Page 13 | Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say

Everexpanding · 2025-09-01T16:15:28+00:00

An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime. Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion. The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in [[https://www.theguardian.com/world/gaza Gaza]] meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

TulipLavender · 04/09/2025 23:33

SharonEllis · 04/09/2025 23:12

You don't find the deaths of Kfir and Ariel Bibas disgusting?

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I find it no more disgusting that the thousands of Palestinian children bombed to death by Israel which is what most likely happened to them also.

I find it highly unlikely that they can tell the cause of death after 3 months of decomposition. It wouldn't be in Hamas' interest to strangle them to death but it is in Israel's interest to say that this is what Hamas did. I haven't seen any evidence to support that conclusion.

I find it extremely distasteful for posters who excuse the murder of thousand of children as just what happens in war while raising up the death of a handful of other children as unimaginable horror. All children matter equally.

GladioliGreen · 04/09/2025 23:41

Kakeandkake · 04/09/2025 22:46

They are fighting a losing battle.

I visited a hospital children's ward recently and one area had flags of lots of countries. Guess which countries flag they didn't have? Russia and Israel. I did see the flag of Palestine 🇵🇸 hanged up. It would have been insulting to the patients to have the flag of Israel - a country that has and is continuing to murder thousands of innocent children.

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It would be pretty messed up to have an Israeli flag in a hospital to be fair given that Israel have attacked over 400 medical centres, killed at least 1.4k healthcare workers including the redcross workers trying to reach poor Hind and the workers they executed and buried in a mass grave with their bulldozed medical equipment.

BelleHathor · 05/09/2025 00:03

Kakeandkake · 04/09/2025 22:42

Hind Rajab 💔

335 bullets the IDF fired.

They are psychotic demons. Evil. Pure evil.

As are those coming up with unevidenced "theories" to provide cover for the IDF.

SharonEllis · 05/09/2025 06:16

TulipLavender · 04/09/2025 23:33

I find it no more disgusting that the thousands of Palestinian children bombed to death by Israel which is what most likely happened to them also.

I find it highly unlikely that they can tell the cause of death after 3 months of decomposition. It wouldn't be in Hamas' interest to strangle them to death but it is in Israel's interest to say that this is what Hamas did. I haven't seen any evidence to support that conclusion.

I find it extremely distasteful for posters who excuse the murder of thousand of children as just what happens in war while raising up the death of a handful of other children as unimaginable horror. All children matter equally.

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Oh my god, how low can you go?

SharonEllis · 05/09/2025 06:47

PinkBobby · 04/09/2025 21:46

The two strands that I see as key for children in Gaza is dealing with the PTSD/trauma that they carry (I think a study in the first year of the war said over 90% of children show signs of PTSD) and then securing them an education that promotes peace alongside learning. Neither of these objectives are possible with Hamas in power. So, as I’ve said before , I fully support the removal of Hamas from Gaza. I also don’t condone the PA education system in the WB which also openly teaches antisemitism and extremist ideology.

I actually think Israeli children suffer from a similar combo in terms of PTSD/generational or collective trauma and an education that promotes peace (specifically settler children and what is basically segregation in schools in Israel). Both education system need to be reviewed if there’s a path forward. The Palestinian situation is more urgent because they actively promote extremism where as I believe in Israel there is more of an undercurrent of racism that feeds into the problems between the two sides (apart from the settler side of things - that is also straight violent extremism and must be stopped).

So I’m not saying that Palestinians can be deradicalised or protected from radicalism with Hamas in charge. They have to go. But I do think Israel can make a difference to how things proceed once Hamas are gone in Gaza. If Israel assume children are destined for extremism and treat them like terrorist, it is doing groups like Hamas a huge favour. If Israel, alongside a new leadership in Gaza, supported traumatised families and children and worked together on a curriculum that strived for peace and an education system focused on equality, it could make such a difference. I’m not saying radical Islam suddenly disappears or the threat to Israel goes away. But it might save some lives (Palestinian and, in the longer term, Israeli)

The horror of the atrocities inflicted on Israelis is incomprehensible. I can’t even begin to understand the collective trauma they must feel and the need to retaliate. It’s hard to accept that humans are capable of such horrendous acts and delight in them. As I’ve said before, some terrorists are just psychopaths who use a cause to fulfil their own sick desires. Others are sadly just very angry humans who have been twisted to see the world in a totally different way. It’s shocking and uncomfortable that we are the same but so different. I think adults who are capable of doing those things are unlikely to change with all the interventions out there BUT I don’t know enough to assert that as fact. I know some things about reformed adults on the extreme right who have done horribly violent things but radical Islam is different in that people are willing to die for their beliefs. I do believe, however, that children, especially young children have much more of a chance to change their world view with the right intervention and support. As I said above, in Gaza that includes the removal of Hamas and an education system that promotes peace. It also includes being treated as equal by Israel because they cannot be punished for the decisions of adults. They cannot be held accountable for violence they never took part in. They are victim of Hamas and of Israel. Hamas must go. So that leaves Israel to look out for them until a new government is in place. If no one looks out for them, you can guarantee Hamas or whatever comes next will be ready and waiting for traumatised or orphaned children to sign up because at least they make them feel like they belong.

