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Conflict in the Middle East

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.

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ConscientiousObserver · 06/08/2025 21:36

Extremely informative article by Yoav Gallant, Former Israeli Defence Minister and John Spencer, Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute.

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces. Yet behind closed doors, few are more studied. Western generals and defense officials routinely seek Israeli briefings, request access to doctrine and tactics, and pursue cooperation on training and technology. These efforts continue even as their political counterparts issue statements of moral outrage and condemnation. The contradiction reflects more than a double standard. It reveals a deeper divide between political perception and military reality, between external messaging and internal understanding, between illusion and experience.

Since the war in Gaza began, Israel has hosted dozens of foreign delegations. Military officers and defense officials observe Israeli operations firsthand. They ask technical questions about targeting processes, coordination between air and ground forces, real-time intelligence integration, and how combat units distinguish between civilians and combatants under fire. Some return weeks later to formalize cooperation on areas ranging from tunnel warfare to hostage recovery to civilian harm mitigation. Meanwhile, many of their political counterparts deliver rehearsed remarks emphasizing restraint, proportionality, and civilian protection, often with little connection to the operational context or ground realities they were just briefed on.

This is not just political inconsistency. It is strategic dissonance. War is never clean. Urban warfare against a hybrid enemy embedded in civilian areas is among the most complex challenges modern democracies will face. Yet the public discussion is often dominated by expectations of precision and perfection that no military force can guarantee. In many capitals, political performance overrides professional understanding.

In Gaza, Hamas constructed more than 300 miles of fortified tunnels beneath civilian infrastructure. It operates from hospitals, schools, and mosques by design, not necessity. Early in the war, the IDF learned a simple rule: if you want to find a tunnel, look beneath a school. If you are searching for an enemy headquarters, start under a mosque. If you suspect an arms depot, check the basement of a hospital. This is not coincidence; it is a consistent, deliberate tactic. Hamas has blocked evacuations, placed command centers inside humanitarian zones, and taken hundreds of hostages. These are not side effects of war. They are deliberate features of a strategy built to paralyze democracies, provoke condemnation, and weaponize civilian suffering. The targeting of civilians is not incidental. It is essential to Hamas’s operational concept.

Many political leaders respond by invoking past conflicts. They reference battles in Mosul, Aleppo, Fallujah, or Raqqa, assuming these comparisons provide meaningful precedent. But most of these conflicts did not involve an adversary intentionally preventing civilians from leaving combat zones. Most did not involve hundreds of hostages dispersed across a dense urban battlefield. Most involved insurgencies, not foreign-backed terror armies. Many involved military forces that did not follow the same standards of precision and accountability expected of Israel. These differences matter. Failing to account for them leads to flawed analysis and unrealistic policy prescriptions.

These dynamics are not limited to Gaza. Across the region, similar tactics are emerging. In southern Syria, the Julani regime has carried out atrocities against the Druze population while embedded within civilian areas. These acts of cruelty follow the same playbook used by Hamas. Yet few international voices draw consistent lines between them. This silence reflects another gap: the unwillingness to apply standards evenly when the political costs differ. Condemnation is directed at those who can hear it. Those who operate beyond the reach of democratic norms often face no scrutiny at all.

While calls for humanitarian concern grow louder, few political leaders press for solutions that would actually reduce civilian harm. Egypt continues to keep its border with Gaza closed, despite being the sole neighboring country uninvolved in the conflict and capable of providing immediate relief to civilians seeking safety. Evacuation routes remain blocked. Temporary refuge for civilians is politically possible but diplomatically ignored. Not a single major European government or United Nations body has mounted sustained pressure on Cairo to open the Rafah crossing or to establish a displaced persons or humanitarian zone a few kilometers into the Sinai. Instead, criticism centers on Israel, the only actor currently conducting both combat and humanitarian operations in the same battlespace. The imbalance distorts both perception and policy.

This is not the first time democracies have confronted hard choices. The wars of the twentieth century were waged with heavy costs. Civilian casualties were tragically high. But the principle of civilian protection was strengthened over time, especially with the Geneva Conventions adopted after World War II. Those conventions remain the foundation of the modern laws of war. They prohibit intentional attacks on civilians and impose a duty to take feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm. But they do not demand perfection, nor do they outlaw war itself. When adversaries exploit civilians to provoke condemnation and delay operations, the responsibility lies with those who commit the violations—not those who attempt to respond within the law.

