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Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:15

An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.
Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion. The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

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TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:28

I'll read it later. What did he lie about?

Of course there will be smear campaigns against people that are exposing the truth and no-one is infallible.

I do think propaganda will likely exist on both sides, I just happen to believe that there is significantly more evidence and credibility against Israel than on Israel's side.

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:32

https://youtube.com/shorts/FJzh3xRbfy8

Content warning this is a difficult watch.

dairydebris · 05/09/2025 12:46

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:28

I'll read it later. What did he lie about?

Of course there will be smear campaigns against people that are exposing the truth and no-one is infallible.

I do think propaganda will likely exist on both sides, I just happen to believe that there is significantly more evidence and credibility against Israel than on Israel's side.

Why do you think there is significantly more evidence and credibility against Israel than on Israels side?

In a conflict like this I'd expect lies and propaganda from both sides.

But to take the word of Hamas over Israel seems odd? In what way are Pro Palestinian voices more to be trusted than Pro Israel voices?

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:53

dairydebris · 05/09/2025 12:46

Why do you think there is significantly more evidence and credibility against Israel than on Israels side?

In a conflict like this I'd expect lies and propaganda from both sides.

But to take the word of Hamas over Israel seems odd? In what way are Pro Palestinian voices more to be trusted than Pro Israel voices?

I'm not taking the word of Hamas.

Ive covered why I believe Israel has no credibility in posts earlier in this thread, providing a number of proven lies.

I believe the evidence shows there is famine and indiscriminate bombing and targeting of civilians. I believe the UN and humanitarian agencies.

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 13:05

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:53

I'm not taking the word of Hamas.

Ive covered why I believe Israel has no credibility in posts earlier in this thread, providing a number of proven lies.

I believe the evidence shows there is famine and indiscriminate bombing and targeting of civilians. I believe the UN and humanitarian agencies.

I think that there’s an issue with any anti-Israel info (from charities or medics who have seen things first hand) being immediately deemed Hamas propaganda. Sources that are believed in other areas (eg confirming famine in Sudan) are suddenly not to be trusted when they do the same in Gaza. I think it’s important to remember that one can be anti-Israel (extremism, policies and rhetoric) without being either a terrorist or someone desperate to bring down the state of Israel. A lot of charities with long standing relationships with Palestinians are anti Israel because they have seen the impact Israel has had on the Palestinians long before the war (not relations with Hamas - everyday Palestinians. Let’s all keep the difference in mind).

Similarly, in what world would a medic working there for and seeing the reality of the situation not condemn Israel’s actions when they’re seeing the horrific results of it. Being pro-Palestinian simply means thinking about the people stuck between Hamas and Israel. I’ve said it before but I find it bizarre that the narrative is either you’re pro Israel or pro Palestinians. You should be able to be both but one side is making that very hard.

Lolapusht · 05/09/2025 13:05

X is a ridiculed source by those quoting Wikipedia & Al Jazeera…😳

Lolapusht · 05/09/2025 13:06

…and Owen Jones as a “good source”!

Beachtastic · 05/09/2025 13:26

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:25

Do they look like children to you?

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 13:31

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 12:16

No evidence for these claims as usual.

The propaganda is ramping up now because of Israel’s operations in Gaza City and Hamas’ forthcoming defeat.

I wish too that young boy could be like other children in the world, studying and having a childhood.

Sadly his elders elected and supported an evil terrorist government and this is the result.

Not all Palestinians in 2006 votes for Hamas. Not all Palestinians support Hamas. No children should be paying for the things their parents or grandparents did or did not do.

dairydebris · 05/09/2025 13:35

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:53

I'm not taking the word of Hamas.

Ive covered why I believe Israel has no credibility in posts earlier in this thread, providing a number of proven lies.

I believe the evidence shows there is famine and indiscriminate bombing and targeting of civilians. I believe the UN and humanitarian agencies.

The way you worded it was this-

"I do think propaganda will likely exist on both sides, I just happen to believe that there is significantly more evidence and credibility against Israel than on Israel's side."

It just sounds a lot like you just disbelieve everything thats Pro Israel because.... its pro Israel?

Surely each story and source must be taken on its own merit, rather than just discounting out of hand everything thats 'on Israels side'?

Because otherwise isnt it just prejudice?

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 13:36

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:25

Are you actually being serious?

That is the most ridiculous thing, to say they were children, I have ever seen.

How did whoever posted the drone footage get it from the IDF?

You do know Hamas have drones as well?

SharonEllis · 05/09/2025 13:40

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:16

Double down news, Novara media, the intercept, the greyzone, Katie Halper show, Declassified UK, Owen Jones also all good sources of information.

😂

Tryonemoretime · 05/09/2025 13:42

Kakeandkake · 04/09/2025 22:46

They are fighting a losing battle.

