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Writer Naoise Dolan Abducted in International Waters

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KoalaKoKo · 08/10/2025 10:59

Writer, Naoise Dolan, has just been illegally abducted from international waters by the Israeli government. Prior to being kidnapped, she wrote about her journey for The Guardian, explaining why they will not get Israel to distribute aid on their behalf.

“Israel likes to ask why we don’t “just” let them distribute our supplies. Besides there being good reason to distrust that this would actually happen when Israel has been deliberately starving Palestinians for two years, doing so would tacitly concede that Israel has the right to control Palestinian waters.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/08/israel-seize-ship-gaza-flotilla-prison

Israel have just abducted 145 peace activists at gunpoint from international waters, in breach of international law. This follows their abduction of 500 people last week, some of which are still in captivity and those who have been released have reported brutal treatment where they were denied access to water, medical care and legal aid.

https://freedomflotilla.org/2025/10/08/iof-attacks/

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EasyTouch · 09/10/2025 18:28

PevenseygirlQQ · 09/10/2025 14:21

Absolutely!

Don't worry. Just like what Israel has done is a reaction to Hamas, those who are not anti Zionists will know that they did not show any " can't act right" before the pro Palestinians did the most to censor , minimise, mock , victim blame and even censure October 7th first, worldwide and before Israel even retaliated.
Can't get much worse than being a female rape denier/ minimiser on a female centred board.
And Greta leads that specific cohort on the flotilla.
It burns me to share space with those types of women and men.
They minimise Hamas and complicit Gazans actions because something inside them clicks positively with those actions .
And they only pretend to be for Palestinians and that is why they minimise Hamas' actions and intent ....because something clicks positively in the Israeli defence and the death and destruction it has wrought.
Never in my life have I seen so many able to daily doom scrolls what is avoidable, but claim distress, disgust and despair.
A disgust, distress and despair that does not translate into begging Hamas to disarm, give back the dead and living hostages or question why Hamas and complicit Gazans planned for two years to knowingly lead tens of thousands of Gazans to death, homelessness and hunger.
So miss me with the superiority complex. The average Pro Palestinian does not even check for Palestinians. If they did, calls for Hamas accountability would have been one of the top two demands from them in this war.
Because one cannot claim that Israel is an eighty year old criminal state that needs to be a parish due to her exercising her right to defend herself against various Islamist entities over the decades , but act like they did not know that Israel would defend herself against the worst violation against Jews, and in the Jewish homeland since WW2.
Which begs the question why so called Pro Palestinians did not and do not prioritise why Hamas knowingly sent their people to hell all to get a kick out of murdering a far smaller number of people?

Is the kick out of a relatively large number of Israeli Jews being targeted and murdered for being Jewish a greater reward worth the death and destruction in Gaza so as to continue to finger point and bangle/banner wave after Israel?
Because this mass energy for Israel that even the post communism fall of the Berlin Wall did not harness with such non dynamic intensity , and seemingly unable to channel itself out of toddler like emotionalism and narcissism ....where and how was it hiding in intensity and hysteria ( I rarely use that word in my lexicon as it can often be used to other and stifle reasoning) and how was it able to?
Is social media the catalyst or the vessel?

Because there is so much going on in the world, worse than what is happening in Gaza and for far longer that this very intense energy against Israel (and much" adjacent " to her ) could have been released a long time ago, if anti war, love of peace and justice and " anti imperialism", plus a superior love of children, babies and mothers is really the motivation/ trigger for it.
But kudos to the ability to stifle all that adrenalin without using it so intensely " on behalf" of other groups and other " imperialist" endeavours against whole populations all over creation ...and all without a serious uptick in mental hospital admission or prison as suppressing intense feeling too often leads to maladaptive anti social behaviour or self harm or to those in close proximity.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/10/2025 18:29

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 18:27

Ahh, yes, the totally neutral UNHRC.
https://unwatch.org/database/problems/unhrc/

I don’t expect Pro Israeli supporters to believe anyone that doesn’t agree with them

so nothing new here then

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 18:36

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 18:07

You missed a bit.
“Aboard the Turkish ship MV Mavi Marmara, the Israeli Navy faced resistance from about 40 of the 590 passengers, including IHH activists[5] who were said to be armed with iron bars and knives.”

