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dairydebris · 22/08/2025 21:00

Ah, I see youre confused, obviously 80% of Palestinians haven't been murdered, youre just mangling the stats.

I dont think you can explain what you meant saying that the end of this genocide is later than Hitlers either, can you?

I guess we can all just draw our own conclusions. Gn.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 22/08/2025 21:02

dairydebris · 22/08/2025 21:00

Ah, I see youre confused, obviously 80% of Palestinians haven't been murdered, youre just mangling the stats.

I dont think you can explain what you meant saying that the end of this genocide is later than Hitlers either, can you?

I guess we can all just draw our own conclusions. Gn.

I have explained - you seem intent on misunderstanding so it is what it is

I've said all I have to say tbh - and the stats speak for themselves, they dont need to be mangled.

Peace to the Palestinians ❤️

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 21:07

Wornout82 · 22/08/2025 20:43

The award-winning Israeli author David Grossman has described his country’s campaign in Gaza as a genocide and said he now “can’t help” but use the term.

“I ask myself: how did we get here?” the celebrated writer and peace activist told the Italian daily La Repubblica in an interview published on Friday.

“How did we come to be accused of genocide? Just uttering that word – ‘genocide’ – in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, that alone, the fact that this association can even be made, should be enough to tell us that something very wrong is happening to us.””

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/01/david-grossman-israel-committing-genocide-gaza#:~:text=The%20award%2Dwinning%20Israeli%20author,an%20interview%20published%20on%20Friday.

Also I think these 380 authors have read a few books:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/28/gaza-letter-genocide-zadie-smith-ian-mcewan

And if you are looking for a good read, I’d recommend ‘The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’ by Israeli historian Professor Ilan Pappe.

Strangely a huge number of academics, authors, historians, legal rights experts, over a hundred human rights organisations around the world have loudly condemned Israel and using the words genocide, war crimes, enforced starvation. But I am sure they are all a bit thick too.

Israel is not faultless but using terms like genocide, apartheid etc are so incrediby
inaccurate and simplistic. If Israel - which has one of the best militaries and intelligence services in the world - wanted to commit actual genocide it could in a day. Everyone already hates them, what would they have to lose?

I could list the names of academics, authors and others who support Israel and its right
to defend itself against terrorism. Give Douglass Murray a listen. He actually knows what he’s talking about.

Mercurial123 · 22/08/2025 21:13

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 21:07

Israel is not faultless but using terms like genocide, apartheid etc are so incrediby
inaccurate and simplistic. If Israel - which has one of the best militaries and intelligence services in the world - wanted to commit actual genocide it could in a day. Everyone already hates them, what would they have to lose?

I could list the names of academics, authors and others who support Israel and its right
to defend itself against terrorism. Give Douglass Murray a listen. He actually knows what he’s talking about.

Douglas Murray is a right wing, anti Islamic. He has a veneer of respectability with his appearance and speaks well. It doesn't take much to work out his extreme beliefs.

bylinetimes.com/2024/08/19/hate-sells-the-spectator-cannot-defend-douglas-murray-but-it-wont-sack-him/

SharonEllis · 22/08/2025 21:19

Do you believe 83% of Palestiniams have died? Is that what you think?

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 21:19

Updates from places in Gaza that aren’t even designated as areas of famine yet. Very upsetting images whilst Netenyahu insists there is no hunger/famine/starvation. So dehumanising.

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Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 21:20

Mercurial123 · 22/08/2025 21:13

Douglas Murray is a right wing, anti Islamic. He has a veneer of respectability with his appearance and speaks well. It doesn't take much to work out his extreme beliefs.

bylinetimes.com/2024/08/19/hate-sells-the-spectator-cannot-defend-douglas-murray-but-it-wont-sack-him/

He’s anti Islamic fundamentalism, as we should all be.

Mercurial123 · 22/08/2025 21:29

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 21:20

He’s anti Islamic fundamentalism, as we should all be.

He's anti Islam but you carry on spinning your lies

Enrichetta · 22/08/2025 21:38

SharonEllis · 22/08/2025 21:19

Do you believe 83% of Palestiniams have died? Is that what you think?

Now you are just being ridiculous. The article is very clear - maybe you should read it.

SharonEllis · 22/08/2025 21:41

Enrichetta · 22/08/2025 21:38

Now you are just being ridiculous. The article is very clear - maybe you should read it.

Of course its ridiculous. My question was to @mumofoneAloneandwell who seems very confused, and unwilling to explain what she means.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 21:45

I'm usually a little scared to post on these threads.
I don't want to say I'm pro gaza, anti Israel.
It's far too complicated for me, like most people I'd love to see peace, all over the world.
I 💯 am aware that Israel has been blocking aid.
Here's my question, why is there evidence of starving DC, when many of the adults are not, I have been looking at the photographs in the media.
Take Bisan, a reporter from Gaza, she has put on weight, a lot of the men look healthy, maybe the men are hamas , if so, they're not sharing food with starving children, are they starving the children.
Not trying to be goady.