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I agree with much of your post. Agreed that the deradicalisation of Palestinians is essential. I just wonder how you get there though. First of all why is it Israel's responsibility to deradicalise Palestinians, but more importantly what is the mechanism for it to happen. Surely they would just be accused of variations on 'imperialism'? As you say a new regime in Gaza is essential and that is what everyone from the powers in the region, the international community to the banner wavers. How different things might have been if 'Free Gaza from Hamas' had ignited people's imaginations.

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SharonEllis · 05/09/2025 07:07

Spot on @dairydebris.

thelovelyview · 05/09/2025 08:08

If people who hate the cruelty that Israel are meting out are on another planet, then it must be a very crowded one. Israel is a small country. Practically nobody is on your side any more, really.

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 08:16

SharonEllis · 05/09/2025 06:47

I agree with much of your post. Agreed that the deradicalisation of Palestinians is essential. I just wonder how you get there though. First of all why is it Israel's responsibility to deradicalise Palestinians, but more importantly what is the mechanism for it to happen. Surely they would just be accused of variations on 'imperialism'? As you say a new regime in Gaza is essential and that is what everyone from the powers in the region, the international community to the banner wavers. How different things might have been if 'Free Gaza from Hamas' had ignited people's imaginations.

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So I think it is predominantly the new government in Gaza who should lead on the education reform BUT collaborating with Israel which is in Israel’s best interests. Obviously this would need new leadership on both sides too - more moderate and willing to have close ties so there isn’t an us/them narrative. This is all wishful thinking obviously because I am very worried that a new government won’t be Palestinian and the violence is going to be going on for a long time BUT if Palestinians and Israeli children were taught respect and equality towards one another and the extremists content was banned or, perhaps at the right age, detailed and condemned in the right way, it could help steer both countries in the right direction.

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 08:19

BelleHathor · 05/09/2025 00:03

As are those coming up with unevidenced "theories" to provide cover for the IDF.

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Just to clarify, you believe people who haven’t fallen for Hamas propaganda are ‘psychotic demons’. ‘Evil’. ‘Pure evil’.

How very offensive and extreme, and probably the worst way to describe anybody.

What would you describe Hamas as?

Disbelievers are worse than them?

The IDF are worse than them?

dairydebris · 05/09/2025 08:25

thelovelyview · 05/09/2025 08:08

If people who hate the cruelty that Israel are meting out are on another planet, then it must be a very crowded one. Israel is a small country. Practically nobody is on your side any more, really.

What has the cruelty Israel Israel are meting out got to do with the deaths of the Bibas children?

Do you believe one caused the other? Are they in some way linked?

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 08:39

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 08:16

So I think it is predominantly the new government in Gaza who should lead on the education reform BUT collaborating with Israel which is in Israel’s best interests. Obviously this would need new leadership on both sides too - more moderate and willing to have close ties so there isn’t an us/them narrative. This is all wishful thinking obviously because I am very worried that a new government won’t be Palestinian and the violence is going to be going on for a long time BUT if Palestinians and Israeli children were taught respect and equality towards one another and the extremists content was banned or, perhaps at the right age, detailed and condemned in the right way, it could help steer both countries in the right direction.

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I think it should be quite simple to not teach Palestinian children to want to kill Jews or that becoming a martyr by killing them is better than living tbh. I’m not sure why Israel is needed to collaborate in that as I understood the level of education among Palestinians is extremely high.

I personally hope Bibi stays in power for another term at least.

The moderates in Israel have tried to appease terrorists whose only interest is in killing them not peace, for far too long.

Israel needs a strong leader reinforcing peace through strength to crush the Iranian terror axis so the threat to Israel is gone once and for all.

A ‘moderate’ wouldn’t have the balls.

The new government of Gaza certainly won’t be Palestinian. Did you not see what happened the last time they elected a new government?

They need to show they want to live peacefully alongside Israel first.

Israel doesn’t need to be steered in the right direction. Their response to Palestinian terrorism wouldn’t happen if there was none.

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 09:08

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 08:39

I think it should be quite simple to not teach Palestinian children to want to kill Jews or that becoming a martyr by killing them is better than living tbh. I’m not sure why Israel is needed to collaborate in that as I understood the level of education among Palestinians is extremely high.

I personally hope Bibi stays in power for another term at least.

The moderates in Israel have tried to appease terrorists whose only interest is in killing them not peace, for far too long.