I visited a hospital children's ward recently and one area had flags of lots of countries. Guess which countries flag they didn't have? Russia and Israel. I did see the flag of Palestine 🇵🇸 hanged up. It would have been insulting to the patients to have the flag of Israel - a country that has and is continuing to murder thousands of innocent children.

And the little Israeli baby and his toddler brother? Strangled by a Hamas 'warrior' with his bare hands? That's up close and personal.
Don't get me wrong. The death of any child is evil - but if Hamas wins, there will be no more Israel. And every Israeli baby and child is likely to look up into the eyes of his / her murderer as they struggle for breath.

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 13:45

Look at Europe.Palestinian network info on latest weaponry used to bomb Palestinian civilians. Yes now. Yes today.

Discrediting Palestinian sources is an essential part of the attempt to silence witnesses and hide the crimes, as is the slaughter of Palestinian journalists and photojournalists. However, there is a mountain of footage and eye witness reportage out there, including from European doctors and surgeons, all of which will be eventually used as evidence in the international court. As I said the world can see. Gaslighting days are over.

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 13:49

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dairydebris · 05/09/2025 13:50

Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 13:45

Look at Europe.Palestinian network info on latest weaponry used to bomb Palestinian civilians. Yes now. Yes today.

Discrediting Palestinian sources is an essential part of the attempt to silence witnesses and hide the crimes, as is the slaughter of Palestinian journalists and photojournalists. However, there is a mountain of footage and eye witness reportage out there, including from European doctors and surgeons, all of which will be eventually used as evidence in the international court. As I said the world can see. Gaslighting days are over.

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Please link to your source for this claim-

"Now as we speak it is sending remote controlled armed vehicles filled with explosives into refugee camps in Gaza - attacking people they have already displaced and starved."

Its an accusation you made, and I'd like to know if Israel are actually doing that. It sounds fucking terrible.

Thanks.

Kakeandkake · 05/09/2025 13:59

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It's a good thing most people including the hospital don't share your views.

They had the flag of Palestine 🇵🇸 up with pride!

🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

Everexpanding · 05/09/2025 14:01

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Everexpanding · 05/09/2025 14:07

Israel has a long history of retaining Palestinian corpses, both sides do, from long before October 7th

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CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 14:29

Kakeandkake · 05/09/2025 13:59

It's a good thing most people including the hospital don't share your views.

They had the flag of Palestine 🇵🇸 up with pride!

🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

What is there to be proud of, in the flag of Palestine, in the UK?

Am I missing something? Please explain?

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 14:31

Everexpanding · 05/09/2025 14:07

Israel has a long history of retaining Palestinian corpses, both sides do, from long before October 7th

Actually comparing a baby and toddler taken hostage and murdered in captivity, with terrorists killed while carrying out terrorist attacks.

This just gets more and more insane.

dairydebris · 05/09/2025 14:43

TulipLavender · 05/09/2025 12:53

I'm not taking the word of Hamas.

Ive covered why I believe Israel has no credibility in posts earlier in this thread, providing a number of proven lies.

I believe the evidence shows there is famine and indiscriminate bombing and targeting of civilians. I believe the UN and humanitarian agencies.

By the way Tulip, in your post above you said you think its more likely that the Bibas children were killed by an Israeli bomb than murdered by hand.

Do you remember the poster? BN as a vampire? And the words on the poster- " The War Criminal Netanyahu and his Nazi army killed them with missiles from Zionist Warplan"

Remember that?

Literally you believing Hamas over Israel about the murder of 2 innocent children.

Here's what you said again in quotes.

" I find it no more disgusting that the thousands of Palestinian children bombed to death by Israel which is what most likely happened to them also.

I find it highly unlikely that they can tell the cause of death after 3 months of decomposition. It wouldn't be in Hamas' interest to strangle them to death but it is in Israel's interest to say that this is what Hamas did. I haven't seen any evidence to support that conclusion."

I'm still absolutely gobsmacked that you posted that tbh.

Lolapusht · 05/09/2025 14:44

The links to videos that have been posted to evidence Israel is killing children in drone attacks do not evidence such a claim.

The first seems to be a news piece that quotes the parents/“authorities” who say it was the IDF, but it also says the IDF deny operating in the area of the “aid site” where the children were apparently collecting water. So which version do you believe and why.

The drone footage is difficult to make out so impossible to say if the individuals were children. Adults? Teenagers? There’s no context nor identifying information eg where/when in Gaza was it filmed so it’s not verified. Again, what do you believe and why?

Lolapusht · 05/09/2025 14:48

This poster?

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say
Ellen2shoes · 05/09/2025 14:49

It certainly does. According to MSF to quote but one, Israel has killed over 60,000 people in a Gaza in just 2 years. Half of these are children. Think of the premature babies left in incubators to die in the bombed out hospitals. 30,000 children and that is considered to be a vast underestimate. So many bodies are still buried under the rubble. Then there are the thousands maimed, still being starved and still being mercilessly bombed in their tents. It is heinously insane. These are innocent children. Israel has been killing an average of 28 children a day for 2 years.