Why would would you still have pro Palestinian marches apart from now instilling more fear into the Jewish community

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Now we have what looks like a peace to be celebrated why are people still going to march for Palestine? The genocide has stopped in their opinion so shouldn't they be at least joyful or if that is not the case what do they really want? Do they want to keep marching until the Israeli state is no more?

I really hope so! She sounds completely unhinged.
What makes it even scarier is the fact she’s a medical professional.

I can understand why the keffiyeh is considered hateful by some. It’s because it means people are showing solidarity to one side over another. But is that in itself a problem? These boards are full of people who are either clearly pro one side or another? Do one’s views need to be hidden in public?

I understand that there are real sensitivities around this with the increase in antisemitism - but is there not a danger of conflating showing solidarity with Palestinians to being antisemitic?

No it isn't because it's associated with showing solidarity it because the people who wear them <nowadays, I accept they haven't always had this association> tend to be shouting offensive slurs about Israel.

Well basically, the people wearing them at present in the UK are just showing off. I think also they are quite happy if others feel intimidated. Also why would someone who really isn’t antisemitic wear something that is currently being used to signal antisemitism?

Completely agree that people should not shout out offensive things - but what about people wearing Keffiyehs quietly? Is that ok?

I completely understand that these people protesting felt intimidating for the Jewish community. A minority were there to spread hate, the majority of people had good intentions.
The noise definitely had an impact on arranging the ceasefire.
I have questions about the famine too, seeing a lot the healthy people, I believe that certain people manly babies were starved while some men got fatter.
I wouldn't put it past hamas,the destruction and terror inflicted in Palestine by Israel was deplorable too, the innocent children and families suffering terror, bombed, blown apart.
Not many will agree with you.
I don't think anyone outside of believers should be wearing it.

Believers of what?

Let no one make the clothes people chose to wear a symbol of hate in the UK.

Here is a 2024 article from The Guardian May 2024
re the US and the wearing of the keffiyeh.

“ My Palestinian keffiyeh is a symbol of my identity. I should not be afraid to wear it in public

I wear the traditional black and white scarf to celebrate my heritage. That’s enough to make you a target in the US today

….A keffiyeh – the traditional black and white scarf that has long been a symbol of Palestinian identity

Being a British-Palestinian living in the US has never been a barrel of laughs……..it feels like there’s now a concerted effort to outlaw any expression of Palestinian identity whatsoever: whether that be flags, keffiyehs, or watermelons. (Watermelons have become symbolsof Palestine as a way to bypass attempts to censor the red, green, black and white Palestinian flag.)

In March, for example, the Museum of Modern Art in New York denied entry to two people because one of them had a keffiyeh in their bag – after a public outcry, the museum later apologised and said it had mistaken the scarf for a banner.

The Ontario legislature has banned people from wearing keffiyehswithin the chamber.
And, last week, the Eurovision song contest rebuked the Swedish-Palestinian singer Eric Saade for compromising the “non-political nature of the event” by wearing a keffiyeh around his wrist during his performance

“ I got that keffiyeh from my dad when I was a little boy, to never forget where the family comes from,” Saade later said on Instagram. “Back then I didn’t know that it would one day be called a ‘political symbol’.” Saade added: “I just wanted to … wear something that is authentic to me – but the EBU [the European Broadcasting Union] seems to think my ethnicity is controversial.”

Back in 2007, when the keffiyeh had a moment as a mainstream fashion item, Urban Outfitters, which was marketing it as an anti-war scarf, stopped stocking itpartly because of pressure from pro-Israel groups who smeared it as a terror symbol.
At the time, a director of the pro-Israel group Stand With Us told the Jerusalem Post that she thought someone in Urban Outfitters’ buying department might have a “political agenda against Israel and Jews”.

Now Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, is going one step further and trying to make keffiyehs synonymous with hate symbols.
Last month he went on MSNBC’s show Morning Joe – one of Joe Biden’s favourite news programmes – and compared the keffiyeh to the Nazi swastika. The host, Joe Scarborough, didn’t push back on this outrageous comparison. Nor did the five other people on the news panel. Instead, the session was wrapped up and Scarborough told Greenblatt: “Thank you so much.” !!!!!!

