A famine has been declared in Gaza city

[SaltAirAndTheRust]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

Re Hamas war crimes, I sadly think we don’t know a lot of what they have done to their own people during this war. I’ll leave analysis of this to experts rather than looking around on SM. Unless you can point me to some better sources?

I’m sure if X and the like was around immediately after 9/11, it would’ve been a similar situation re the war on terror/information/misinformation. And I’m sorry for not being all over viral videos. When I think about viral posts, it’s usual some stupid dance or cat video that springs to mind. Not serious political issues.

Also, if you read my posts I didn’t say there isn’t anything unusual about the amount of coverage/information/misinformation re Gaza. I listed a range of factors that I think contribute to the high volume of attention.

I would need to know more about SA’s constituency to know whether his focus on Gaza might be disproportionate.

I’ll repeat the fact that you can question why the attention is on Israel but that doesn’t excuse Israel from doing awful things. That’s Israel’s fault for doing them, not mass media’s fault (or anyone else’s) for looking at what they are doing.

Please explain why we all care so much about this conflict rather than any other then? If it’s not the often used comment about being antisemitic, why are we all ‘obsessed’ with Gaza/Israel?

Ok
Clearly it's just because it’s Palestinians that some can’t be bothered to discuss the Famine

Is that Islamophobia I wonder

images from around the world. This is famine

Do you not see how utterly crazy it sounds to be accusing Mumsnet contributors of being “genocide defenders, genocide deniers, genocide excuses, genocide justifiers”.

I don’t believe Israel is committing genocide. That is my opinion.

Surely you can deal with that without the upset, shaming, insults etc.

What do you mean by Palestine? Do you mean Gaza. Where on earth do you get the idea that 1/3 of Gaza's children have been killed? Before the war the population was around 2.2 million with roughly around half of those children, I believe. A third of 1.1 million is 363, 000. Hamas's own figures suggest the total number of deaths is around 62, 000. Al Jazeera reported this week 18,885 children killed. Absolutely dreadful, but not a third.

Israel controls almost all of Gaza, therefore Hamas don't have the means to starve their own people OR they don't control Gaza and the 60k killed have been civilians... the destruction we have all seen has achieved nothing?

Can't have it both ways.

The thread is about "now" not almost 2 years.

The IPC are a very cautious body, they have called to famine just 3 or 4 times in the last 25 years and all in Africa.

Defend using food as a weapon of war by the Israelis all you like but the world now sees whats happening, its irrefutable.

You could also look at information from the other side, like COGATs figures, unless you only want to look at it from one side.

Where do the stats coming out of Gaza come from?

Do you think a government entity of a democratic country like Israel, which is being scrutinised by the world (unlike Hamas because they get a free pass being terrorists and all), can just make up figures and hope no one finds out?

Israel has no control over how aid is distributed once it’s in Gaza have they?

Your disbelief doesn’t trump facts though.

I wholeheartedly agree

It is Islamophobia. Plain and simple

the fact people can see that children are starving to death and still seek to justify it beggars belief.

If you disagree with the IPC and believe here is no famine/genocide, then you are a denier.

What else?

Info comes from doctors working within Gaza I understand.

That information is then assessed using the standardised framework set up in 2004
There is no information from some areas as there are no doctors or the population is so depleted no one can get to them

Reporters aren’t allowed in by Israel so we’re not seeing the full picture

I accept the assessment because I think it’s abhorrent to deny the Famine

When I stood in Wembley at the Feed The World Concert I wasn’t so arrogant to think I knew better.
I trust independent analysis
I trust my eyes

For anyone else who feels utterly helpless, Gaza Little Lights is a charity who provides formula and other supplies to babies who are starving. It’s run by two mums, three Palestinian fathers and a nurse who are doing all they can to help babies and children in Gaza. If you’re able to donate or share, please do

https://www.instagram.com/gazalittlelights?igsh=dmRoMTQ1bjJxN2V2

That isn’t an answer to the question I asked the other poster in response to her post though is it?

Does Israel have control over how aid is distributed once it’s been cleared to enter Gaza?

Is Israel responsible for diverting 93% of aid trucks in Gaza?

I’m sure if Israel was responsible for that, the UN would have said so by now.

They don’t seem to want the IDF or GHF to support them in getting the aid to where it should go.

Hasn’t it been shown that Israel are restricting trucks in? They shoot at and murder people who are trying to get aid. They detained the freedom flotilla for daring to try to bring baby formula to gas a

Famine and genocide aren’t the same thing.

The IPC have declared a famine. Not sure why you’ve thrown the word “genocide” in there too.

Oh I think it is antisemitism. I mean its obviously antisemitism - why else would we have seen a world spike in attacks on Jews and antisemitic content, in celebration of 7 October in the immediate aftermath of 7 October, before Israel had made any significant response. Your question was 'Am I right in concluding that you believe everyone only cares about Israel because of antisemitism?'. Obviously that's not the case for everyone.

Its interestimg tjst you'll leave analysis of Hamas's war crimes to 'experts' but everyone here seems fully confident in their own anslysis of Israel's. Another double standard

It’s not a fact though it’s an opinion which is why lots of people disagree. The UK government proves it’s an opinion as they don’t designate it a genocide while a different country would.

No. It’s a fact.

What facts?

No ruling has been made, has it?

I think you’ve got this the wrong way around - your belief doesn’t trump facts.

You wanting something to be a fact doesn’t make it so.

Hard to argue with someone who doesn’t understand the difference between facts and strongly held opinions.

So now the goalposts have shifted again and the only source we believe is court rulings?

tps://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups

https://press.un.org/en/2024/gapal1473.doc.htm

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/is-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Not surprising that the UN don’t want help from the IDF
They are the Invaders. They are the Palestinians enemy

The UN are impartial and highly experienced in this field

The IDF and GHF aren’t

Leave it to the people who are trusted and know how and let the aid flow in.
Gaza is now at that critical stage that so many have been predicting for do long.

Time for the GHF to bugger off !

Well yes, only a court has the authority to make a ruling on something that has legal status. Everything else is opinion.
Surely what matters is improving the situation not getting hung up on sematics.

There is no improvement to be had now. I don’t think you understand this. Israel have destroyed the medical infrastructure of Palestine and the only way to recover from this level of starvation is under close medical supervision.

Like i said, we are in August 25, not October 23.

Either Israel controls Gaza and the loses, destruction have been well worth it or is been a failure and Hamas control Gaza....

You seem to be arguing Hamas are in near full control