Israel needs a strong leader reinforcing peace through strength to crush the Iranian terror axis so the threat to Israel is gone once and for all.

A ‘moderate’ wouldn’t have the balls.

The new government of Gaza certainly won’t be Palestinian. Did you not see what happened the last time they elected a new government?

They need to show they want to live peacefully alongside Israel first.

Israel doesn’t need to be steered in the right direction. Their response to Palestinian terrorism wouldn’t happen if there was none.

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I’m not sure why Israel is needed to collaborate
Because it’s modelling good relations and trust and enables them to help protect their citizens through education. It’s really not complicated.

I personally hope Bibi stays in power for another term at least. Alongside his right wing extremists?

The moderates in Israel have tried to appease terrorists whose only interest is in killing them not peace, for far too long. Wait, I’m confused. I thought you wanted BN to stay? Now you’re saying he’s part of the problem?! He helped Hamas out for years. So are we team BN or not?

Israel needs a strong leader reinforcing peace through strength to crush the Iranian terror axis so the threat to Israel is gone once and for all.
How did that ‘peace through crushing the other side’ go in the war on terror? Afghanistan is a success story, right? Zero terrorists there. And ISIS popped out nowhere…. It’s like violence leads to more extremism.

The new government of Gaza certainly won’t be Palestinian. Did you not see what happened the last time they elected a new government?
In 2006? So we’re aiming for a more prescriptive future by focusing on two decades ago. And no discussion why Hamas won either, I see. Pointless trying to analyse why extremism took hold in Gaza, right? So should Israel be in charge then? That’s definitely going to reduce the chance of terrorism.

They need to show they want to live peacefully alongside Israel?
After what they’ve been through? You don’t think some might want to retaliate like Israel did after 7/10? They’re expected to just accept the loss of their children or parents, their homes and communities? Just accept the rhetoric Israeli politicians have used about them and feel warm and fuzzy about Israel suddenly? Accept that their child or sibling or partner who died of starvation wasn’t actually starving? Do you know anything about psychology or radicalism? Speaking of which, are Israel going to show willingness to live peacefully too? Banning settlers might be a solid start.

Israel doesn’t need to be steered in the right direction. So the violence and extremism will continue. Are you in the arms business by any chance?

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 10:49

The threat to Israel??? Israel is out of control, attacking every surrounding country. Now as we speak it is sending remote controlled armed vehicles filled with explosives into refugee camps in Gaza - attacking people they have already displaced and starved. Read that again. It is beyond horror. This military hardware will then be paraded at arms fares as battle proven and real life tested. In their laboratory of Gaza. It is an unimaginably grotesque situation.
The western media show none of this (why I wonder ) but look outside of this sphere into global media and the truth is there for us all to see. And we do see it. And once we see, we can never unsee.

Israel’s actions are an abomination and indefensible and no amount of pontificating hides this truth from the world. Whether we are genocide scholars, doctors, shop workers or dock workers, we see it. Every day.

dairydebris · 05/09/2025 10:54

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 10:49

The threat to Israel??? Israel is out of control, attacking every surrounding country. Now as we speak it is sending remote controlled armed vehicles filled with explosives into refugee camps in Gaza - attacking people they have already displaced and starved. Read that again. It is beyond horror. This military hardware will then be paraded at arms fares as battle proven and real life tested. In their laboratory of Gaza. It is an unimaginably grotesque situation.
The western media show none of this (why I wonder ) but look outside of this sphere into global media and the truth is there for us all to see. And we do see it. And once we see, we can never unsee.

Israel’s actions are an abomination and indefensible and no amount of pontificating hides this truth from the world. Whether we are genocide scholars, doctors, shop workers or dock workers, we see it. Every day.

This sounds awful. Whats your source?

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 11:30

It’s not difficult to find on news outside the western media. You can fact check. Try Al Jazeera’s piece on Israeli testing weapons in Palestinian laboratory, available on YouTube for example. There have been several pieces on this from various sources. I used to be a huge fan of the bbc but now follow other media as bbc does not report on any of this.

Also look at reports from the Pulitzer Centre, Middle East Monitor, SETA, Anadolu Ajansi, Zeteo news. Anything that is not mainstream. The latest incendiary weapon report has just been released by Palestine network. Obviously, in the absence of Western journalists on the ground (why I wonder?), the incredible Palestinian journalists who are being systematically targeted and murdered by Israel btw, are the first and only ones to get this out to the global press.

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dairydebris · 05/09/2025 11:45

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 11:30

It’s not difficult to find on news outside the western media. You can fact check. Try Al Jazeera’s piece on Israeli testing weapons in Palestinian laboratory, available on YouTube for example. There have been several pieces on this from various sources. I used to be a huge fan of the bbc but now follow other media as bbc does not report on any of this.

