Trump-Netanyahu news conference

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Trump says Netanyahu has agreed to US Gaza peace plan

Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu are now in front of the media for their joint news conference, with US and Israeli flags as their backdrop.

Trump starts by saying "this is a big, big day, potentially one of the greatest days ever in civilisation".

He thanks Netanyahu "for really getting in there and doing a job".

"We worked well together, as we have with many other countries," he says.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-netanyahu-to-meet-trump-as-hostage-families-tell-us-president-we-need-you-13440749

Cannot believe that so many leaders in so many countries support this plan to try to bring peace whereas some MN posters appear against it. Odd. Surely a ceasefire is in the best interests of Gazans? Do you want the conflict to end. Didn't people want a negotiated ceasefire and plan to move forward. I'm sure the bigger picture (rather than some mumsnetters negativity) will be listened to.

Hopefully Hamas will agree, that's all thats needed now, who knows, they might decide to continue to keep the conflict going regardless of their peoples best interests. Sad if that happens.

So the following countries plus the UN support the proposed deal:

Saudi Arabia
Jordan
United Arab Emirates
Pakistan
Indonesia
Qatar
Turkey
Egypt

The ministers say they are ready to cooperate "positively" with the US to finalise the agreement and "ensure its implementation".

The only parties against the proposed peace plan is:
Hamas
Houthis
Some Mumsnet posters

Do people really want to be in that second group?

So Netanyahu seems to be changing the terms of the deal before Hamas have even responded.

He's now saying that the IDF will stay in most of Gaza. Not the withdrawal that he'd agreed to within the document.

He's also reiterated that there will not be a Palestinian state, that is not in the document and he will not agree with it.

Those that somehow believe he's acting in good faith need to consider that these are not the words of someone who is (a) to be trusted (b) wanting peace.

I don't give a monkeys if I'm the only person on the planet saying this. It's an unjust deal. It's a bad deal. It rewards Israel for their genocide by giving them everything they want and gives the Palestinian zero security.

We aren't seeing the birth of hope for Palestinians, we're seeing the birth of an American colony.

If Hamas agree with you and turn it down what happens next do you think?

Israel step up it's genocidal war crimes further, with trump turning a blind eye.

I'm not saying they should turn it down, but that is disgusting to expect people to agree to a plan as flawed as this or accept genocide. It's unjust.

Here's the joint statement by the US and supporting countries:

"They reaffirm their joint commitment to work with the United States to end the war in Gaza through a comprehensive deal that ensures unrestricted delivery of sufficient humanitarian aid to Gaza, no displacement of the Palestinians, the release of hostages, a security mechanism that guarantees the security of all sides, full Israeli withdrawal, rebuilds Gaza and creates a path for a just peace on the basis of the two state solution, under which Gaza is fully integrated with the West Bank in a Palestinian state in accordance with international law as key to achieving regional stability and security."

I don't see any reference to a "US colony " in there, seems like a pretty clear commitment to a two state solution.

But hey if you feel more comfortable being on the side of the Houthis and Hamas than the civilised world then that's your choice.

Ah ye olde Black and White logic of MN rises to the top again. So, because I, some random poster, wouldn’t trust as far as I’d throw ‘em the leaders behind this peace plan, i.e Trump (!!!), I must want ongoing genocide while waving my Houthi flag. Well alrighty then!
Like anyone else, I want peace. But Trump is not your saviour or white knight. The ME nations hate the Palestinians. That Gaza could become their Dubai-upon-Med is an opportunity and a half for Saudi Arabia, Qatar, et al. The Palestinian people are of least importance within this peace plan.

I stand by what I said just as I stand by calling this out as a genocide way back when MN would zap my comments for stating the truth. Words like ethnic cleansing and famine weren’t allowed in the hallowed corridors of MN or anywhere else back then.
The truth is uncomfortable. And the truth will always out.
This peace plan is all smoke and mirrors being implemented by predatory leaders who do not value human rights in the least. This will not at all play out in the nice, backlit, godrays and sunbeams way you think it will.
I envy the hope people have, false as it is.

The territory will be overseen by the board of peace, which is chaired by Trump. The details of the plan show that most of the decisions aren't taken by the board but by its chair. Trump will be de facto leader of Gaza. Technically you're right, it's not going to be an American colony. It's a Trump one, and that's even worse.

For the foreseeable future, Gaza would be a Trump colony, with zero democracy, and with Palestinians having zero say.

The plan goes into detail about investment, partnerships, etc to ensure a good return on the building projects. No coincidence that Jared Kushner is a key individual in this plan. Jared who is talked repeatedly about the 'real estate opportunities', and happens to an a company that would make billions off it.

Do you really think after this America is going to leave? There's nothing to stop America plonking a huge military base there. America previously expressed a wish to annexe Gaza (along with Canada and Greenland!), doesn't concern you that this plan comes suspiciously close? In reality, it would be a colony, but one with absolutely no accountability. Trump could do whatever he likes.