The numbers bear remembering. Two million civilians died in the Korean War, averaging over 50,000 per month. More than ten thousand were killed in the liberation of a single city, Mosul. Hundreds of thousands died during military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cities were flattened in the campaign against ISIS. These are not historical footnotes. They are reminders of what war has always entailed, especially in dense urban environments. Today, only one military—the IDF—is expected to achieve battlefield success without error, without civilian harm, and without criticism, even as it faces enemies who deliberately try to make this impossible.

Despite this, militaries around the world continue to seek Israeli knowledge. Governments initiate formal cooperation agreements. Officers train in Israeli facilities. Procurement programs focus on Israeli defense technologies developed through experience in real combat conditions. These are not isolated interactions. They are serious, structured engagements based on the recognition that similar wars may lie ahead. European and NATO militaries understand that future threats may look more like Hamas than like conventional armies. They are preparing accordingly.
This is not a blanket condemnation of all political leaders. Many do understand what modern war demands and the reality Israel is confronting. Nor is the political-professional divide a one-way street. War is ultimately the pursuit of political objectives, and in a democracy, those objectives are set by political leaders based on the best advice of their military advisors. At the same time, senior military leaders must understand the domestic, international, and geopolitical factors that frame and constrain the use of force. Political leaders cannot speak about war without accounting for context, history, strategy, tactics, and operational reality. And military leaders cannot speak about war without understanding the political environment that defines it. The tension between political and professional perspectives is not a flaw. It is a feature of democratic governance. But it must be informed, mutual, and honest.

Unfortunately, that equilibrium is too often lost. Political leaders too often avoid difficult truths. Some present war as inherently unjust. Others suggest that all violence can be avoided with diplomacy or restraint. Few acknowledge that, in extreme cases, force may be both necessary and lawful. This avoidance does not strengthen democracy. It weakens it. It misleads citizens, erodes deterrence, and gives adversaries greater freedom of action.

In Israel, such illusions are not possible. Conflict is measured in meters. Homes sit a few hundred yards from hostile territory. Missiles arrive in seconds. Tunnels turn rear areas into front lines. Civilian buildings become military objectives by design. This is not theoretical. It is a daily reality.
On October 7, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis, many through direct atrocities. Adjusted for population, that would be the equivalent of over 40,000 Americans or more than 8,000 Britons killed in a single day. International law permits self-defense, even in war. It also permits the use of force against military objectives. Proportionality accounts for the presence of civilians, even when they are unlawfully placed at risk by those who violate the laws of war. It requires that civilian harm not be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage and that every feasible precaution be taken to minimize that harm. Israel has done both.
Democracies must regain strategic clarity. They cannot afford to treat war as a morality play while military officers prepare for reality. They must explain to their populations that war, when necessary, is not only legal but at times morally required. They must recognize that the expectations placed on allies today may become the burdens they bear tomorrow. The next war will not wait for consensus. It will demand readiness, resolve, and truth.

If democratic leaders continue to separate what they know privately from what they say publicly, the result will not be greater morality. It will be greater suffering and failure. Silence will not deter enemies. Illusion will not protect civilians. And condemnation, without context or consistency, will not produce peace.

The hard lessons of war must be faced, not avoided. Military professionals understand this. It is time for political leaders to do the same.
General Yoav Gallant, former Israeli Minister of Defense and decorated IDF commander, shares strategic insights on leadership, security, and geopolitics—drawing from nearly five decades at the forefront of Israel’s national defense.

John Spencer is Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute and co-author of Understanding Urban Warfare. A leading expert on urban warfare, he advised senior U.S. Army leaders through strategic roles from the Pentagon to West Point.

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ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 14:04

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 13:49

What about my post makes you think I am talking about Israeli civillians?

To quote myself Personally I find it hard to believe that the same army who intimidates, harasses, injures and kills journalists in the West Bank treat them better in Gaza where there is even less accountability.

The treatment of journalists in the West Bank by the IDF is well documented despite this ongoing harassment, abuse and detainment of the press.

The IDF have also targeted and killed multiple journalists in Lebanon.

Press, cough, cough.

What press credentials did all these targeted journalists have?

Have you seen the videos of ‘journalists’ switching their press vests around with others in Gaza?

Or this one -

https://honestreporting.com/exposed-ap-sells-pictures-by-photojournalist-identified-as-hamas-terrorist-kissed-by-sinwar/

Seems to be quite common over there -

www.camera.org/article/the-national-press-club-hides-a-palestinian-terrorists-knife/

www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/palestinian-terrorism/how-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-use-journalism-as-a-cover-for-terrorism/

EXPOSED: AP Sells Pictures By Photojournalist Identified as Hamas Terrorist, Kissed by Sinwar | HonestReporting

The Associated Press sells photos by a Gazan photojournalist whom Israel identified as a Hamas terrorist, an HonestReporting investigation revealed on

https://honestreporting.com/exposed-ap-sells-pictures-by-photojournalist-identified-as-hamas-terrorist-kissed-by-sinwar

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Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 14:05

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 13:49

What about my post makes you think I am talking about Israeli civillians?

