A famine has been declared in Gaza city

[SaltAirAndTheRust]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

No, I think the majority of people disagree with many of the Israeli governments actions in Gaza and this disapproval has increased over time as evident by the data.

There's a big wide world out there.

No. This is a discussion forum and I will post how I want to.

I’m just wondering what you think. I don’t trust any one source whole heartedly. You always need to look a variety of sources.

Just to be clear- you agree that there is a famine but you are proposing that has been caused by Hamas stealing aid? What are they doing with all this aid? Like the infant formula for example.

You don’t think Egypt would be pretty keen to ensure this wasn’t cornering to keep their relationship with Israel/US wasn’t affected? And smuggling in food for 2m+ people?

Indeed you can post how you want. It just makes your thoughts seem scrambled. A bit hard then to formulate a considered response.

As I thought. You have nothing at all to show for this imaginary majority support of the Israeli government and the IDF's actions.

Not everybody lives in echo chambers.

I believe the famine has been orchestrated; Hamas are good at meticulous planning.

That's what you should be telling yourself. I gave you stats. You are only going by the people you know.

Still not ready to have a proper chat about it? We can try again another time. Your inability to discuss him is very interesting though. Any comments on settlers/settler violence more broadly? Or is that form of terrorism/extremism okay?

Orchestrated as in Hamas have pretended there is a famine ? Or they have caused the famine themselves?

I don’t think there’s any doubt that Palestinians are starving. The UN’s aid delivery system is not working. Trucks with tonnes of food are sitting dormant.

Hamas is also stealing aid, diverting it to its fighters.

I feel so deeply sad to see children reduced to skin and bones. And I blame Hamas wholeheartedly for this.

Some are definitely hearing the calls of Netanyahu again and again, but luckily not everyone:

From Haaretz Today (Israeli) August 6th
Denial Accomplished: Israelis Can't Be Moved by a Gaza Famine They Don't Think Exists
This week's sad statistic that 79 percent of Israelis aren't 'troubled' by reports of famine in Gaza is precisely what the government wants: How can anyone be 'troubled' by something they've either chosen not to believe, or aren't allowed to?

Repeat: There is no starvation in Gaza. If the Israeli government could have hypnotized all of its citizens with this mantra, it would have.

But it might not even need to. A new poll carried out by the Israel Democracy Institute showed that a vast majority of Israeli Jews – 79 percent – say they are "not so troubled" or "not troubled at all" by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza. An almost exact mirror image appears among Israel's Arab public, where 86 percent said they are "very troubled" or "somewhat troubled."

This sad statistic is precisely what the government wants: How can Israelis be troubled by something they've either chosen not to believe, or aren't allowed to?

If Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had his way, the Israel Democracy Institute would have been shut down for even having the temerity to ask people their opinion on such an "antisemitic blood libel."

It seems the government's highest priority is to silence those who dare to mention verified reports that Israel's months-long blockade on humanitarian aid has caused starvation in Gaza. The country is now vowing to punish artists who dared to sign a now-infamous petition against the war and Israel's policies of starvation. On Tuesday, the Knesset's coalition whip, Ofir Katz, said those "traitors" have "no place in the country," vowing to cut state funding to anything related to them. A Likud minister, May Golan, said the artists "stuck a knife in the backs of our soldiers."

At the same time, Israel is diplomatically fighting international allies that dare to raise the allegation of starvation. On Tuesday, the Israeli Foreign Ministry reprimanded the Polish ambassador over what it called "unacceptable" statements made by Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

Tusk, on X, had reaffirmed Poland's support for Israel in its fight against Hamas but said it "will never be on the side of politicians whose actions lead to hunger and the death of mothers and children."

But not all Israelis are buying the government's influence operation against them, even though they know it may not be safe to do so. On Monday, a fundraiser in Tel Aviv by Israrli artists in support of Gazans a fundraiser in Tel Aviv by Israeli artists in support of Gazans was forced to change to a secret venue following concrete threats from right-wingers with accusations of "donating to the enemy." After a right-wing mob stormed a synagogue in central Israel that screened an Israeli-Palestinian Memorial Day ceremony in April, no one is taking chances.

