Trump's new Gaza Plan

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Return of the hostages and an Islamic Arab government: Inside Trump's new Gaza plan:

The Trump administration has reportedly put forward a peace plan which would eventually lead to a complete end to the war in Gaza, a Western source told the Lebanese media site Elnashra on Wednesday, only a day after US President Donald Trump met with the leaders of Muslim countries.

The plan reportedly includes a 20-day ceasefire followed by the return of the hostages. It is unclear in the report, however, how many of the 48 hostages would be returned at this stage of the deal.

Following the return of the abductees, an Arab administration made up of Islamic nations would take over the administration of the Palestinian enclave, according to Elnashra. During this time, a Palestinian government would reportedly be built without the infiltration of Hamas.

Other sources told the Lebanese paper that the Muslim leaders attending the meeting with Trump were supportive of the American president's proposal. Still, they were reportedly awaiting a response from Hamas and Israel to see if the proposal could be fruitful.

The meeting was held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York and included leaders from the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-868469

They don't call themselves that. They build on public land in what they see as sovereign Israeli land. Whatever your politics, it's either Israeli sovereign land or land designated for a future Palestinian state, but it's public land, not private.

Well they can call themselves whatever the hell they like. Bottom line is they have no legal right to be there regardless of what you or they think. They have repeatedly broken international law.
Bulldozing private homes doesn’t make the land they once stood on public land. Or indeed land that they can build on. It’s theft.
There is no point denying it. Those doing it are open about what they are doing and it’s well documented. Hopefully they will eventually be prosecuted and brought to justice.

I don't care what they call themselves, they're illegal settlers often using violence to steal land, whilst the IDF watches on and the courts turn a blind eye.

Even most of the pro- Israeli crowd here don't agree with the settlers.

The 'settlers' don't bulldoze anything. Enforcement sometimes does that when houses are built illegally. Interesting fact, 'settler' homes are also regularly bulldozed for the same reason.

I think Ben Gvir's found Mumsnet!!

Utter Bollocks! It is Palestinian land not Israeli land. So they is no justification for any enforcement by Israel. It is illegal and you damn well know it.

IF and it’s a big IF any homes have been illegally built by Palestinians then that is for the Palestinian Authority to deal with. Nobody else.

Excuse me!!! WTAF!! How dare you!

Nowhere have I ever supported the way Israel are behaving.

Not you! I was talking about @Minoritee

If you saw my pre edited post, I quoted you by accident. So I then changed it to hopefully make it clear that it wasn't you I was taking about.

I'm tired, I'm sorry if I've caused confusion.

Who knows who these Gazans are. They must be digging some up with the bulldozers
Lits of people have gone missing both unheard of for years after being carted off to Israeli jails and
all those under the rubble

Israel haven't said who any of them are yet
or how many bodies they have in total

and this is why the West Bank needs to be included in the deal
People actually think Israelis have a right to it

So what happens when Israeli settlers continue to kill Palestinians in the West Bank and steal their homes

What happens when they continue to bomb Christian churches
is that all irrelevant or can Israel carry on with that until everything’s either stolen or levelled to the ground Just like Israel want it to be

This agreement needs a lot more to it to stop Netanyahus destruction

Exactly
By which some these unknown businesses owned by ‘no one knows’ have built in Gaza and control it.
These businesses could be Israeli …!!

Hamas agreed and stuck to the last deal in January
It was Netanyahu who pulled out after Stage 1 and before he got all the hostages back.

That's on him and the Israeli Government

Then Hamas will have no problem agreeing to this deal will they?

Except, except… Hamas have never agreed to disarm and leave Gaza. That will be the sticking point.

Still, point 17 of the peace plan I saw suggested that the plan could start with or without Hamas on board. Plus they don’t seem to have many friends left re other countries.

Documents released by the White House detailed Mr Trump’s and Sir Tony’s roles. “Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza,” the plan reads.

“This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the Board of Peace, which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including former prime minister Tony Blair.”

Under the proposals, the US would also develop a temporary international stabilisation force (ISF) alongside Arab nations and other “international partners” to be immediately deployed in Gaza.

The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt. The group will work with Israel to help secure border areas.

A map released by the White House showed the IDF’s staggered withdrawal from Gaza, which would coincide with hostages being released.

A yellow line represents an initial “modest” withdrawal of IDF troops, which would take place within 72 hours of an agreement being reached and once all the hostages are released.

The red line shows where the ISF will be deployed once Israeli forces withdraw further.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dq9xwngv2o

Getting closer......everyone on board except Hamas......

The full 20 point plan (not 21 points like the leaked document) via the White House:

• Gaza will be a deradicalized terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.
• Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.
• If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.
• Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.
• Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.
• Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.
• Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025, agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.
• Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under the January 19, 2025 agreement.
• Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the “Board of Peace,” which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of State to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump’s peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.
• A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energize Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.
• A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.
• No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.
• Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarization of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration program all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbors.
• A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors or its people.
• The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilization Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.
• Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the Unites States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.
• In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.
• An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.
• While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
• The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.

I think on the whole this is generous to the Palestinians and may I say it fair. The whole world including the UN is now on board and it is now up to Hamas. Let us hope they hold the interests of the Palestinian people to heart and disarm and abandon.....they have done enough damage to the people of the region.

One thing of interest is that the word genocide has been jettisoned in the cold light of solid diplomacy and we can now see this term for the hyperbolic negotiating tactic it was. Peace can only be built on not inflaming the situation and I do note Hamas members who are open to peace may be allowed to remain which is a generous concession from the Israelis.

We now ask if successful what all those protesters in London will do with their weekends. The premier league seems quite exciting?

There’s a lot of support for it, good to know about the UN too.

I wonder what all the pro Palestinian writers at the guardian will be writing about this? I think there will be some silence.....

I agree it seems pretty fair.

Nothing like the doomsday scenario that most pro Pals were predicting. Remember that many predicted Netanyahu would never agree to a peace plan because he apparently wanted war forever. Wrong!

They may be disappointed that the plan is conciliatory in tone and uses common sense rather than being inflammatory & calling for blood.

The language of diplomacy not the language of Hamas.

oh they will be nit picking over the details & finding something to complain about.

We already see the sort of thing on here - why should Tony Blair be involved? Apart from the fact he and his Institute who have been working on a peace plan since October 23 and this is the finished version after much negotiation and input from other interested parties.

I suppose there will be bleating about the board of peace but this has always been a necessity. Getting all the terrorist groups is Gaza to disarm is going to be a bullish job tbough.

one thing I do hope is that this announcement does reduce Jew hatred but I harbour a couple of doubts.....

Perhaps they will congratulate themselves that they played a role in the international pressure that led to this plan 🙌

The Jew hatred won't disappear overnight.

At least some of the myths have been dispelled though. Like Netanyahu won't agree to a peace deal because he needs the war to keep going forever, like the IDF will end up keeping the Gazans who won't leave in "concentration" camps, like the aim is a complete genocide.