They also incapacitated 7 IDF commandos (so must have been pretty heavy resistance) by attacking them as they came aboard and armed themselves with guns they took off them.

So get this, aggressive activists who attacked soldiers with chairs, metal poles, knives, and threw one over deck to a lower level of the boat, to get hold of their guns, were just peaceful and innocent and shouldn’t expect to be at shot at if they’re trying to kill those soldiers.

According to reports I read the attack on the soldiers was planned days before they came onboard and the peaceful activists had sawn off the boat’s metal railings to use as weapons in preparation.

I see @DrPrunesqualer didn’t see fit to mention the 7 soldiers injured, 2 seriously, 1 shot, in her brief run down of the incident (although it states 10 on her attachment) which rather changes the perspective that the ‘activists’ were all peaceful and were attacked for no reason.

If that had been any other ME country’s army, I think the outcome would have been a lot worse, but of course Israel is held to a standard no other country would tolerate.

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2025 18:36

DrPrunesqualer · 09/10/2025 18:29

I don’t expect Pro Israeli supporters to believe anyone that doesn’t agree with them

so nothing new here then

Well that works both ways.

There is a lot of distrust on this board for the evidence on the "other side" - whichever side you're on.

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 19:20

KoalaKoKo · 09/10/2025 14:14

The veil is well and truly lifted now, so many more people are aware of the atrocities Israel has committed and continues to commit. Governments that have committed to banning goods from settlements will continue to do so. More governments will recognise a Palestinian state. I would love to see proper sanctions on Israel but we all know that won’t happen. The next best thing is to see IDF soldiers and leaders arrested the second they step out of Israel! I hope we see convictions soon for the genocide.

You say there were no sanctions on Germany??? If you read a history book you will see that Germany was politically isolated and economically punished following WW1 and WW2. The economic sanctions were incredibly harsh after WW1 to the point that their currency was completely devalued and after WW2 there was starvation and people were selling valuable antiques and jewellery for small amounts of food. Berlin was divided and remained divided during many of our lifetimes and it is only in the last few decades that the country became whole again.

Also WW1 was far more complex in who was to blame than WW2 - I don’t think we can blame Germany alone for WW1!

@JacknDiane, who was who I was responding to about Israel being a pariah State was not referring to sanctions from my reading of that post.

The world has seen what's happening and Israel will be very much a pariah state from now on. No one except their supporters will think of Israel with anything except disgust and horror.

He/she was referring to the justification of hatred of Israel, Israelis and also the Jewish diaspora by extension. Attacks on them have been justified because of the war even on here.

My point was business is business and international businesses will still deal with Israel if it benefits them.

I don’t think any country in the world, and its people, has had this level of hate Israel has had directed at it for carrying out a justified war or even an aggressive war in my lifetime.

I also don’t think Germany had this level of global hate directed it, or was viewed with such hatred for long afterwards as @JacknDiane seems to want Israel to be.

JacknDiane · 09/10/2025 19:44

Again, trying to put words in my mouth. Its just not working @TicklishMauveSquid.

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 19:53

Poor Noise and the rest of the Floaters arrived a week too late.
The world is talking about the Trump Peace Plan.
Their futile gestures have already been forgotten.

JacknDiane · 09/10/2025 20:10

Everything crossed Trumps peace plan is successful 🙏

DrPrunesqualer · 09/10/2025 20:17

Twiglets1 · 09/10/2025 18:36

Well that works both ways.

There is a lot of distrust on this board for the evidence on the "other side" - whichever side you're on.

