Why would would you still have pro Palestinian marches apart from now instilling more fear into the Jewish community

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Now we have what looks like a peace to be celebrated why are people still going to march for Palestine? The genocide has stopped in their opinion so shouldn't they be at least joyful or if that is not the case what do they really want? Do they want to keep marching until the Israeli state is no more?

For a two state solution, Palestine is not “free” until they officially have their own sovereign state, free from Israeli control, interference, and threat.
Many people here care about the Palestinian population and want to see all of the above, and they know that none of that will automatically happen. It’s important to keep the pressure up.

I think it important to remember that the issues many ‘Pro Palestinians’ have with Israel go back way before this wave of conflict and the atrocities on 7/10. It is so much more than the violence of the last three years: the dynamic between Israel and Gaza/WB (which is where Palestinian people live so both relevant) has been an issue for decades. To believe that all that was needed was an end to the bombing/fighting totally ignores the actual issues with Gaza/WB and Israel and the conditions which meant Hamas could gain power and support.

Personally, I think the Palestinian cause should be kept in the spotlight until many more of the conditions for peace are met. It is such early days, there are still people in desperate need of help, Gaza’s medical infrastructure has been flattened, its children have been traumatised, the risk of radicalisation is huge amongst the general population who have lost everything. Not having bombs dropped on you is obviously a good thing (even if the people who did it are all smiling and celebrating a few miles away), but the people of Gaza and West Bank should be treated as equal to the rest of us. Serious work/investment is needed if we don’t want this all to happen again in 2/5/10 years time. Hamas didn’t appear in a vacuum and if you want to believe that Israel played no part in their ‘success’, you have decided to rewrite history to fit your agenda.

If this post is frustrating to you, it may be worth remembering that going back to the set up pre-7/10 is not a win for Israel. Why on earth would we want to replicate the conditions that lead to that atrocity? Hamas are still a threat to innocent Israelis and much work needs to be done to break the cycle of radicalisation. I’m not even sure how successful it can be with BN and his right wing buddies in office, but that’s a separate point.

The pressure needs to be kept on Israel so that both sides ‘win’ long term from this ‘peace’ (the two sides now being Palestinian civilians and israel). Hamas needed to go but the Palestinian people also need to be treated way better if the aim is to protect Israel citizens. Once Palestinians have access to proper homes, hospitals and education and live autonomous lives under their own government, then we can debate why people are still marching. And, of course, when the state funded terrorism in the WB ends too.

So, as I said, if you are questioning why the marches are still happening, you need to go and look at the situation in Gaza/WB pre-7/10 and why for many people, stopping the bombing is just step one to actual real peace for Palestinians.

They’ve been killing Palestinians for decades. Hamas needed to go. Israel also needs to change in order for Palestinians to enjoy actual peace.

"If you don’t want protests and you don’t want uprisings or resistance give people the rights that you yourself enjoy, stop expanding settlements, and make sure that they have nothing to rise up against."

No one in the UK is 'expanding settlements'. The ridiculousness of singing ditties, or worse encouraging direct action with that awful 'globalise the intifada' thinking it will stop settlements. That's for Israel and the PA in the West Bank to sort out and the larger peace deal to discuss. The chaos and hatred towards Jewish people with those awful chants, signs, direct action encouragement shouldn't continue. If it does, it feels the motive isn't about the conflict ending and a peace deal but just plain hatred. More and more people are speaking out against the 'marchers' causing chaos week in week out and wasting police resources which could be better used to improve our own country including badly needed funding for other things.

I suspect because a ceasefire was the first step. Palestinians have lived under oppression for a long time and protests will probably now centre more around Palestinian rights e.g the ability to live freely, work freely, own property etc etc.

I would concur and think this is a laudable aim. However. I'm sure that you'll agree that on many of these marches, some of the chants and placards do not appear to be on the side of peace, and concern many.
I really hope that this aspect can now be pushed back.

Effective action, if peace is really the aim, is educating oneself about the history of the conflict and being in the ear of one’s MP with constructive demands.

Yes, I think that's a fair point. I've been reading up to inform myself, and it's an incredibly complex situation. Just reading about the peace deal indicated how multi layered and difficult it all is.