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 21:49

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 21:45

I'm usually a little scared to post on these threads.
I don't want to say I'm pro gaza, anti Israel.
It's far too complicated for me, like most people I'd love to see peace, all over the world.
I 💯 am aware that Israel has been blocking aid.
Here's my question, why is there evidence of starving DC, when many of the adults are not, I have been looking at the photographs in the media.
Take Bisan, a reporter from Gaza, she has put on weight, a lot of the men look healthy, maybe the men are hamas , if so, they're not sharing food with starving children, are they starving the children.
Not trying to be goady.

Children and vulnerable people more generally show the signs of starvation first. There’s also different levels of malnutrition across the area.

Wornout82 · 22/08/2025 21:55

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 21:45

I'm usually a little scared to post on these threads.
I don't want to say I'm pro gaza, anti Israel.
It's far too complicated for me, like most people I'd love to see peace, all over the world.
I 💯 am aware that Israel has been blocking aid.
Here's my question, why is there evidence of starving DC, when many of the adults are not, I have been looking at the photographs in the media.
Take Bisan, a reporter from Gaza, she has put on weight, a lot of the men look healthy, maybe the men are hamas , if so, they're not sharing food with starving children, are they starving the children.
Not trying to be goady.

Think about a child’s metabolism versus ours - they are actively growing so need constant fuel to grow bones and muscle. As we age our growing is done and our metabolism slows down. When I was 16 I could drop a stone in two or three weeks if I wanted to, now it would take me 2 or 3 months and a lot more exercise and dieting. When my daughter has a few days of lots of activity she loses any baby fat and goes super slim in days! Children as a result are always the first to die in any famine - they lose it quicker, usually have less body fat in the first place so the body shuts down. Someone shared a link further down the thread from thejournal.ie about what happens to bodies during a famine.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 22/08/2025 21:57

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 21:07

Israel is not faultless but using terms like genocide, apartheid etc are so incrediby
inaccurate and simplistic. If Israel - which has one of the best militaries and intelligence services in the world - wanted to commit actual genocide it could in a day. Everyone already hates them, what would they have to lose?

I could list the names of academics, authors and others who support Israel and its right
to defend itself against terrorism. Give Douglass Murray a listen. He actually knows what he’s talking about.

If Israel - which has one of the best militaries and intelligence services in the world - wanted to commit actual genocide it could in a day.

Nice 1:1 repetition of, quite literally, the internationally wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity Benjamin Netanyahu's latest talking point!

However, that is not how genocide works in practice - never has been. Genocide, as a concept as originally defined by Rafael Lemkin and (in a much narrower version than what he originally envisioned) eventually legally codified, is not about literally killing everybody at once but about destroying a group as a group, in whole or in part. Lemkin started his work on genocide prior to what we now refer to as the "final solution" stage of the Holocaust (Einsatzgruppen; extermination camps) being widely known and based it primarily on his observations of other events in Eastern Europe.

If the definition of genocide you imply here were correct, neither the genocide of the indigenous people of various settler-colonies (think: the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, …) nor, indeed, even the Warsaw Ghetto would be considered genocidal.

"We just need to protect ourselves" has always characterised how perpetrators have framed their genocidal actions. Native resistance preceeded the Trail of Tears. Even the literal Nazis - yes, falsely so - framed their actions as self-protection against the existential threat of supposed "Judeobolshevism".

But arguably the closest parallen to Gaza 2025 is the genocide of the Herero and Nama people in what is now more or less modern day Namibia by German colonial forces: Perpetrated between 1904 and 1908, it was characterised by massacres, ethnic cleansing, concentration camps and, yes, starvation! More than 100 years after the fact, Germany finally acknowledged it and issued an apology.

It was triggered by an attack on German settlers, including civilians.

indoorplantqueen · 22/08/2025 21:59

Watching the footage of the news this evening of the starving children was horrendous. A 9 year old girl weighing 9kilos, less than double the weight my newborn was. This has to stop.

Enrichetta · 22/08/2025 22:08

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 21:45

I'm usually a little scared to post on these threads.
I don't want to say I'm pro gaza, anti Israel.
It's far too complicated for me, like most people I'd love to see peace, all over the world.
I 💯 am aware that Israel has been blocking aid.
Here's my question, why is there evidence of starving DC, when many of the adults are not, I have been looking at the photographs in the media.
Take Bisan, a reporter from Gaza, she has put on weight, a lot of the men look healthy, maybe the men are hamas , if so, they're not sharing food with starving children, are they starving the children.
Not trying to be goady.

Not trying to be goady.

And yet, here you are, suggesting that “they are starving the children”

FFS. How low can you sink.

SharonEllis · 22/08/2025 22:12

Enrichetta · 22/08/2025 22:08

Not trying to be goady.

And yet, here you are, suggesting that “they are starving the children”

FFS. How low can you sink.

You're honestly saying Hamas are not implicated in this?

