A famine has been declared in Gaza city

[SaltAirAndTheRust]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

Well then we can agree on that. No country gets a free pass for committing war crimes, but the scale, consistency, and targeting in Gaza makes Israel’s actions distinct and particularly egregious. Deliberate bombing of hospitals, displacement camps, and queues for water, and the systematic starvation of children isn’t just the unfortunate inevitability of war- it’s a disturbing pattern and policy.

Hamas has committed war crimes, yes, but pointing that out doesn’t erase or justify the state-sanctioned, large-scale harm to civilians we are seeing from Israel. Highlighting one doesn’t cancel the other- both should be scrutinised, but right now the overwhelming civilian suffering is being inflicted by Israel.

The reason that this particular war has gained so much attention is because the world’s only Jewish state is involved and there has been a targeted, and very successful, propaganda campaign to make Israel into a pariah State as a goal of this war.

The propaganda war is the only war Hamas can win, and so they have focused on that, whilst committing heinous war crimes against the civilians in Gaza that absolutely no one ever acknowledges or discusses.

Your post is spot on.

Do we see any of this with the diaspora of any other country at war like Syrians, Sudanese, Somalian, Congolese, Nigerians, Yemeni’s?

No we don't.

start a thread on them then! Use factual, verified sources to prove your points and stop using them as a distraction technique from the fact that Israel are also committing war crimes

Posting updates on this Famine thread
The bbc article sets out how Gazas ( and all )
Famine was assessed

assessment

Thanks OP
We get one line of arguments from same old same old irrespective of the thread title.

Isnt
FAMINE an important enough issue to warrant a little bit of thread time
Shame on the derailers

Find a more appropriate thread it’s really insensitive

There is a war of information that both Hamas and Israel are taking part in. This, in the SM sphere, has made the conflict much more accessible and visible. Like I said above, you are fair to question why some media outlets are covering it to such an extent and the wording they use but I think it is unfair to paint everyone who questions the actions and statements of Israel as antisemitics. Especially when so many Jewish people have spoken against the actions of Israel too.

Two examples - cutting of aid for months causing a shortage of food and then letting very little aid in. Investigations show no systemic issues with Hamas taking food. U.N. is forced out in favour of the Israeli backed GHF. They open just 4 hubs that were open for just 11mins on average in June. Famine is then declared. Who else should be held accountable for this series of events?

Secondly, the comments made by powerful Israeli politicians. Who else should be held accountable for what they have said?

The global attacks on Jewish people are disgraceful. It is similar to the way Muslim people were treated after the 9/11 terror attacks and during the West’s war on terror. Sadly, hate filled people will group people unfairly and use fear and violence. I am against all antisemitism, Islamophobia and racism more broadly.

Which links to your final comment re the march. That is shocking and, as I mentioned above, there will always be people who lead with hatred and use things as a thin veil for antisemitism (or other forms of racism). I cannot speak on behalf of the people who made that application during the attack and I wouldn’t condone any protest activity that was pro-Hamas.

David Lammy, after Famine was confirmed, has come out with the usual blah blah but he has at least condemned the actions of Israel

Wonder if there will be any sanctions by the U.K.

It’s completely vile. The complete intent to label anything coming out of Gaza as misinformation just screams burying your head in the sand. Children are starving to death and all people care about is saying that the adults are starving them on purpose and pretending this is normal.

I’m sure after the conflict is over, we will have more information about the war crimes committed by Hamas. They are just much less visible to us at the moment.

The UN have had their nose badly put out of joint by Israel so I personally can't take their work without thinking about bias. I remember one diplomat 'erroneously ' stating 4000 babies were going to starve within 48 hours and since then I have really questioned their impartiality.

The hyperbole released by the UN has to raise eyebrows about how anti semitism has infitrated the general culture of the organisation where so much evocative language is used against one country, Israel.

Well it would be very bloody hypocritical for him to say all of this and then not apply sanctions, but then again this Government love to wring their hands about Gaza and then do fuck all 😡

Provide sources. The war crimes of Israel are very well documented.

The Independent are running a very good article

Netanyahu outright denies there’s a famine 🥱
and
Collective shame on the world. Well said.
no country has done a great deal although
South Africa do stand out as the early sensible ones

Agree
Makes me so ashamed

Like the Famine

I’m not saying Israel aren’t committing crimes too. I’m responding more to the challenges that no one ever talks about Hamas’s war crimes. Israel’s are just much more visible. When the conflict is over, we will hear more about what Hamas did in Gaza but that doesn’t mean we hold back on questioning and criticising Israel’s action/inaction in the meantime.

Pro-Israeli posters are happy for Israel to be in a pool of comparators such as Sudan, Somalia, Syria - fine. Israel should stop being a western ally, stop having arms deals with western states, stop being funded billions upon billions and propped up by US tax dollars. Stop participating in Eurovision and UEFA.

There is a lot of racism in why conflicts or events in these countries dont get spoken about but a big reason is they arent seen as important to western interests.

Highlighting one doesn’t cancel the other- both should be scrutinised, but right now the overwhelming civilian suffering is being inflicted by Israel.

The war crimes carried out by Hamas very much lead to much of the war crimes we are seeing being carried out by Israel.

Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily populated civilian areas, often from near facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospital or mosques).

Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs, bases, armouries, access route lathes," or defensive positions within or in proximity to civilian areas, often within facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospital or mosques).

Surely, you can see how one leads to the other?

Hamas won’t even allow their civilians to take shelter from the bombing in their vast network of tunnels.

It’s a win/win situation for Hamas, and very much a lose/lose situation for Israel.

I wouldn’t say that I support what Israel are doing, however, I very much understand the position they are in.

This isn’t a thread about Hamas’ war crimes. If you would like to discuss them, go and make one with verified sources. It’s sickening that people will attempt to justify Israel’s actions because of Hamas. You’re basically saying the Palestinian people deserve it.

Its interesting that you have 'no clue' about viral posts and yet you are so adamant that there is nothing unusual about the level of interest in this conflict and you downplay the significance of antisemitism. Well, let me assure you that in the 2 decades or so that I have been on social media no issue comes close to the volume of posts and images, many of them blatant misinformation and manipulation, relating to this conflict. People not otherwise particularly interested in either politics or human rights or international development suddenly sharing stuff on a daily basis. A massive level of social contagion.I have never had so many celebrities opining on an issue which most of them know very very lityle about. Everyone making out that this war is by far the worst catastrophe happening in the world in recent times. Many using antisemitic tropes. Hardly any of these people had anything to say on 7/8/9 October of course.

I didn't say Your Party was 'set up purely re Gaza'. Please don't twist what I say. Nothing is wrong with having an opinion and being an MP. Again, don't twist. There is a problem when a focus on Gaza is disproportionate. As lawmakers they have responsibilities across a broad gamut of foreign policy issues. I was deeply involved in anti apartheid and I didnt like it when Paul Boateng said his election was for Soweto either.

Your next para doesn't address the issue at all.

And as for your last, no your conclusion is wrong, but entirely predictable. I do suggest you do more reading on antisemitism. Do you think antisemitism is about liturgical and theological arguments?

No to be quite frank I don’t see how the Hamas war crimes justify the total decimation of the Palestinian country and people.

You want sources for Hamas’ war crimes.

Why?

Do you not believe that they are carrying out war crimes in Gaza?

I wonder if you know what decimation means.