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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:15

An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.
Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion. The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say

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SharonEllis · 10/09/2025 20:17

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 19:03

My point is that, judging by the justifications some are giving here for Israel’s actions, by the same logic the Irish could have been ‘justified’ in massive retaliation for the famine and land theft they suffered under British rule. Two wrongs still don’t make a right.

The question was should Northern Ireland have been bombed in the 80s. That analogy was irrelevant for the reasons I set out. Now you want to talk about the UK's historic crimes against Ireland which have no relevance to the matter we are discussing.

PrawnAgain · 10/09/2025 20:19

MumOfManyAliases · 10/09/2025 16:55

Still doesn’t explain why the majority of attention is directed at Gaza and none towards what’s going on in Sudan though.

People care less about black people starving than others.

Can you explain how the fact more attention is directed at Gaza makes a difference whether or not a genocide is being committed there?

Ellen2shoes · 10/09/2025 20:28

There is an element of sadism to it which is particularly chilling and telling in terms of intent, as Dr Nick Maynard has witnessed when working as a doctor there. Children have been targeted in particular areas of their bodies in clusters. For example in one day teenage boys were all shot in their testicles.

www.channel4.com/news/teenagers-being-shot-by-israeli-soldiers-british-surgeon-in-gaza

Ellen2shoes · 10/09/2025 21:05

PinkBobby · 10/09/2025 08:19

Interesting - what about agricultural areas being flattened? Or even just saving hospitals because they can’t evacuate them fully? I get that some buildings are being used by Hamas but I feel that the hospitals in question have been, first and foremost, hospitals looking after sick and injured people. And I understand destroying buildings to access the tunnels but do you have to flatten everything then go in and destroy tunnels? Or, as I said, destroy agricultural areas where there are no tunnel entrances?

And the death rate question is tbc - no accurate figures available yet. I find it interesting that Israel say Hamas numbers are wrong but don’t provide any of their own information to try and balance out the propaganda. Either, they don’t know how much harm they are doing with all this destruction or they know and don’t want to share the figures.

I found @Cinnyris link to the Jewish Current piece on the contextual history of citing human shields as defence to be very helpful on this.

hkathy · 11/09/2025 13:19

PrawnAgain · 10/09/2025 20:19

People care less about black people starving than others.

Can you explain how the fact more attention is directed at Gaza makes a difference whether or not a genocide is being committed there?

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Yes and our tax money is funding this genocide. We are complicit. It’s not Jewish exceptionalism, it’s Western exceptionalism.

dairydebris · 11/09/2025 13:30

hkathy · 11/09/2025 13:19

Yes and our tax money is funding this genocide. We are complicit. It’s not Jewish exceptionalism, it’s Western exceptionalism.

How is our tax funding this genocide?

And if we are complicit as you say, because of choices our government is making, are Gazans complicit in what Hamas is doing? Are Russians complicit in what Putin is doing? Is a cleaner in Shanghai complicit in the ongoing genocide of the Uyghurs?

And how is it Western exceptionalism, given that Israel is Middle Eastern, not Western?

Everexpanding · 11/09/2025 19:06

“The World Health Organization's Deputy Director General said he is almost "entirely disillusioned with the world" as the women, children and men of Gaza are abandoned.
Dr Mike Ryan said there are certain crises in which circumstances make it difficult to bring assistance to those in need, but this is not the case in Gaza.
"This is a tiny, easily accessible area but we cannot get basic supplies in, and children are being intentionally starved as a weapon of war," he said.”

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Ellen2shoes · 13/09/2025 22:49

There is new data coming out all the time as numbers of deaths are being realised. It is an abomination. Let journalists in!

hkathy · 14/09/2025 23:37

dairydebris · 11/09/2025 13:30

How is our tax funding this genocide?

And if we are complicit as you say, because of choices our government is making, are Gazans complicit in what Hamas is doing? Are Russians complicit in what Putin is doing? Is a cleaner in Shanghai complicit in the ongoing genocide of the Uyghurs?

And how is it Western exceptionalism, given that Israel is Middle Eastern, not Western?

We are complicit in that our government is licensing arms to Israel, our publicly funded universities actively engage in R&D which benefits Israel, and our publicly funded public services are complying with communications and security sharing with Israel. In fact the university I teach in is actively involved in developing communications tech sponsored by companies such as BAE systems.

Parts for military jets, radars, communications, small ammunitions, armoured vehicles, technology used for precision and drones. All licenced by the UK for the benefit of Israel, despite these being used to commit war crimes.

So when your taxes are being spent on illegal acts of war you do not have the right to kick up a fuss?

And Israel has for a long time established itself as a place of western values in the Middle East, with liberal values and ‘friendly place for LGBT’, membership of OECD, western media engagement, close US and EU relationships, positioning itself as ‘a bastion of democracy and freedom amongst the chaos of the middle east’ etc etc. So its exceptionalism is Western, because it is perceived as such.

Tryonemoretime · 15/09/2025 08:48

Hasn't Qarar been funding Hamas for years? The money for those huge tunnels had to come from somewhere.

quantumbutterfly · 15/09/2025 09:42

Tryonemoretime · 15/09/2025 08:48

Hasn't Qarar been funding Hamas for years? The money for those huge tunnels had to come from somewhere.

