A famine has been declared in Gaza city

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https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

I'm suggesting they see what Hamas want them to. Emphasis on my unofficial description. I may take a bit of time to research into some of the employees in the UN. I have a feeling my suspicions can be confirmed.

Anyone who isn’t staunchly pro-Israel is labelled as Hamas by you though, and you don’t believe any sources unless you like them. So I don’t see the point in your “research”

Not all of them are corrupt. However, I'm sure you will agree, the UN is the most influential. Not sure why you put research in quotes. Is the concept of research unfamiliar to you? I suppose it's easier to believe everything you read at face value.

Because you have proven, time and time again, you will only seek out sources that agree with your viewpoint. That’s not research, it’s confirmation bias.

You don't think that's a reasonable request? Is there any reason - aside from the huge differences in infrastructure and capacity - why European countries are more expected to take in large numbers of Muslims?

Because the western world is responsible for most of the destabilisation in the Middle East? Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria - the US and UK started wars which have not helped the situation at all. The west is backing Israel to the hilt.

I could say the exact thing about you - in fact, I do. You're approaching this from an emotional angle. Sorry, but that's exactly how I see it. Hence the multiple threads on this board, all led by emotion. Of course that will be classed as heartless, well war is bloody heartless.

www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08/13/global-food-insecurity-scale-was-eased-in-order-to-declare-famine-in-gaza/

IPC change their methodology for declaring famine in gaza.

The thing is, anyone can find links between the UN and Hamas. It’s not some great hidden anti-Israel conspiracy. Hamas are/were the government in Gaza. The UN would have to have some sort of working relationship with Hamas in order to do anything in Gaza. Like they would in any country they are active in. Discovering a link between the U.N. and Hamas doesn’t mean they actively support Hamas or terrorism.

It is hard to take this UN bloke Tom fletcher seriously who said that the UN had decreed a famine when he'd previously announced emotively that 14000 babies would die within 48hrs. A statement he then retracted.

They really need a more credible spokesperson.

Agree with that. He shouldn’t be a spokesperson for them after that misrepresentation. It may have been a genuine mistake on his part I don’t know. But even if so, he is a liability for the UN and they should have replaced him by now with someone with more credibility.

Thanks for that link. We knew it was happening but interesting to see what methods were being used.

Perhaps it suits them to have him at the helm.

Some of the UN workers in Gaza do support Hamas though and this has not been highlighted enough.

Your post is one of the very few I’ve seen from the pro Pal side acknowledging that the UN & Hamas have strong links.

Yes - sadly bad people can get into good organisations. But I don’t think that means the whole of the U.N. and its work should be discredited.

Yes - the U.N. will have strong links to any country that it works in. As I said, I don’t think that’s some huge ‘aha’ moment. They have to communicate with any government if they want to help their people. To me, it means the U.N. have a pretty good understanding of the dynamics within Gaza and the reality of being Palestinian. It doesn’t mean they are covering up or supporting terrorist activity.

Seriously, an anti Muslim, pro Israeli think tank that organises paid trips to Israel said that.

I for one am shocked

What about what they actually found though - that the methodology had been changed just for the war in Gaza?

This is a very heavily pro-Israeli group. Find something unbiased please

They seem to be basing this on an article in the Washington Free Beacon. Just so you’re aware, Ad Fontes Media rates The Washington Free Beaconin the Strong Right category of bias and as Unreliable, Problematic in terms of reliability.

Maybe have a look for a better source on this one.

The facts are there, methodology has been changed for an assessment in gaza. You don't have to like who has shared these facts.

Are they facts if the source is unreliable/problematic?

I wonder why when he was doing his emotive speech no-one said 'but Tom youve been caught out talking nonsense before why would we believe you this time?'

I agree it doesn’t mean the whole of the UN & its work can be discredited, I’m sure they do lots of good work.

What it does mean though is that they aren’t necessarily as neutral in their reporting as many people assume they are. They have longstanding links to Hamas, they have local workers that are sympathetic to Hamas goals.

They aren’t some completely impartial organisation and that is important to be aware of. People don’t expect the IDF or Hamas to be impartial but some assume the UN are completely neutral.

How do you reach that conclusion? Have you actually looked into its background? Please don't tell us you're being a hypocrite in dismissing sources, which don't suit your argument.

Where are the facts according to the report here 40% of households in North Gaza are in famine which is above the 30% threshold.

https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Famine_Review_Committee_Report_Gaza_Aug2025.pdf

Could you post information regarding the change of criteria please .