Agree
but I disagree that the UN are biased against Israel despite the assertions of Netanyahu and what the UN critics say

Im aware of arguments for and against

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 20:19

Additionally, it is absolutely disgusting to say that IDF soldiers should be arrested the second they step out of Israel. These are young men and women fighting a war, putting their own lives on the line and being killed, after their country was attacked by multiple terrorists groups.

I’ve seen pictures and videos of beheaded IDF soldiers and bodies of dead soldiers being jumped on, beaten and desecrated by hordes of frenzied civilians in Gaza.

The targeting of these soldiers is led by an outfit who’s members have openly expressed support for Hamas and Hezbollah, and which was specifically set up to persecute IDF soldiers in the name of a 6 year girl, Hind Rajab, who was killed during this war allegedly by the IDF with no conclusive proof that was the case and it has been disputed.

I personally don’t think the story makes sense at all and it is another piece in the propaganda war against Israel, with this ‘Foundation’ to stalk and persecute IDF soldiers conveniently set up on the back of it.

In all likelihood planned and set up before Hamas started a war they knew they wouldn’t win militarily.

Has there been any other conflicts where soldiers have been targeted in the same way?

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:23

CatchingtheCat · 09/10/2025 01:42

Are we going to talk about the genocide of thousands of Christians in Syria by Syrian Muslim forces?

Genocide? The most Syrian Christian’s that were killed in a single incident was 12. The death toll for the entire year: 1,120.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:26

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 06:29

I think we can be sure their treatment was civilized and respectful.
Or there is evidence of physical injuries?

You sound like my mum who advised me that if I get raped I had better make sure he beats me black and blue or no one will believe me. Got to have that physical evidence, am I right?

SmugglersHaunt · 09/10/2025 20:30

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SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:31

1dayatatime · 09/10/2025 11:07

The UN Palmer Report 2011:

"Palmer found that Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal. Palmer argued that since a state of conflict existed between Israel and militants in the Gaza Strip, a naval blockade to prevent receipt of arms by those militants would be a recognized form of self-defence. "

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon appointed a commission to inquire into what had happened. Sir Geoffrey Palmer was appointed to Chair the inquiry. He is a law professor and former Prime Minister of New Zealand.

https://unispal.un.org/pdfs/GazaFlotillaPanelReport.pdf

Palmer also said in the report that the Israeli navy should have searched the boats and if they had only humanitarian aid, they should have been let through to deliver it.

A blockade is only legal while it blocks arms and ammunition.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:33

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 12:55

There’s a land route for aid so not applicable.

That is not relevant to the law.

Beachtastic · 09/10/2025 20:33

wrongthinker · 09/10/2025 14:15

I mean, thank God they weren't intercepted by Hamas because it's highly unlikely they would have survived to tell the tale.

Let's be real here. You don't go sailing into a war zone armed only with your white privilege and expect to be treated like a hero unless you're doing it for attention. If they wanted to do something to help the Palestinian people they would have been campaigning for a ceasefire.

Or campaigning to weaken the grip of Hamas, instead of having their boats paid for by them.

dairydebris · 09/10/2025 20:43

KoalaKoKo · 09/10/2025 14:20

In fairness Hamas don’t have any issue with peace activists, the flotilla’s carried vital medical supplies and had doctors and nurses on board so they likely would have been welcomed. Israel are far more dangerous to peace activists, they have killed quite a few over the years, they are also far more dangerous to doctors and nurses when you look at the numbers imprisoned and murdered!

Ah yes those fluffy wuffy ickle terrorists. They dont have any issue with peace activists? What, apart from Vittorio Arrigioni, Vivian Silver, all those Israelis who'd been working with Gazans before 7 October?

Did you speak to Hamas and did they tell you, no, honestly, we've no issue with peace activists? Personal mistakes might have been made? And you believed them?

Must be true then 🙄.