To quote myself Personally I find it hard to believe that the same army who intimidates, harasses, injures and kills journalists in the West Bank treat them better in Gaza where there is even less accountability.

The treatment of journalists in the West Bank by the IDF is well documented despite this ongoing harassment, abuse and detainment of the press.

The IDF have also targeted and killed multiple journalists in Lebanon.

I'm not sure if you've got a specific incident in mind. I found this online:

Since 27 August, journalists, including a team from Al Jazeera, have been impeded from doing their work and forced to leave under threat from the Israeli military. In one case, the military searched their personal phones and forced them to delete material. At least one journalist has been arbitrarily arrested and interrogated, while numerous others reported being chased by bulldozers operated by Israeli security forces.

I have read reports in Al Jazeera and have seen for myself the journalists are not neutral, they are heavily biased against Israel in their reporting. Which probably explains why, if they are wearing Al Jazeera press jackets, they get rough treatment by the IDF in the West Bank.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:17

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 14:04

Press, cough, cough.

What press credentials did all these targeted journalists have?

Have you seen the videos of ‘journalists’ switching their press vests around with others in Gaza?

Or this one -

https://honestreporting.com/exposed-ap-sells-pictures-by-photojournalist-identified-as-hamas-terrorist-kissed-by-sinwar/

Seems to be quite common over there -

www.camera.org/article/the-national-press-club-hides-a-palestinian-terrorists-knife/

www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/palestinian-terrorism/how-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-use-journalism-as-a-cover-for-terrorism/

Honest reporting and obviously the IDF have already been assessed on other threads as seriously biased and spread misinformation.

Hadn't heard of the camera.org one. After reading through many of their articles just now I can see they criticise everything that’s being reported against Israel. Like for example denying genocide

Not allowing journalists in feeds these biased and lieing seriously crap organisations and online insta sites.

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 14:23

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 14:05

I'm not sure if you've got a specific incident in mind. I found this online:

Since 27 August, journalists, including a team from Al Jazeera, have been impeded from doing their work and forced to leave under threat from the Israeli military. In one case, the military searched their personal phones and forced them to delete material. At least one journalist has been arbitrarily arrested and interrogated, while numerous others reported being chased by bulldozers operated by Israeli security forces.

I have read reports in Al Jazeera and have seen for myself the journalists are not neutral, they are heavily biased against Israel in their reporting. Which probably explains why, if they are wearing Al Jazeera press jackets, they get rough treatment by the IDF in the West Bank.

No I don't have a specific incident in mind. I am talking about the wide spread harassment, intimidation and detainment of journalists in the West Bank by the IDF. The same army that you are defending in your previous posts. I was presuming that someone defending the treatment of journalists by the IDF was well informed of their actions.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:33

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 14:23

No I don't have a specific incident in mind. I am talking about the wide spread harassment, intimidation and detainment of journalists in the West Bank by the IDF. The same army that you are defending in your previous posts. I was presuming that someone defending the treatment of journalists by the IDF was well informed of their actions.

Agree @GladioliGreen you've only got to google for plenty of examples

Cant believe people posting here have missed all the news

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 14:35

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 14:04

Press, cough, cough.

What press credentials did all these targeted journalists have?

Have you seen the videos of ‘journalists’ switching their press vests around with others in Gaza?

Or this one -

https://honestreporting.com/exposed-ap-sells-pictures-by-photojournalist-identified-as-hamas-terrorist-kissed-by-sinwar/

Seems to be quite common over there -

www.camera.org/article/the-national-press-club-hides-a-palestinian-terrorists-knife/

www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/palestinian-terrorism/how-hamas-and-islamic-jihad-use-journalism-as-a-cover-for-terrorism/

Journalists like Dylan Collins and Christina Assisi who is now an amputee thanks to an Israeli attack on journalists. Dylan Collins for instance has reported on conflicts including the Gaza Strip, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, and Nagorno-Karabakh, as well as the Beirut blast.

“It was starting to get dark and that's when we were about to leave and then suddenly, out of nowhere, we were targeted,” she said.