As we saw yesterday, the UK has zero influence on what happens in Gaza.
Zero.

I really wish they'd sort the signs and chants in their 'aims' of greater peace, separate states etc. Having had a shouting women thrust a leaflet in my face about Palestinian problems whilst ignoring the starving and hungry in London, her telling me I should join them felt like a cult or club. The money spent policing these marchers week in week out is astronomical now. Better spent elsewhere.

This. The deluded 'marchers' dont appear to do facts.

March, protest, whatever is within the law and the bounds of decency. Stop with "the river to the sea" and "globalise the intifada". That's not part of a peaceful solution.
Also, stop covering your faces. If you don't want to be seen, don't protest publicly.
No-one wants to stop free speech, but there are limits.

What are you talking about? Why do you talk about things you don't know about? It's embarrassing. The UK have been very involved in the current ceasefire negotiations. Why do you think they were publicly thanked?

Because it's not a fact so in this case the marchers are not 'deluded'

Witkoff took to X on Monday, ahead of meeting President Donald Trump in Israel, to praise the UK.

"I would like to acknowledge the vital role of the United Kingdom in assisting and coordinating efforts that have led us to this historic day in Israel," Witkoff wrote.
"In particular, I want to recognise the incredible input and tireless efforts of National Security Advisor Jonathan Powell."

It actually really does! EU sanctions, banning goods from settlements and the increasing number of countries recognising a Palestinian state is what forced Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire.

Without public pressure and news coverage they never would have let food trucks back into Gaza and they never would have stopped bombing. Several leaders in Israel have said they wanted to raze Gaza and displace the citizens - just look at the quotes on the front cover of The National!

Palestinians are being lined up on their knees and shot execution style by hamas.
They're more in need of help than ever before, but given the peace deal they're likely to be left undefended.

Well, we have got Tony Blair.

It's appalling isn't it. I'm sure the activist doctors and the UN will be reporting on this imminently.

Hamas are evil. Some of those being executed are also evil. Many are militants armed by Israel who stole aid and opened fire on Palestinians. These people are seen as collaborators who profiteered and were complicit in genocide. I have no doubt they have executed innocent people too as they have not being tried or had a chance to prove they are innocent of whatever they are accused of. This happens after every war - they always punish people who are seen to collaborate - it happened after WW2 - it was wrong then and is wrong now.

I am anti capital punishment but I just wanted to clarify that it is not random civilians that are being executed.

While yesterday was promising, the war is not over and its nieve to think that.

Israel have given back a wasteland to the Gazian people. The trauma doesnt just disappear. Many more Palestinians will die because there is barely any infrastructure to support them.

This isn’t right. The UK has some influence, but our power in the global stage has declined.

The US seem to have been the main brokers of the deal, but you can bet that the deal has been negotiated to the benefit of the US. They always come with strings attached. It is likely that US firms will have priority access to contracts for the rebuilding effort, and Gaza is strategically important to the US due to its location.

The UK Foreign Office supports experts and trained negotiators that are so critical in these situations. Any peace negotiations are dependent on investment in people and systems, from all the countries involved. If we aren’t prioritising this, our influence is diminished.

And yet the Foreign Office has had its budget cut recently. See

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/78/foreign-affairs-committee/news/207445/foreign-affairs-committee-chair-foreign-office-budget-stretched-thin-and-cuts-alarming/

That is something that your MP CAN influence that would have and would continue to make a difference.

What is your point? Hamas have ALWAYS killed innocent Palestinians - they are a terrorist group and not known for their tolerance of opposition views. Hence why people are pro-Palestinians and not pro Hamas.

My ex-friend has been quiet on her Facebook page for a week. She was posting daily ill-informed nonsense, some so ludicrous and from sources so ridiculous that only a moron would believe it. A lot of antisemitism dressed up as anti-Zionism.

She today has pivoted to anti-capitalism nonsense, but naturally with strong hints about Jews controlling governments and finance.

Sadly antisemitism will all be at play here, just as Islamophobia/muslim hatred is too. The best we can do is call people out when their views are clearly led by racism.