Whipping up hatred against symbols of Palestinian identity has dangerous consequences. Last November three Palestinian college students in Burlington, Vermont were shot; it’s thought that they may have been targeted because they were wearing keffiyehs.

Around the same time, a British-Indian man living in Brooklyn was attacked in a playground while with his 18-month-old, because he was wearing a keffiyeh. A woman called him a terrorist, threw her phone and a hot cup of coffee at him and said she hoped that “someone burns your child in an oven”.
Cowardly though it may be, the anti-Arab atmosphere in the US has made me afraid of wearing my own keffiyeh out of the house. Particularly, as I recently had a very unpleasant interaction when wearing my watermelon sweater (the same one Ben Affleck’s daughter was criticised for wearing “

The Guardian 14th May 2024

Like with many symbols, it means something else nowadays. The swastika wasn’t always a nazi symbol - you see it in other places. But if I’m walking down a street in Europe and see a bunch of people wearing swastikas, I’m going to feel a bit panicked. Similarly, if I turn a corner and see a bunch of people in keffiyehs, I’m going to hold my breath. It’s not fair on the millions who are wearing it as a connection to their ancestors, but it’s been co-opted now. i can’t be sure of course, but I would guess most of the people wearing them now (on the vile hateful marches but also just at work or wherever) aren’t Palestinian.

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People can support Palestinians for a variety of reasons. Even if you have questions about the extent of famine (we need independent journalists) - you can still see they have been and are still going through a dreadful plight.

There will be individuals who are definitely antisemitic who wear them, but there are probably a whole lot of people who want to wear one but feel unable to due to fear of being seen as antisemitic.

I feel it’s a shame people are unable to show solidarity for Palestinians without worrying they might offend others. It’s a difficult situation.

I mean I can understand a Palestinian person wearing a Keffiyeh but I think white Westerners look fucking ridiculous. Would they wear a vyshyvanka to show solidarity with Ukrainians? If not, why not?

Of course people can wear a vyshyvanka- what a wonderful idea! They look beautiful. This should definitely be promoted as I didn’t realise that style of clothing was associated with Ukraine! Thank you

I’ve worn Indian, Pakistani, Chinese clothes etc etc
I have keffiyehs in various colours

The Irish were banned from wearing green by the English centuries ago

We have evolved and keffiyehs are thankfully not banned. Making them an offensive item to wear reminds me of the subjugation of the Irish in Ireland.

If anyone read the article I posted above, let’s not allow that to happen anymore

Didn’t suggest banning them.

I said they look ridiculous on white Westerners.

Which they do.

And it’s amazing how many posters manage to bring Ireland’s ‘subjugation’ into totally unrelated matters.

Agree
Gorgeous aren’t they !

I don’t believe for a single moment you’re rushing off to buy one.

I was referring to the banning of the wearing of the green. It was the previous paragraph in my post and followed on naturally from that comment of mine

Im Irish so obviously I would reference a country that were banned from wearing something ..ie the colour green.

We seem to have hit on something here about the performative virtue signalling: it's an opportunity for a fancy dress party!

You say the keffiyeh symbolises violence but can you see how people wearing the Israeli flag can be synonymous with violence and cause fear in people, it is less than 80 years old so thousands of years younger than the keffiyeh and has been worn by violent mobs attacking people, waved as people say violent and hateful things against Palestinians and lets not forget the countless accounts of torture where the IDF have forced people to kiss it!

I have done a couple of searches and definitely considering it. The embroidery can be quite beautiful. Like that of a well made Keffiyeh even?

It’s a shame this debate is so polarised that people can’t show solidarity for Palestinians without offending others.

Not in the UK, no. Whereas you can't move for seeing keffiyehs and Palestinian flags.

Elsewhere, excuse my ignorance, but what are the countless accounts of torture where people have been forced to kiss the Israeli flag?

Usually worn by Muslims.
I wouldn't wear a hijab, turban, kippah or a saree either.
Isn't cultural appropriation frowned upon

You might think they look ridiculous, I, on the other hand do not. I think it is a show of solidarity and i feel very happy when I see people wearing keffiyahs in solidarity with Palestinians.

A keffiyah isn't a religious piece of clothing.

I am sure Palestinians will not mind if it is worn with awareness of it’s significance to their history and in solidarity - as opposed to just a fashion statement.

That probably mostly true when one wears anything of another culture. It needs to be done with respect.