A famine has been declared in Gaza city

[SaltAirAndTheRust]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

It is of course a place where we are speaking about Gaza but sometimes people mention other wars or mention Hamas without being prompted to do so.

Some people on the pro Pal side will show some balance with regard to these sort of posts, others don't. I'm not getting personal here I just made a comment that I draw my own conclusions from the way people post, and if every post is negative against Israel then I consider them to be anti Israel.

I'm sure we all draw conclusions from how people post, as you touch on in paragraph 2. They aren't necessarily right but they are assumptions we will make.

Because children have been targeted. Repeatedly and systematically, and we have the evidence.

There would have been no logical reason for the IDF to target Amna al-Mufti, an 11-year-old Palestinian girl- yet she was targeted and killed by one of their drones. And this is not an isolated case. There have been multiple instances of children being killed just queuing for water alone.

@Twiglets1 I understand what you are saying that posters aren't talking about the other conflict in the world but I genuinely think part of the reason for that is that there aren't both sides to be argued. Sudan, Ukraine etc there is a very clear path and I would think we would by and large tend to all fall on the same side. Not that' there shouldn't be absolutely more conversation about Sudan, Yemen and other areas because those people are living in hell but the argument factor is not there.

I'm wording this very clumsily but when you see things like the US saying the only flags it is illegal to burn are their flag and Israel's you do feel a sense of why do they get special privileges when their behavior has been so appalling. So posting here I am trying to counteract this narrative.

We agree and disagree on here but I do respect your posts and I know you feel that I am overwhelming negative towards Israel . I wish nothing but peace for Israeli civilians and would love to see the hostages reunited with their families. I would hate anyone to think that the reason I am negative about Israel is anti semitism.

multiple instances of children being killed queuing for water maybe, targeting them because they are children, no.

It makes sense when you consider that right from the off Israels defence minister said "There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel – everything will be closed” then we watched them systematically destroy all of the bakeries, block aid and target aid workers, target infrastructure and target health care until there was no food, no water and everything including healthcare was pretty much closed.

You’ve made a vain attempt to bring the subject matter back to the actual thread
so
I agree

After WW2 American and British soldiers is their desperate attempts to feed the starving in concentration camps did cause, through no fault of their own, many deaths.

In the liberation of Bergen Belsen American soldiers gave their army rations to the starving who were unable to digest the food.
Prolonged starvation requires a slow road to recovery and can have long lasting affects on a persons health.

Supporting the Palestinians will require large scale medical attention.

Thank you for that. I appreciate it.

It's very interesting, it was only recently a paediatric doctor I follow was talking about it. How there should be a maximum amount of calories per day and it should be taken slowly.

I can't imagine there will be the medical resources to support the amount of people that will need it.

Apologies for derailing the thread but it’s due to the man made famine, caused by Israel that children have been so disproportionately affected. Children have been deliberately deprived of food and over half a million children are now suffering from acute malnutrition.

In terms of children being targeted in attacks: When it’s a few children then maybe it could be attributed to an error? But when children have been disproportionately affected, it raises serious concerns.

In TWO YEARS, Palestinian children account for 30% of the death toll (so far). A rough comparison:
Syria 2011-23 5-6%
Yemen 2015-2023 10-15%
Iraq 2003-2011 9%

Why has baby formula been withheld from entering? Combined with statements from Israeli leaders and officials, a disturbing pattern emerges.

and you know what, if this was the other way around and Palestinians were treating Israeli’s and their children like this- you can bet I would be on here arguing exactly the same thing and I would be just as passionate about it.

It’s because they want to destroy Palestinian society and killing the children ensures it won’t continue.

In my opinion, it’s absolutely abhorrent that at this stage people are still on here effectively justifying these actions.

I imagine there are many NGOs willing to help
but will they be allowed in ?
Who will dictate that

That all depends on ceasefire agreements and ultimately an end to the war and occupation.

However
It does seem it was the type of food that was given
beef jerky for example

I would imagine the contents of ration packs would have to be controlled by medical professionals and technically that doesn't have to happen within Gaza
That could be happening now of course, if it was allowed.

As a Famine has been officially declared I’m waiting to see if there will be more action against the Israeli Government.

I’m not aware of Starmer doing or even saying much more than he already has.

Yes it’s deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure because that is where Hamas hide. This is basic knowledge. Hamas hide in hospitals, schools, public buildings to maximise civilian casualties and get maximum sympathy from the rest of the world. And it works. It has won the propaganda war and everyone hates Israel because people just see Palestinian death = evil Israel. Without any blame on the homicidal maniac terrorists who run Palestine, steal the money, food and aid that gets in and has absolutely no intention in releasing innocent hostages and ending the war.

Don’t be obtuse. There aren’t hundreds and thousands of people marching the streets of London and other major cities in the world for the poor people is Sudan where there is FAMINE. People rarely even talk about Ukraine these days. Everyone is frankly obsessed with Israel, 80% of whom probably couldn’t point it out on a map, and there is a simple reason for that. I won’t spell it out.

I’m not aware of Starmer doing or even saying much more than he already has.

Maybe for the best! I will never forget him going on LBC and - as a trained international lawyer no less - arguing Israel "does have that right", to basically starve two million people.

I’ve said this repeatedly but here we go again. Even if Israel’s goal is to remove Hamas, bombing civilians, starving children, and destroying hospitals is morally indefensible and legally a war crime.

There are alternatives: targeted arrests, intercepting weapons, cyber operations, and international pressure- that neutralise militants without harming innocents. Collective punishment of 2 million people cannot be justified. Precision strikes in other contexts, like Iran, show that indiscriminate bombing is a choice, not a necessity.

The ‘special treatment’ is because Israel is fighting and attempting to eradicate Islamist extremism. That benefits the US, the UK, the west, most of the Middle East, and frankly the world. That is why the US funds Israel. Because the US wants to ensure that Iran and other fundamentalist Islamist regimes, which increasingly have nuclear warfare, are stopped.

WhATABoUTIsM ⭐️🏆

meanwhile, 1.1 million children in Gaza are starving because of policies being enacted by Israel right now. Priorities, much?

I know he’s been saying ‘Israel has a right to defend itself’ but is he still saying that recently when the threat of famine has been looming for so long
Any recollection of when he said that

( I’m no defender of Starmer btw)

'Interesting that Israel’s defenders often have nothing to say about my point that there’s no logical reason for Israel to target civilians'

There isn't a logical reason because as pp have said it isnt happening, the civilians deaths are collateral damage in a warzone. The idf have no reason to target the very people they have issued warmings too.

You insist on believing activist Drs who has said 'someone told them' the IDF are targeting testicles one day and ears the next 🙄.

Hamas are the barbaric terrorists here.

And yet you’re not talking about it? It is well documented that Palestinian families helped to hide innocent Israeli hostages in their homes, including children and babies. Where’s the outrage for that?

oh get a grip will you.

You insisted on believing and posting an article that I have asked you to clarify and given opposing views too so if say the rolly eyes emoji is a bit over the top wouldn't you.

Why do folk do this sneery capital letters thing as if they think that they are talking to someone intellectually challenged? It is not a good look and once again says more about you than the poster. Bit like your 'funny^ gifs. Nothing about this is funny.

'Whataboutism' is not the same as offering balance and perspective.

No it's not.
It's trying to expand the Israeli borders.

There's no noble conquest here and if there was the last two countries that would be involved are USA and Israel.

You posted an article from your Instagram a couple of days ago, not sure you should be criticising what I post.