Why would would you still have pro Palestinian marches apart from now instilling more fear into the Jewish community

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Now we have what looks like a peace to be celebrated why are people still going to march for Palestine? The genocide has stopped in their opinion so shouldn't they be at least joyful or if that is not the case what do they really want? Do they want to keep marching until the Israeli state is no more?

Well said

The issue in the West Bank and bombing Christian churches in Jerusalem could easily trigger an increase in hostilities again. A need to fight back

The situation is still on a knife edge and according to recent interviews will be unless Palestinians have a recognised state.

I don’t think demonstrations will continue and become part of our lives forever because I believe there can be peace. Until that happens I expect people to have enough empathy to demonstrate and push for it.

I really dont think that bothers some of the supposed 'pro pal' individuals. If it dud they'd be calling for international peace keeping force to prevent that in Gaza.

Hamas stated they are now keeping sone bodies of hostages 'in case' .... also accuse Israel of breaking ceasefire since some Palestinians who approached soldiers near the approved line were shot. Israel said don't approach soldiers on the current approved 'line', they are naturally wary of potential terrorists, why were those Palestinians wanting to approach soldiers who are gradually going to give back under defined terms.

Some dont want this peace to work obviously.

Israel funded Hamas, Israel are now funding militia loyal to Yasser Abu Shabab, a criminal with links to ISIS. It is all a vicious circle - and then Israel use the waring factions they funded to justify oppressing the Palestinians- one would almost think it was deliberate. One might also assume Israel don’t want a united Palestine with a legitimate government!

Indeed.

Hopefully this will extend to such passion and protest for the rights of those living under oppression and extreme regimes in other countries too - such as Iran.

Instead of telling people not to complain about the Palestinian situation why not pressurise the Israeli government to act more decently to avoid making Jewish people the target of hate ?

after all that government is targeting hate and murder on innocents because of the actions of Hamas - apply the same logic to Israel. That government is clearly happy that Jewish people get targeted as a result of their actions

( please no body target Jewish people with hate just because they are Jews . Hate never helps . Peace and love.)

Re deceaseds hostages.
Your comment is not proved
Hamas have not refused to release the dead hostages

This from the BBC

“ Hamas has said it could take time because not all the hostages' burial sites are known.
But Israel's defence minister has warned the Palestinian armed group that "any delay or deliberate avoidance will be considered a gross violation of the agreement and will be responded to accordingly".

in The original ceasefire deal Israel agreed to release 20 Palestinians bodies that they held for every Israeli one.

Of note we have heard nothing yet regarding when or how that will happen or how many dead Palestinians they actually have or why none have been returned yet.
There is no news on who these people are as no names have been released by Israel

Just hoping both sides comply with the ceasefire arrangements

It’s a hobby for some of them. They wouldn’t know what to do with the spare time if they weren’t waving a flag and disrupting road users.

Of course there will still be protests there is still no Palestinian state ?

And it’s hardly all rosy in Gaza or the West Bank. What about the Israeli militia who killed a Palestinian journalist this week ? What about the aggressive Israeli settlers illegally occupying parts of the West Bank.

and we have a ceasefire - but not yet peace.

Yes, Hamas are awful people but it is not really an easy task to locate bodies in a place where 92% of homes were destroyed.

I saw an awful newsreel of different Palestinians searching for bodies in the rubble - people that are known to be dead but not part of the overall death toll figures as they have never been recovered.

There were heartbreaking ones of people trying to recover relatives but the one that stuck the most was a child of about 8 picking up stones and digging in rubble because he wanted his grandparents back - he didn’t know what he was doing and had no chance of success. Israel haven’t allowed machinery in to try and remove rubble and find the dead - with machinery they estimate it will still take 6 months to recover the bodies. It is almost like it is not in their best interest to see how many bodies are in the ruins. Some of these people may never be part of the official death toll, one man tried to take his parents to a grave yard but there was no room so he buried them himself.

There is a study/ report by various Academic Institutions that estimate a 40% uplift on Palestinians killed in this war

From an article in The Guardian dated Jan2025

”Gaza death toll 40% higher than official number, Lancet study finds
This article is more than 8 months old
Analysis estimates death toll by end of June was 64,260, with 59% being women, children and people over 65

Guardian staff and agencies
Fri 10 Jan 2025 18.47 GMT
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Research published in the Lancet medical journal estimates that the death toll in Gaza during the first nine months of the Israel-Hamas war was about 40% higher than numbers recorded by the Palestinian territory’s health ministry.
The peer-reviewed statistical analysis was conducted by academics at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, Yale University and other institutions, using a statistical method called capture-recapture analysis.”

I really don’t see that Israel should have any authority over whether machinery should be allowed in or not
It should have nothing to do with them.
Another reason why this will be a long hard road to peace and recovery

No the Israeli government is not responsible for acts of hatred by racists here or anywhere else, such as the murders in Manchester.