There are small signs that the unofficial censorship of suffering in Gaza may be beginning to crack. On Wednesday, a popular Tel Aviv club, Phi, put up a sign outside and posted a short message: "End the war now. Bring back the hostages. Stop the killing and starvation in Gaza." For few, it was welcome and overdue, drawing some praise online. But most comments were livid. One wrote, "Disgusting. I'll never set foot in your place again."

While a small number of people, mostly in Tel Aviv and some in Haifa and Jerusalem, are trying to act against starvation and war in Gaza, they remain under threat from those who actively deny it and a government that fosters that denial.

In his extensive report in The New Yorker, titled ‘Israel’s Zones of Denial,’ Israel's Zones of Denial,' David Remnick wrote, "To look away is an act of both will and denialism, a form of self-preservation." The past few days have shown that the Israeli government's fight for its survival begins, continues, and ends with its most important method: silence.

The GHF was never intended to replace the UN. Where did you get that from?

From my understanding aid was paused after enough was taken in to cover the period of the pause, hence no famine declared over the 3 months of the pause, which you’d expect there to be if there wasn’t enough.

Aid was then resumed when GHF started operations, hoping to start a mechanism of getting aid to civilians rather than Hamas who use it for revenue.

The UN has refused to collaborate with the GHF, despite the GHF delivering over a million meals a day direct to civilians, 93% of UN aid trucks being diverted, although the UN doesn’t seem to know by whom.

Please explain how a famine is taking place now when more aid is being facilitated now than since March?

You’re an academic authority, presumably?

Israel's accusation that Hamas is responsible for the hunger crisis has also been criticised. Multiple reports, including an internal US government report, found there is no evidence of systematic diversion of aid by Hamas.

There is indeed widespread looting of trucks entering Gaza – but aid agencies say most of the looting is by crowds of desperate Palestinians and some organised groups trying to make a resale profit.

Ultimately, aid agencies have been repeating for months that in order to avert starvation and famine, Gaza needs to be flooded with aid entering by road and currently Israel still imposes restrictions.
(BBC News 22 August)

This and many more details are here:
www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg4p90z1kxo

Ok, how many countries have expelled Jews in the past? There must be reason for it surely?

Or are you being selective in what you want to believe?

Yes, there is a reason why Jews have been expelled from many countries. Always its down to prejudice, hatred and scapegoating. Why, what are you suggesting the reason is?

@Golden407 its not a matter of belief but well documented evidence.

Shame on Netenyahu and shame on his government.

They created this famine by withholding food. They had total control and they deliberately denied enough calories needed to maintain the population of Gaza.

All the while forcing people out of their homes.

Forcing children out of education.

Targeting medics.

Bombing hospitals.

Forcing families from their shelters.
Shooting children seeking food.
Shooting children fetching water.

Now his plan is to unleash the IDF on a starving, dying, population.

The actions of the Israeli government defy basic humanity and commonsense.

Shame on them.
Shame on Netenyahu.
Shame on their apologists and cheerleaders.

Surrender? Releasing the hostages? At what point do you think it would he prudent for Hamas/Gaza to down weapons and give up?

The fact that aid is being sold in markets, at vastly inflated prices over the course of the war until now, is not proof of systemic diversion by Hamas because those sellers certainly won’t get away with selling it without permission?

The Palestinians in Gaza telling us that Hamas is stealing all the aid is not proof?

The hundreds of videos of terrorists standing on top of trucks is not proof as of course Hamas do not wear their delightful green headbands all the time, lest they get ruined probably.

That USAID (which is questionable in itself) report was leaked and the findings were not reported to the State Department before the leak. It states itself:

”the majority of incidents could not be definitively attributed to a specific actor.”

“Partners often largely discovered that commodities had been stolen in transit without identifying the perpetrator,”

Are they going to come out and say it was Hamas without their worker’s lives on the ground being at risk.

They saw what Hamas were capable of on Oct 7th. They must have known what Hamas were capable of before with the decades of terrorist attacks.

TBH I would have felt terrified working in Gaza, even as an aid worker, after Oct 7th. They must be much braver than me (and I’m pretty fearless) or totally confident in the belief that they are not at risk from these barbaric monsters. Not sure how they came to that conclusion when Hamas torture and execute their own civilians but I suppose you’d have to be there.

Great post Scrolling !