KoalaKoKo · 09/10/2025 20:44

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 20:19

Additionally, it is absolutely disgusting to say that IDF soldiers should be arrested the second they step out of Israel. These are young men and women fighting a war, putting their own lives on the line and being killed, after their country was attacked by multiple terrorists groups.

I’ve seen pictures and videos of beheaded IDF soldiers and bodies of dead soldiers being jumped on, beaten and desecrated by hordes of frenzied civilians in Gaza.

The targeting of these soldiers is led by an outfit who’s members have openly expressed support for Hamas and Hezbollah, and which was specifically set up to persecute IDF soldiers in the name of a 6 year girl, Hind Rajab, who was killed during this war allegedly by the IDF with no conclusive proof that was the case and it has been disputed.

I personally don’t think the story makes sense at all and it is another piece in the propaganda war against Israel, with this ‘Foundation’ to stalk and persecute IDF soldiers conveniently set up on the back of it.

In all likelihood planned and set up before Hamas started a war they knew they wouldn’t win militarily.

Has there been any other conflicts where soldiers have been targeted in the same way?

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Wow there is so much nonsense in this post. You know the six year old was on the phone to emergency services as she was being murdered by the IDF. It is all recorded and proven. Just horrible comment!

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SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:46

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 15:45

TBF I haven’t seen you post much in way of evidence to support your assertions at all. Propaganda yes.

I just response to posts I want to respond to.

The IDF are an army fighting an unprecedented war against heinous terrorists IMO. Brave men and women, most still in or barely out of their teens, some Arab Muslim, Druze, Christian, fighting alongside Jews, against evil, cowardly, terrorists who committed the type of barbaric atrocities of Oct 7th, who hide behind children to save themselves in a war they started.

You are entitled to your very biased view of them though.

It is not an “unprecedented war” against terror as many living veterans of urban combat against terrorists can attest to. The enemy is not what is unprecedented.

What is unprecedented in my life time, is how Israel has systematically fought this war in a seemingly lawless and excessively brutal fashion.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:46

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She is back in Sweden? Deported.

Glitchymn1 · 09/10/2025 20:54

Done.

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:58

Beachtastic · 09/10/2025 20:33

Or campaigning to weaken the grip of Hamas, instead of having their boats paid for by them.

Hamas didn’t pay for the flotilla. That is nonsense.

TicklishMauveSquid · 09/10/2025 21:11

SummerFeverVenice · 09/10/2025 20:46

It is not an “unprecedented war” against terror as many living veterans of urban combat against terrorists can attest to. The enemy is not what is unprecedented.

What is unprecedented in my life time, is how Israel has systematically fought this war in a seemingly lawless and excessively brutal fashion.

Do you have expertise or knowledge of urban warfare?

Please name a similar war then?

Military experts who have been to the area are of the view it’s an unprecedented war.

I suppose you know better than one of world’s leading experts in urban warfare which is what this war is.

https://www.meforum.org/podcasts/john-spencer-on-israels-urban-war-in-gaza-a-technical-analysis

spencerguard.substack.com/p/israel-is-not-committing-genocide

John Spencer on Israel’s Urban War in Gaza: A Technical Analysis

https://www.meforum.org/podcasts/john-spencer-on-israels-urban-war-in-gaza-a-technical-analysis

HellsBalls · 09/10/2025 21:15

@SummerFeverVenice ’What is unprecedented in my life time, is how Israel has systematically fought this war in a seemingly lawless and excessively brutal fashion.’

Wake up. It’s a war, where taking prisoner by the islamists means at best a quick death, at worst months of torture followed by a beheading with a kitchen knife live streamed on a YouTube.

Don’t forget being found gay by Islamists results in being thrown off a tall building. Being found guilty of adultery means being held in a hole while a pickup full of rocks is off loaded onto you.

The Jews, even the ultra orthodox, don’t do shit like that.

PurpleChrayn · 09/10/2025 21:18

🙄