Your post is confused and nonsensical & the happy clappy bit at the end doesn't excuse the excuses for antisemitism in the first 2 paragraphs. When Hamas, the government of Gaza attacked Israel it was an act of war. The two situations are completely different.

Unrecovered bodies are included in the death toll.

Yes, figures from the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza include bodies that have not been recovered
. This practice contributes to the complexity and controversy surrounding casualty reporting during the conflict.
Key points about the casualty counts:

• Unrecovered bodies included: According to officials from the Gaza Health Ministry, their tally includes an unknown number of people reported as dead by relatives, even though their bodies were never recovered or registered at a hospital. This is often due to the large number of people buried under rubble from airstrikes.
• Unidentified bodies included: Bodies that are unidentifiable due to injury or lack of relatives are assigned a number and included in the overall count. In some cases, personal effects like watches or ID cards are used for identification in the absence of DNA testing.
• Challenges in verification: The United Nations and other international bodies have acknowledged that they cannot independently verify the numbers provided by the Hamas-run agencies. Independent researchers have also documented inconsistencies and possible overcounting in the Hamas-controlled data. For instance, a March 2025 casualty list reportedly dropped thousands of previously "identified" deaths without explanation.
• Contradictory data: The practice of including unrecovered bodies can lead to varying figures reported by different Hamas-run agencies. In one example, the Hamas Government Media Office and the Ministry of Health reported different breakdowns of fatalities.
• Reliability debates: The use of figures that include unrecovered and unverified bodies has led to questions about the true scale of the casualty count. While some studies have suggested that the Ministry of Health data follows patterns similar to UN reports, others have raised doubts about the methodology, the inclusion of combatants, and possible inflation of figures.

That was very easy info to find with a simple Google.

How are they estimating those figures?

Are they basing them on the presumption that areas targeted for bombing would NOT have been evacuated, as they wouldn’t be in any other war, but they were in this particular one?

It’s a method called Capture recapture method used for studies like this.

In Manchester they are clear what they are marching for: The destruction of Isreal and murder of jews. They openly chant and say this. They are a group gathered by hatred.

Here’s one of their studies and how the Capture Recapture model works @TicklishMauveSquid

Traumatic injury mortality in the Gaza Strip from Oct 7, 2023, to June 30, 2024: a capture–recapture analysis
Zeina Jamaluddine, PhDa,b [email protected] ∙ Hanan Abukmail, MDa,c ∙ Sarah Aly, DOa,d ∙ Prof Oona M R Campbell, PhDa ∙ Prof Francesco Checchi, PhDa
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Summary
Background

Accurate mortality estimates help quantify and memorialise the impact of war. We used multiple data sources to estimate deaths due to traumatic injury in the Gaza Strip between Oct 7, 2023, and June 30, 2024.

Methods
We used a three-list capture–recapture analysis using data from Palestinian Ministry of Health (MoH) hospital lists, an MoH online survey, and social media obituaries.
After imputing missing values, we fitted alternative generalised linear models to the three lists' overlap structure, with each model representing different possible dependencies among lists and including covariates predictive of the probability of being listed; we averaged the models to estimate the true number of deaths in the analysis period (Oct 7, 2023, to June 30, 2024).

Resulting annualised age-specific and sex-specific mortality rates were compared with mortality in 2022.

Findings
We estimated 64 260 deaths (95% CI tel:55%E2%80%89298%E2%80%9378%E2%80%89525 55 298–78 525) due to traumatic injury during the study period, suggesting the Palestinian MoH under-reported mortality by 41%.

The annualised crude death rate was 39·3 per 1000 people (95% CI 35·7–49·4), representing a rate ratio of 14·0 (95% CI 12·8–17·6) compared with all-cause mortality in 2022, even when ignoring non-injury excess mortality.

Women, children (aged <18 years), and older people (aged ≥65 years) accounted for 16 699 (59·1%) of the 28 257 deaths for which age and sex data were available.

Interpretation
Our findings show an exceptionally high mortality rate in the Gaza Strip during the period studied. These results underscore the urgent need for interventions to prevent further loss of life and illuminate important patterns in the conduct of the war.

I do not understand how this is allowed.

Man who chanted 'put the Zios in the ground' is Oxford student https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15190599/Man-chanted-Zios-ground-pro-Palestine-protest-Balliol-College-Oxford-student.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Hate indeed.
An Oxford student. How vile.

I don't think young Sam Williams is helping the cause of peace.

if @defrazzled has proof
that the marches in Manchester are for

• the destruction of Israel and
• the murder of Jews

I’ll be very shocked too.

Indeed. Although I'm very shocked at that young man from Oxford University (see my link).

The march at my workplace today was themed around globalising the intifada but the ask (the one they admit to anyway) is that the university divests from companies with connections to Israel. So if they just took away the rabid antisemitism it would be a pretty focussed ask. Unfortunately it’s 75% river and sea chants by unsettling masked antisemites so hard for anyone to focus properly.

This.