Also look at reports from the Pulitzer Centre, Middle East Monitor, SETA, Anadolu Ajansi, Zeteo news. Anything that is not mainstream. The latest incendiary weapon report has just been released by Palestine network. Obviously, in the absence of Western journalists on the ground (why I wonder?), the incredible Palestinian journalists who are being systematically targeted and murdered by Israel btw, are the first and only ones to get this out to the global press.

I haven't got 1h to watch an al jazeera documentary. Im really interested in your source for this;

Now as we speak it is sending remote controlled armed vehicles filled with explosives into refugee camps in Gaza - attacking people they have already displaced and starved.

Whats your source for this assertion?

SharonEllis · 05/09/2025 11:52

dairydebris · 05/09/2025 11:45

I haven't got 1h to watch an al jazeera documentary. Im really interested in your source for this;

Now as we speak it is sending remote controlled armed vehicles filled with explosives into refugee camps in Gaza - attacking people they have already displaced and starved.

Whats your source for this assertion?

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Yes I would be very interested in that. As it is 'now as we speak' presumably these is a live link of some sort.

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 11:59

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 11:30

It’s not difficult to find on news outside the western media. You can fact check. Try Al Jazeera’s piece on Israeli testing weapons in Palestinian laboratory, available on YouTube for example. There have been several pieces on this from various sources. I used to be a huge fan of the bbc but now follow other media as bbc does not report on any of this.

Also look at reports from the Pulitzer Centre, Middle East Monitor, SETA, Anadolu Ajansi, Zeteo news. Anything that is not mainstream. The latest incendiary weapon report has just been released by Palestine network. Obviously, in the absence of Western journalists on the ground (why I wonder?), the incredible Palestinian journalists who are being systematically targeted and murdered by Israel btw, are the first and only ones to get this out to the global press.

Goodness me, and some people are lambasted on this board for using bias sources!

Al Jazeera (funded by Qatar), Zeteo News ( Medhi Hassan), Anadolu Ajansi (Turkish state run media), Middle East Monitor (Qatar), SETA (Turkey), Pulitzer Centre (Lefties).

Maybe you should expand your reading resources.

Do you read any Israeli sources for balance?

As for Palestinian journalists, do you the think the ones who are not Hamas mouthpieces, can be unbias?

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:07

7 children killed by Israeli drone in safe zone while collecting water

https://youtube.com/shorts/hMgayVGcKho

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https://youtube.com/shorts/hMgayVGcKho

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:16

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 11:30

It’s not difficult to find on news outside the western media. You can fact check. Try Al Jazeera’s piece on Israeli testing weapons in Palestinian laboratory, available on YouTube for example. There have been several pieces on this from various sources. I used to be a huge fan of the bbc but now follow other media as bbc does not report on any of this.

Also look at reports from the Pulitzer Centre, Middle East Monitor, SETA, Anadolu Ajansi, Zeteo news. Anything that is not mainstream. The latest incendiary weapon report has just been released by Palestine network. Obviously, in the absence of Western journalists on the ground (why I wonder?), the incredible Palestinian journalists who are being systematically targeted and murdered by Israel btw, are the first and only ones to get this out to the global press.

Double down news, Novara media, the intercept, the greyzone, Katie Halper show, Declassified UK, Owen Jones also all good sources of information.

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 12:16

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:07

7 children killed by Israeli drone in safe zone while collecting water

https://youtube.com/shorts/hMgayVGcKho

No evidence for these claims as usual.

The propaganda is ramping up now because of Israel’s operations in Gaza City and Hamas’ forthcoming defeat.

I wish too that young boy could be like other children in the world, studying and having a childhood.

Sadly his elders elected and supported an evil terrorist government and this is the result.

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 12:20

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:16

Double down news, Novara media, the intercept, the greyzone, Katie Halper show, Declassified UK, Owen Jones also all good sources of information.

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Owen Jones?

honestreporting.com/the-dangerous-lies-of-guardian-columnist-owen-jones-about-israel-hamas-war/

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:21

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 12:16

No evidence for these claims as usual.

The propaganda is ramping up now because of Israel’s operations in Gaza City and Hamas’ forthcoming defeat.

I wish too that young boy could be like other children in the world, studying and having a childhood.

Sadly his elders elected and supported an evil terrorist government and this is the result.

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The videos shown are not evidence? You think Hamas are just murdering children in Israeli declared safe zones and everyone there is letting them and just blaming Israel when it is actually Hamas?

There is evidence of drone strikes on children on video.

You don't believe the multiple clear evidence in the case of Hind Rajab so I doubt unless you actually saw it with your own eyes that you would ever believe it - luckily most people are not so blinkered.

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:25

Actual drone footage
https://youtube.com/shorts/dTHkwcx2G-w

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/dTHkwcx2G-w