Also, the proposed 'full Israeli withdrawal' which Netanyahu agreed to, he has retreated from this morning, saying the IDF would stay in most of the territory. So actually not a withdrawal at all.

So want do you actually want to happen?

So far on the table, is a peace plan, supported by many countries or the current alternative, ongoing conflict. There isn't another plan being put forward.

So because some think its not perfect don't agree to it. That seems plain dumb and means more unnecessary deaths for innocents. Poor people, appear to be a pawn, online pro.pal use, rather than actually considered. Waiting out for what exactly? In the meantime conflict continues. That's a lose lose for everyone. At least leaders are attempting to broker a deal. Or should we sit around moaning and let it go on and on.

So want do you actually want to happen?

So far on the table, is a peace plan, supported by many countries or the current alternative, ongoing conflict. There isn't another plan being put forward.

So because some think its not perfect don't agree to it. That seems plain dumb and means more unnecessary deaths for innocents. Poor people, appear to be a pawn, online pro.pal use, rather than actually considered. Waiting out for what exactly? In the meantime conflict continues. That's a lose lose for everyone. At least leaders are attempting to broker a deal. Or should we sit around moaning and let it go on and on.

I don't particularly like Trump either but it is a credible peace plan backed by the UN and surrounding countries.

The difference is that I'm not willing to have my dislike and lack of trust in Trump and Blair stand in the way of a deal that offers the best chance of ending this conflict, stopping destruction and stopping the killing and freeing the hostages. Especially when it is backed by respected neighbouring countries.

This. The bigger picture is important.

Ahh ok. Lets just leave Gaza to Hamas then, shall we? They need a bit more self determination from Hamas you think? Jolly good. Move along.

Doesn't really matter if Hamas doesn't accept this deal does it? Obviously a load more innocent civilians will have to die but at least we'll still be able to point our fingers at Israel and shout 'genocide' which will give us a really nice feeling of self righteous anger.

Carry on!

I am with you! The whole section on economic development rings alarm bells. Also Israel continues to control Gazas borders. Gaza doesn’t get elections in the forceable future so no opportunity for self determination, they are policed by a foreign force, they get no airport or port so continue to be controlled by Israel.

Saying Israel will not annex the West Bank while saying nothing about the illegal settlements recently approved, the ones currently being constructed, the Palestinian homes currently being levelled. Nothing to say the Israeli military will leave the West Bank. This rings alarms. There are no sanctions, nothing that stops Israel going back to stealing more territory and displacing more people while Gazans are kept in place with a foreign military.

As someone said, it is a pig in lipstick, a bunch of wealthy men are working out how they can all make a profit out of Gaza and allow Netanyahu and Hamas commanders get off scot free with no prison time.

No one is MAKING Israel kill children, the IDF are choosing to bomb kids and shoot them in the head! Whether this deal goes ahead or not Israel will likely kill more Palestinian children in the future. This deal has no sanctions to prevent that, no protections in place for the Palestinian people.

Netanyahu has said he will “forcibly resist” Palestinian statehood.

AKA, he has no plans for peace. Disgusting man.

So Hamas should just reject this peace deal in your opinion?

What do you think the people of Gaza City would want Hamas to do?

Its for Palestinians to come up with capable leadership to push this through for the good of their nation, negotiations over the next years will decide the details.

In general the losing side doesn't get to dictate terms- why should this be different?

I cant bear Trump and think its satire worthy that Blair is involved, but whatever it takes to get Hamas gone, and the bombs stop falling, no?

So weird the way you've been calling for a ceasefire for months but now theres one on the table you're saying.... no, not like that.

Were you not available to negotiate on behalf of Palestinians?

Then Hamas should accept this deal, the war will end, there will be elections in Israel and Netanyahu and his religious nutjob buddies can be voted out, moderates can come in, and there's a possible road to peace?

Dont let your hatred for BN blind you to what's best for Palestinians and Israelis.

Who says there will be democratic elections in Israel? Who says they’ll vote him out? There are no guarantees and it leaves Palestine incredibly vulnerable. Of course, Hamas need to go, but this deal is hardly better.

Nobody is saying that the deal should be rejected because it is this or a continuation of genocide, everyone is aware of that. What people are saying is don't expect them to watch and clap it on like brainless idiots. We can see this for what it is and that is less shit than the current genocide but a continued abuse and subjugation of the Palestinian people across both Gaza and the West Bank.

The January deal was better for the Palestinian people
No wonder Netanyahu broke it

OK.

Well I'm watching and praying that it'll be accepted.

Everyone else can lament a ceasefire/ surrender if they wish.

Yet another awful eye opener for me on how a lot of people really feel on here today.

I'm out.

Of course you are. Because it means Israel has free rein to destroy Palestine.