“The first time I was on the ground, I couldn't really understand what was happening, and I was screaming for help. So, my colleague Dylan rushed to help me and put a tourniquet on me. But then, like 40 to 47 seconds later, we were targeted again.”

After the second strike, Ms. Assi found herself alone beside a burning car. Bleeding and gravely injured, she had no choice but to crawl away to save her life.“My press vest was too heavy, and the camera belt was suffocating,” she recalled.

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 14:39

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:17

Honest reporting and obviously the IDF have already been assessed on other threads as seriously biased and spread misinformation.

Hadn't heard of the camera.org one. After reading through many of their articles just now I can see they criticise everything that’s being reported against Israel. Like for example denying genocide

Not allowing journalists in feeds these biased and lieing seriously crap organisations and online insta sites.

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Assessed by whom?

Why do you think everyone should agree with the pro-Palestinian narrative? Is that a prerequisite for posting on this board?

Honest Reporting is exactly that. Did you bother to read why it was created?

Where has it spread misinformation? The whole purpose is the exact opposite.

Has Hamas been assessed being as seriously biased and spreading misinformation as opposed to only the IDF?

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Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 14:42

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 14:23

No I don't have a specific incident in mind. I am talking about the wide spread harassment, intimidation and detainment of journalists in the West Bank by the IDF. The same army that you are defending in your previous posts. I was presuming that someone defending the treatment of journalists by the IDF was well informed of their actions.

Well as I said above I do understand why the IDF would be hostile towards journalists they know to have an anti Israel bias like the ones from Al Jazeera.

And local journalists are dying & getting injured because they are reporting from a chaotic war zone. It’s not a safe place to be, and if international journalists were allowed to roam about on the ground they would be getting killed & injured too.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:50

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 14:39

Assessed by whom?

Why do you think everyone should agree with the pro-Palestinian narrative? Is that a prerequisite for posting on this board?

Honest Reporting is exactly that. Did you bother to read why it was created?

Where has it spread misinformation? The whole purpose is the exact opposite.

Has Hamas been assessed being as seriously biased and spreading misinformation as opposed to only the IDF?

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Your sources are one sided and biased.

They’ve been posted before here and we know their bias is well known.

No
Im not interested in pro Palestinian propaganda either
I want the absolute truth
So. Independent journalism then

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:53

Apologies for the underwear advert. 🤯 it sneaked in

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 14:56

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:50

Your sources are one sided and biased.

They’ve been posted before here and we know their bias is well known.

No
Im not interested in pro Palestinian propaganda either
I want the absolute truth
So. Independent journalism then

Can you direct me to any?

Independent journalism?

Extremely disingenuous that you say that when you believe everything that has come out of Gaza from your posts on this board.

Shockingly so in fact.

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UltraHorse · 09/08/2025 14:58

Palestinians have been killed trying to get food starving and then shot Israel has gone way too far

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 15:03

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:53

Apologies for the underwear advert. 🤯 it sneaked in

That doesn’t mean they haven’t been allowed in.

I fully support Israel’s stance that journalists must be embedded with the IDF for their own safety and also, more importantly, to not let them compromise IDF troops.

If you don’t understand why, perhaps look up the realities of the warfare tactics and terrain of this unprecedented war. John Spencer gives information on this if you are interested in his expert analysis.

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Dummydimmer · 09/08/2025 15:10

The pro Israel commentators on this site are upset that Israel is roundly criticised by many states. Mass starvation of weaker opponents is not a good look. Israel wants Palestine for themselves and are undertaking ethnic cleansing to achieve their aims. That's about it.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:13

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 14:56

Can you direct me to any?

Independent journalism?

Extremely disingenuous that you say that when you believe everything that has come out of Gaza from your posts on this board.

Shockingly so in fact.

I cant
because they aren’t allowed in anymore and over 200 were killed by the IDF

digsd · 09/08/2025 15:22

Palestine does need to be freed.
From Hamas.

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 15:31

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 14:42

Well as I said above I do understand why the IDF would be hostile towards journalists they know to have an anti Israel bias like the ones from Al Jazeera.

And local journalists are dying & getting injured because they are reporting from a chaotic war zone. It’s not a safe place to be, and if international journalists were allowed to roam about on the ground they would be getting killed & injured too.

You are understanding that a countries military would be 'hostile' towards journalists because they don't like what they write. What are they, toddlers or soldiers getting paid to represent their country?

It's not acceptable in my mind at all that soldiers would act in anyway but as professionals. Letting their personal feelings about what journalists write influence how they treat them. Harassment, intimidation, detainment, torture, sexual violence, should never be excused. Especially not by people in positions in power and those wielding weapons like members of the IDF. If they can't leave their personal feelings at home then they clearly aren't suitable for the job.