Turkey is quite supportive too. Lots of hamas real estate in Turkey according to Panorama.
Qatar also fund a lot of higher education in 'the west'. Of course there are many advocates on this board that use their buying power politically, they don't have quite as much as Qatar though.

thelovelyview · 16/09/2025 17:47

Everexpanding · 11/09/2025 19:06

“The World Health Organization's Deputy Director General said he is almost "entirely disillusioned with the world" as the women, children and men of Gaza are abandoned.
Dr Mike Ryan said there are certain crises in which circumstances make it difficult to bring assistance to those in need, but this is not the case in Gaza.
"This is a tiny, easily accessible area but we cannot get basic supplies in, and children are being intentionally starved as a weapon of war," he said.”

Just hideous to read. I’m so disgusted by Israel.

PinkBobby · 16/09/2025 18:42

Tryonemoretime · 15/09/2025 08:48

Hasn't Qarar been funding Hamas for years? The money for those huge tunnels had to come from somewhere.

Kind of - they made an agreement with Israel to let X amount into Gaza a year. And the US asked Qatar to house Hamas politicians to aid diplomacy talks. Israel, the US and Qatar agreed on all of these things so Qatar shouldn’t necessarily be seen as the ‘enemy’.

Tryonemoretime · 16/09/2025 19:42

Everexpanding · 11/09/2025 19:06

“The World Health Organization's Deputy Director General said he is almost "entirely disillusioned with the world" as the women, children and men of Gaza are abandoned.
Dr Mike Ryan said there are certain crises in which circumstances make it difficult to bring assistance to those in need, but this is not the case in Gaza.
"This is a tiny, easily accessible area but we cannot get basic supplies in, and children are being intentionally starved as a weapon of war," he said.”

The children are being starved - while Hamas soldiers aren't? And Hamas leaders are being well fed in Qatar?

GladioliGreen · 16/09/2025 20:10

Tryonemoretime · 16/09/2025 19:42

The children are being starved - while Hamas soldiers aren't? And Hamas leaders are being well fed in Qatar?

At the end of the day the UN have been clear on this. The starving children are starving because of Israel. Israel are responsible for Israels actions, they have chosen to starve children as part of their genocidal campaign whether or not they will pay a price for their atrocities remains to be seen.

"The responsibility for these atrocity crimes lies with the Israeli authorities at the highest echelons," said Navi Pillay, the chair of the commission.

YourBrightSnake · 16/09/2025 20:20

GladioliGreen · 16/09/2025 20:10

At the end of the day the UN have been clear on this. The starving children are starving because of Israel. Israel are responsible for Israels actions, they have chosen to starve children as part of their genocidal campaign whether or not they will pay a price for their atrocities remains to be seen.

"The responsibility for these atrocity crimes lies with the Israeli authorities at the highest echelons," said Navi Pillay, the chair of the commission.

This might be true, but the UN are so partial you just can't believe anything they say.

GladioliGreen · 16/09/2025 20:31

YourBrightSnake · 16/09/2025 20:20

This might be true, but the UN are so partial you just can't believe anything they say.

They spent almost 2 years investigating what is happening in Gaza so I would say that they have a better idea than most what is happening there.

When the commission previously concluded that Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups committed war crimes and other grave violations of international law on 7 October 2023 nobody doubted their credentials.

I think when all major NGOs and the UN conclude that Israel are committing genocide there is a pretty good chance that they are right and we should listen to them.

KoalaKoKo · 16/09/2025 20:39

Tryonemoretime · 16/09/2025 19:42

The children are being starved - while Hamas soldiers aren't? And Hamas leaders are being well fed in Qatar?

Your name is quite fitting! Palestinian children are starving because the IDF blew up the farmlands, shoot people if they try to fish and blocked all food coming into the region. They even bombed aid warehouses. Simple. It is also well documented that children starve faster than adults so there is no great conspiracy on why children are starving faster.

A team of experts have analysed the evidence and concluded that Israel have committed genocide and there is a famine. Several Israeli government officials have expressed a desire to get rid of the Palestinians, have advocated for a blockade on food entering the strip, IDF soldiers have boasted about shooting the Palestinians - there are endless videos of murder, of starvation, of dehumanising the population. The IDF did this while the majority of Israeli citizens did not protest (though there were some brilliant courageous citizens who did). It was the IDF and the Israeli government who committed these war crimes and hopefully we will see them behind bars soon.

Ellen2shoes · 17/09/2025 21:08

It cannot be soon enough. The process will take years. Palestinians are being massacred daily. The suffering inflicted upon these people is unimaginably horrific and it could be stopped now if our governments weren’t so invested in funding it.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/09/2025 22:59

What is Gaza City being razed to the ground and all the people from there expelled going to achieve that will so change everything for Israel? When they’ve done that they’ll still think they have to do something else. It is as though they are crazed and headless.

GladioliGreen · 18/09/2025 00:08

Have scholars for Israel or scholars for genocide or whatever that hastily put together group who were insisting there was nothing to see in Gaza are called said anything about the UN report?

Everexpanding · 18/09/2025 14:13

I saw that Pasly, hopefullly he will end up in The Hague one day, what a disgusting man

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Pasly · 18/09/2025 14:06

That man is a criminal.

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