racist segregation and illegal occupation that speaks to you?

I’m not English. I don’t live in England. Sorry I am not au fait with English policies on immigration. Didn’t know it was a requirement for mumsnet. Obviously is if you don’t want to be patronised.

I'm surprised to hear that given your username. Is it not a reference to Farage?

When did you last see people posting compulsively in support of them, when did you last see the British government shaking the talibans hand and saying that they hope they win, when did you last see the British government denying that they are committing crimes and selling them arms helping out the child killing?

What exactly is it that you think a protest against the talibans would do Sharon when the UK Government does not recognise the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan and does not have formal diplomatic relations with the country?

Can you honestly see no difference between the two situations?

Thought it was a song. Maybe I got that wrong too.

I was right:

The title, "things are looking up for Nigel," is ironic because it's sung from the perspective of his parents, who are projecting their plans onto him. The song's actual success and impact on the band suggest that Nigel's future, in a way, is looking up, just not in the way his parents planned.

Ahhhhhh! Well I confess I might have made some assumptions about your political leanings then... I assumed you were anti reform and wanted to draw attention to the state of the country that things are looking up for that twat. Which I would agree with. I stand corrected. I dont know the song btw.

Best not to assume eh?

The song is Making Plans for Nigel.

There aee lots of things political pressure on the government could bring. Concerted international efforts to destroy the Taliban would be good, no? Unless its not really killing children that concerns you but who you perceive is killing the children.

Political pressure on the Sudan conflict might well have resulted in the UK not cutting its aid budget for women and children displaced ( and raped ) as a part of the ongoing war there.

Its a shame we all haven't done more about that.

I agree. Its a desperate failure of the international community.

Interestingly Israel is currently active in Sudan providing aid.

Do European governments fund, supply arms to and trade extensively with the Taliban? Are people in Western countries who criticise the Taliban regime routinely silenced?