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 22:14

SomeWomanSomewhere · 22/08/2025 21:57

If Israel - which has one of the best militaries and intelligence services in the world - wanted to commit actual genocide it could in a day.

Nice 1:1 repetition of, quite literally, the internationally wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity Benjamin Netanyahu's latest talking point!

However, that is not how genocide works in practice - never has been. Genocide, as a concept as originally defined by Rafael Lemkin and (in a much narrower version than what he originally envisioned) eventually legally codified, is not about literally killing everybody at once but about destroying a group as a group, in whole or in part. Lemkin started his work on genocide prior to what we now refer to as the "final solution" stage of the Holocaust (Einsatzgruppen; extermination camps) being widely known and based it primarily on his observations of other events in Eastern Europe.

If the definition of genocide you imply here were correct, neither the genocide of the indigenous people of various settler-colonies (think: the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, …) nor, indeed, even the Warsaw Ghetto would be considered genocidal.

"We just need to protect ourselves" has always characterised how perpetrators have framed their genocidal actions. Native resistance preceeded the Trail of Tears. Even the literal Nazis - yes, falsely so - framed their actions as self-protection against the existential threat of supposed "Judeobolshevism".

But arguably the closest parallen to Gaza 2025 is the genocide of the Herero and Nama people in what is now more or less modern day Namibia by German colonial forces: Perpetrated between 1904 and 1908, it was characterised by massacres, ethnic cleansing, concentration camps and, yes, starvation! More than 100 years after the fact, Germany finally acknowledged it and issued an apology.

It was triggered by an attack on German settlers, including civilians.

The Gaza Strip has been under Israeli military occupation since the 50s, so you’re suggesting this ‘genocide’ has been ongoing for 70 years?! In which time the population of Gaza has actually increased? That’s an incredibly ineffective and unsuccessful genocide if ever I saw one.

Maybe, just maybe, Israel is not committing genocide. Maybe it’s at war with a fanatical terrorist regime which uses the Palestinian people as human shields and in the process they get killed. Why do the IDF drop notes to warn Palestinians of imminent attacks? Does this happen in other wars? Why do Israeli doctors treat Palestinian civilians who need medical care?

You have swallowed the prevailing narrative that Israel wants to eradicate the Palestinian people, but the evidence says otherwise. Whether you choose to believe that evidence is up to you.

Wornout82 · 22/08/2025 22:14

indoorplantqueen · 22/08/2025 21:59

Watching the footage of the news this evening of the starving children was horrendous. A 9 year old girl weighing 9kilos, less than double the weight my newborn was. This has to stop.

Jesus my almost 4 year old is around 18kg! My slim nephew was over 30kg at that age.

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 22:16

indoorplantqueen · 22/08/2025 21:59

Watching the footage of the news this evening of the starving children was horrendous. A 9 year old girl weighing 9kilos, less than double the weight my newborn was. This has to stop.

Incredibly sad. Shame on Hamas

Wornout82 · 22/08/2025 22:17

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 22:14

The Gaza Strip has been under Israeli military occupation since the 50s, so you’re suggesting this ‘genocide’ has been ongoing for 70 years?! In which time the population of Gaza has actually increased? That’s an incredibly ineffective and unsuccessful genocide if ever I saw one.

Maybe, just maybe, Israel is not committing genocide. Maybe it’s at war with a fanatical terrorist regime which uses the Palestinian people as human shields and in the process they get killed. Why do the IDF drop notes to warn Palestinians of imminent attacks? Does this happen in other wars? Why do Israeli doctors treat Palestinian civilians who need medical care?

You have swallowed the prevailing narrative that Israel wants to eradicate the Palestinian people, but the evidence says otherwise. Whether you choose to believe that evidence is up to you.

When a mammy loves a daddy very much they have a special cuddle and out of the cuddle babies emerge. Some mammies and daddies have lots and lots of cuddles and lots and lots of babies so even when some are brutally murdered there are still more people around than before they cuddled.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:19

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 21:07

Israel is not faultless but using terms like genocide, apartheid etc are so incrediby
inaccurate and simplistic. If Israel - which has one of the best militaries and intelligence services in the world - wanted to commit actual genocide it could in a day. Everyone already hates them, what would they have to lose?

I could list the names of academics, authors and others who support Israel and its right
to defend itself against terrorism. Give Douglass Murray a listen. He actually knows what he’s talking about.

Douglas Murray is a legend.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 22:23

Wouldn't you feed the children before feeding yourself.
It certainly looks like many adults and children are suffering from starvation, whilst other people are not starving.
Who knows if the aid is distributed evenly, it doesn't seem like it to me.

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 22:24

Wornout82 · 22/08/2025 22:17

When a mammy loves a daddy very much they have a special cuddle and out of the cuddle babies emerge. Some mammies and daddies have lots and lots of cuddles and lots and lots of babies so even when some are brutally murdered there are still more people around than before they cuddled.

When ‘some’ are murdered. So not a genocide then.

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