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 15:58

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 15:31

You are understanding that a countries military would be 'hostile' towards journalists because they don't like what they write. What are they, toddlers or soldiers getting paid to represent their country?

It's not acceptable in my mind at all that soldiers would act in anyway but as professionals. Letting their personal feelings about what journalists write influence how they treat them. Harassment, intimidation, detainment, torture, sexual violence, should never be excused. Especially not by people in positions in power and those wielding weapons like members of the IDF. If they can't leave their personal feelings at home then they clearly aren't suitable for the job.

The only torture & sexual violence I’m aware of is what Hamas did to civilians on 7/10 & afterwards.

I did ask for specific examples but you wouldn’t give them so we are left with the general things that I am aware of. Did the torture & sexual violence from the IDF to journalists actually happen or are you making it up?

LoremIpsumCici · 09/08/2025 16:07

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 14:05

I'm not sure if you've got a specific incident in mind. I found this online:

Since 27 August, journalists, including a team from Al Jazeera, have been impeded from doing their work and forced to leave under threat from the Israeli military. In one case, the military searched their personal phones and forced them to delete material. At least one journalist has been arbitrarily arrested and interrogated, while numerous others reported being chased by bulldozers operated by Israeli security forces.

I have read reports in Al Jazeera and have seen for myself the journalists are not neutral, they are heavily biased against Israel in their reporting. Which probably explains why, if they are wearing Al Jazeera press jackets, they get rough treatment by the IDF in the West Bank.

Or maybe the “rough treatment” by the IDF of ethnically Arab journalists which includes injuring and killing them has created the negative bias they have towards the IDF?

it’s a bit of a chicken and egg quandry as the violence and deaths go back at least twenty years.

The PA, Hamas and PIJ have also attacked and killed Al Jazeera journalists, funny you didn’t mention that, almost like it doesn’t fit the narrative that these journalists are anti Israel instead of professional journalists who are getting targeted for violence when they expose the crimes of any authorities or armed terrorists. Kind of indicates they are not proHamas or anti Israel but anti violence and abuse of power.

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 16:13

LoremIpsumCici · 09/08/2025 16:07

Or maybe the “rough treatment” by the IDF of ethnically Arab journalists which includes injuring and killing them has created the negative bias they have towards the IDF?

it’s a bit of a chicken and egg quandry as the violence and deaths go back at least twenty years.

The PA, Hamas and PIJ have also attacked and killed Al Jazeera journalists, funny you didn’t mention that, almost like it doesn’t fit the narrative that these journalists are anti Israel instead of professional journalists who are getting targeted for violence when they expose the crimes of any authorities or armed terrorists. Kind of indicates they are not proHamas or anti Israel but anti violence and abuse of power.

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I can’t take someone seriously who denies that Al Jazeera journalists are anti Israel.

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 16:14

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 15:58

The only torture & sexual violence I’m aware of is what Hamas did to civilians on 7/10 & afterwards.

I did ask for specific examples but you wouldn’t give them so we are left with the general things that I am aware of. Did the torture & sexual violence from the IDF to journalists actually happen or are you making it up?

That's interesting. That you feel comfortable defending an organisation without ever, it would seem, having done any research on them and clearly having no desire to. I suppose they do say ignorance is bliss.

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 16:16

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 16:14

That's interesting. That you feel comfortable defending an organisation without ever, it would seem, having done any research on them and clearly having no desire to. I suppose they do say ignorance is bliss.

Where are your specific examples of torture & sexual violence from the IDF to journalists?

BourgeoisBabe · 09/08/2025 16:18

Dummydimmer · 09/08/2025 15:10

The pro Israel commentators on this site are upset that Israel is roundly criticised by many states. Mass starvation of weaker opponents is not a good look. Israel wants Palestine for themselves and are undertaking ethnic cleansing to achieve their aims. That's about it.

Strongly agree with this.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 16:19

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 16:14

That's interesting. That you feel comfortable defending an organisation without ever, it would seem, having done any research on them and clearly having no desire to. I suppose they do say ignorance is bliss.

Tbf I would be very surprised if Twiglets hasn’t read news articles on this
They have always come across as well informed

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 16:21

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 16:19

Tbf I would be very surprised if Twiglets hasn’t read news articles on this
They have always come across as well informed

I haven’t.

Im posting in good faith and don’t see who someone wouldn’t provide specific evidence of something happening. I try to provide evidence when I make claims and definitely would if someone asked politely.

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