A famine has been declared in Gaza city

[SaltAirAndTheRust]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

Bravo 👏

It’s because malnutrition tends to snowball and once that ball gets big enough it is extremely difficult to stop without an orchestrated, co ordinated aid effort that includes therapeutic food and other medical interventions. This aid needs to be sustained over a long period of time to avoid the catastrophic consequences that we are about to see.

So prior to the ceasefire on average 60 trucks a day was delivered. So malnutrition had already started to grow. During the ceasefire approximately 600 trucks a day were delivered which is exactly what would be required. Then there was a period with no aid. So that malnutrition, which was already present started to snowball out of control. Since aid was resumed we haven’t seen the quantities delivered that would be sufficient to avoid the famine that has started on the f
ground

How is that approach working out for the West Bank, huh?

BBC witnesses Israeli settlers' attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewy88jle0eo.amp&ved=2ahUKEwiCm8WFkaKPAxUiQ0EAHWAaAW0QyM8BKAB6BAgIEAE&usg=AOvVaw37AL6aiAQQ5h-KN_cZIiqq

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.nytimes.com/2025/08/14/world/middleeast/west-bank-israel-settler-attacks.html&ved=2ahUKEwiCm8WFkaKPAxUiQ0EAHWAaAW0QxfQBKAB6BAgGEAE&usg=AOvVaw3-TEabQELd6xVJEIb634o3

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/28/chased-beaten-and-robbed-survivors-describe-israeli-settler-violence-in-west-bank&ved=2ahUKEwiF9crekaKPAxVOQ0EAHbzpI1c4ChDF9AEoAHoECAgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1ueFHVpZGGVzapuqxdtm-t

Who do Hamas recruit/ kidnap to
Joint the death cult?

Not starving children.

Why does Netenyahu arm Palestinian jihadists known to have been responsible for 7/10?

https://youtube.com/shorts/1wSfdHaaunU?si=sureFg4H_RBhTPhT

Children are too weak from malnutrition to cry.

Half of all pregnant women are malnourished.

I do wonder how many Palestinian women decided to conceive 9 months ago out of choice during a bitter war? I know people in the West that decide not to have children because of financial reasons or simply the pressure of child reading is not for them so you wonder what sort of culture would pressurised women to bear children during a horrendously vicious war....why not delay having children until the end of the conflict?

The medical system is destroyed. I dont expect they have any access to birth control.

Also did you know that one of the 5 potential ways in which genocide can occur is prevention of births?

As outlined in the Convention, these acts include:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Even if birth control is not readily available you do have a choice not to conceve. I am not trying to make light of famine but simply highlighting the lack of choice women have in some parts of the world. I just wonder what the mentality is of starting or expanding a family in the middle of a war zone is really.

Common sense suggests to me that it's primarily lack of choice.

Wouldn't imagine many women feel like it's a good idea to have another baby in this situation or even to have sex. It's probably another thing we are not supposed to question but to me it does suggest women not having much choice in the matter.

I'm guessing you would support both sides surrendering hostages? I'm sure you're right and that would go a long way in helping bring this terrible situation to an end - so long as enough food and aid was allowed into Gaza to support the current population and the returned one.

That's pretty ironic. You have previously given a similar answer to this pp when you've been challenged on some of your responses (or lack of specific responses).

Israel doesn’t have Palestinian hostages. They have prisoners, yes. People who have killed Israelis. It’s quite different.

It would be different if it were true. I guess it depends where you get your news from. Many sources disagree with you, including the BBC, but perhaps you will suggest they're all biased against Israel. We know many of the Palestinian hostages are children for a start.

They are not hostages. They are people who have been arrested and detained. I agree children should not be in that situation.
A reminder, the hostages held by Hamas are entirely innocent civilians captured by terrorists and abducted.

Nice victim blaming going on!
Why were the children born!? Maybe Israel can use that in their defence against war crimes of starvation and alleged genocide.

As a reminder, Israel’s “detainees” are often held without charge, have hearings in military courts in private, and have no right to appeal.

Arrested and detained without a trial. Including young children. That's not making it sound any better.

Completely agree that all prisoners should get a fair trial. But please don’t conflate young Palestinian children who have committed crimes - youngest detainee I believe has been about 12 - with Israeli babies and children snatched from their homes and kept in underground tunnels. Most of which have ultimately been killed by Hamas. Incendiary remarks like these do nothing to help the Palestinian cause.

Also, in one hostage/prisoner swap, Hamas returned the bodies of four Israeli hostages in exchange for the release of 640 Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Sounds like Hamas got the better deal, no?

Its legally a different thing. What it sounds like is neither here nor there.

You are wrong that 'young children' are detained under administrative detention. The youngest detained under administrative detention on record was 14. Thats a child, not a young child. Detainees are 16-18 and I think we can agree that a 16-18 year old should have some understanding of criminal/wrong behaviour and can also be manipulated by others in ways that makes their behaviour dangerous.

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody

I don't know enough about the detail but Israel is not operating under what we would consider normal conditions in the face of constant and extreme terrorist threat. All countries suspend or amend their highest standards of legal process when dealing with terror threats. To be clear detaining children should be an absolute last resort and should be subject to strict oversight.

For some perspective the age of criminal responsibility in england is 10 and children of that can be held in secure centres here and on average over 400 children are in custody in this country. The age of consent for girls in gaza is 17 which suggests girls are recognised to be adults at 17.

Its a complicated subject but often coloured by some people's desire to paint Israel as exceptionally awful without any perspective or understanding of the issues.

Especially as many of those detained had been convicted of serious crimes. Its massively unbalanced.

And yet they have replaced the U.N.? Because the UN understand that adding guns to humanitarian aid points is going to end badly. Why would they want to set a precedent for the occupying force to control aid and weaponise aid points. So a new company with no actual humanitarian experience was prioritised. They set up just 4 hubs which opened for an average of 11minutes a day in June. Injuries and deaths at aid points have increased.

From my understanding, aid was stopped and a deficit of food was created. This started the Gazans on the slippery slope to famine. This was exacerbated when the 200+ network of UN aid points were replaced with just 4 hubs open for less than an hour. They took months to get up and running (whilst people continued to become malnourished) and now they are praised for providing fewer than one meal a day and not even to all 2m+ people. How is that a success story. The GHF should never have taken the contract and the UN should’ve been left to do its best in a conflict zone.

Yes, the UN system wasn’t perfect. It never is when you have terrorists or rebel fighters around. They have exactly the same issue elsewhere. But adding guns to the situation puts humanitarian aid works at risk because they just become another militarised force in a war zone. There was no systemic evidence of Hamas stealing aid (according to US govt investigation which you’d think would be keen to find some for their allies, Israel) so no chance they could be controlling aid to the point where they were engineering a famine for 2m people.

So in summary, they stopped all aid going in creating a deficit of food, they replaced a huge aid network with a tiny military one (with no prior experience in humanitarian aid) that took months to get to the point where it could deliver less than one meal a day to less than the whole population. Displaced, vulnerable people are expected to walk miles, queue for hours and even then aren’t guaranteed just one meal a day.

If you look into the science/data, a lot of people can be starving before famine is declared because all the criteria have to be met. Withholding all food and then allowing a small amount in will slowly malnourished a population until we get to where are now.

But there is no evidence of any crimes committed. They are violating human rights by doing what they do.

How can you make a blanket statement like that? How do you have the expertise to say every person 18 or under ever detained by the Israeli forces has no evidence of reasons for detention?

Because the hearings are held in secret military courts. There is no publicly available evidence of crimes being committed.