A famine has been declared in Gaza city

[SaltAirAndTheRust]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

International pressure? What pressure is on Hamas? On Israel yes, but Hamas? Barely.

I'm sorry but your second paragraph is nonsensical.

Targeted arrests- you think Israeli troops could enter Gaza and peacefully arrest people they believe are Hamas and these people would readily identify themselves and just leave peacefully? Or do you think firefights endangering civilians might happen?

Intercepting weapons- yep, tried that, gor critized for a blockade and anyway Hamas build tunnels and smuggle and hide weapons there. Not effective.

Cyber operations? Against terrorists? Actual lol.

International pressure- I mean theres been a huge amount of that with approximately 0 effect so far... you thank Hamas would respond sympathetically to being asked nicely by France?

I cannot believe that 2 years on we are still seeing these types of comments. No one has ever, ever given a reasonable alternative to how to get rid of Hamas without massive civilian casualties other than - 'not this".

He seems to be mostly verbally hedging these days. His last actual statement on the topic is from 8 August:

The Israeli Government's decision to further escalate its offensive in Gaza is wrong, and we urge it to reconsider immediately. This action will do nothing to bring an end to this conflict or to help secure the release of the hostages. It will only bring more bloodshed.
Every day the humanitarian crisis in Gaza worsens and hostages taken by Hamas are being held in appalling and inhuman conditions. What we need is a ceasefire, a surge in humanitarian aid, the release of all hostages by Hamas and a negotiated solution. Hamas can play no part in the future of Gaza and must leave as well as disarm.
Together with our allies, we are working on a long-term plan to secure peace in the region as part of a two-state solution, and ultimately achieve a brighter future for Palestinians and Israelis.
But without both sides engaging in good faith in negotiations, that prospect is vanishing before our eyes. Our message is clear: a diplomatic solution is possible, but both parties must step away from the path of destruction.

Source: https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1953713663996576068

Ahh attack is the best form of Defence.

I posted a genuine article that came from my Instagram account which I didn't realize linked to my own account so I asked MN to withdraw the post. It was a mistake.

You posted a blatant untruth which you refuse to discuss.

Well that’s your opinion. And you’re entitled to it. But you’re wrong.

I'll say the same back at you so we will just have to agree to disagree so .

Wrong
Out of his own mouth
No speculation needed by any of us
He made it quite clear

I mean just a few days ago he was talking about his 'spiritual mission' and his dreams of a Greater Israel. The man is hardly keeping all of this a secret.

Is this an attempt to shame someone off the thread

Rude

It’s ridiculous isn’t it. At this stage they’re openly telling the world what they’re doing.

Exactly

he made his intentions known to the world in September 2023.

It’s not news

But there aren't lots of threads about those other places. My social media is not clogged with posts and reels and slogans about those other places, MPs are not being harassed about those other places, a political party is not being founded here in the interests of those other places.

As much as you’d like it to be, ‘war is hard’ isn’t a legal defence for war crimes.

The idea that the only options are “indiscriminate bombing” or “do nothing” is a false choice. Other conflicts have seen targeted raids on leadership, intelligence-led strikes, and disruption of funding networks. All harder but possible. The Geneva Conventions don’t say “war is difficult so civilians are fair game.” They exist precisely because powerful actors will always argue that mass civilian death is “unavoidable.”

Oo
and how swiftly the discussion moves away from this
I’ve forgotten how many times I’ve posted this and it always gets ignored

Oh well

This. People are living in a fantasy world where they still seem to believe Hamas are capable of playing nice.

Israel has done many targeted raids on leadership.

Ditto for intelligence led strikes. Do you think the main leaders taken out were by coincidence?

Unfortunately for civilians, Hamas are embedded within the population by design. So civilians will die.

If Hamas had separated themselves from the general population Israel could have carpet bombed that one place and no civilians would have died. Hamas chooses the opposite. Surely you know this by now?

If this was really just about Hamas, Netanyahu wouldn’t be building on Gaza land and letting settlers move in. That’s not about security, it’s about taking land.

Who said there was famine in Sudan? Who confirmed that dire situation?

The laws of war don’t disappear just because Hamas embed themselves in civilian areas. Israel still has an obligation to distinguish civilians from combatants and avoid collective punishment. Starving children, bombing hospitals, and levelling whole neighbourhoods goes far beyond hitting specific leaders. That’s why it’s classed as a war crime, regardless of Hamas’ tactics. Surely you know this by now?

Thank you for clarifying @Martymcfly24

Although we argue on here sometimes I can tell you are a good person. I think you’re a bit misguided sometimes but I’m sure you think the same about me!