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No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.

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ConscientiousObserver · 06/08/2025 21:36

Extremely informative article by Yoav Gallant, Former Israeli Defence Minister and John Spencer, Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute.

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces. Yet behind closed doors, few are more studied. Western generals and defense officials routinely seek Israeli briefings, request access to doctrine and tactics, and pursue cooperation on training and technology. These efforts continue even as their political counterparts issue statements of moral outrage and condemnation. The contradiction reflects more than a double standard. It reveals a deeper divide between political perception and military reality, between external messaging and internal understanding, between illusion and experience.

Since the war in Gaza began, Israel has hosted dozens of foreign delegations. Military officers and defense officials observe Israeli operations firsthand. They ask technical questions about targeting processes, coordination between air and ground forces, real-time intelligence integration, and how combat units distinguish between civilians and combatants under fire. Some return weeks later to formalize cooperation on areas ranging from tunnel warfare to hostage recovery to civilian harm mitigation. Meanwhile, many of their political counterparts deliver rehearsed remarks emphasizing restraint, proportionality, and civilian protection, often with little connection to the operational context or ground realities they were just briefed on.

This is not just political inconsistency. It is strategic dissonance. War is never clean. Urban warfare against a hybrid enemy embedded in civilian areas is among the most complex challenges modern democracies will face. Yet the public discussion is often dominated by expectations of precision and perfection that no military force can guarantee. In many capitals, political performance overrides professional understanding.

In Gaza, Hamas constructed more than 300 miles of fortified tunnels beneath civilian infrastructure. It operates from hospitals, schools, and mosques by design, not necessity. Early in the war, the IDF learned a simple rule: if you want to find a tunnel, look beneath a school. If you are searching for an enemy headquarters, start under a mosque. If you suspect an arms depot, check the basement of a hospital. This is not coincidence; it is a consistent, deliberate tactic. Hamas has blocked evacuations, placed command centers inside humanitarian zones, and taken hundreds of hostages. These are not side effects of war. They are deliberate features of a strategy built to paralyze democracies, provoke condemnation, and weaponize civilian suffering. The targeting of civilians is not incidental. It is essential to Hamas’s operational concept.

Many political leaders respond by invoking past conflicts. They reference battles in Mosul, Aleppo, Fallujah, or Raqqa, assuming these comparisons provide meaningful precedent. But most of these conflicts did not involve an adversary intentionally preventing civilians from leaving combat zones. Most did not involve hundreds of hostages dispersed across a dense urban battlefield. Most involved insurgencies, not foreign-backed terror armies. Many involved military forces that did not follow the same standards of precision and accountability expected of Israel. These differences matter. Failing to account for them leads to flawed analysis and unrealistic policy prescriptions.

These dynamics are not limited to Gaza. Across the region, similar tactics are emerging. In southern Syria, the Julani regime has carried out atrocities against the Druze population while embedded within civilian areas. These acts of cruelty follow the same playbook used by Hamas. Yet few international voices draw consistent lines between them. This silence reflects another gap: the unwillingness to apply standards evenly when the political costs differ. Condemnation is directed at those who can hear it. Those who operate beyond the reach of democratic norms often face no scrutiny at all.

While calls for humanitarian concern grow louder, few political leaders press for solutions that would actually reduce civilian harm. Egypt continues to keep its border with Gaza closed, despite being the sole neighboring country uninvolved in the conflict and capable of providing immediate relief to civilians seeking safety. Evacuation routes remain blocked. Temporary refuge for civilians is politically possible but diplomatically ignored. Not a single major European government or United Nations body has mounted sustained pressure on Cairo to open the Rafah crossing or to establish a displaced persons or humanitarian zone a few kilometers into the Sinai. Instead, criticism centers on Israel, the only actor currently conducting both combat and humanitarian operations in the same battlespace. The imbalance distorts both perception and policy.

This is not the first time democracies have confronted hard choices. The wars of the twentieth century were waged with heavy costs. Civilian casualties were tragically high. But the principle of civilian protection was strengthened over time, especially with the Geneva Conventions adopted after World War II. Those conventions remain the foundation of the modern laws of war. They prohibit intentional attacks on civilians and impose a duty to take feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm. But they do not demand perfection, nor do they outlaw war itself. When adversaries exploit civilians to provoke condemnation and delay operations, the responsibility lies with those who commit the violations—not those who attempt to respond within the law.

The numbers bear remembering. Two million civilians died in the Korean War, averaging over 50,000 per month. More than ten thousand were killed in the liberation of a single city, Mosul. Hundreds of thousands died during military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cities were flattened in the campaign against ISIS. These are not historical footnotes. They are reminders of what war has always entailed, especially in dense urban environments. Today, only one military—the IDF—is expected to achieve battlefield success without error, without civilian harm, and without criticism, even as it faces enemies who deliberately try to make this impossible.

Despite this, militaries around the world continue to seek Israeli knowledge. Governments initiate formal cooperation agreements. Officers train in Israeli facilities. Procurement programs focus on Israeli defense technologies developed through experience in real combat conditions. These are not isolated interactions. They are serious, structured engagements based on the recognition that similar wars may lie ahead. European and NATO militaries understand that future threats may look more like Hamas than like conventional armies. They are preparing accordingly.
This is not a blanket condemnation of all political leaders. Many do understand what modern war demands and the reality Israel is confronting. Nor is the political-professional divide a one-way street. War is ultimately the pursuit of political objectives, and in a democracy, those objectives are set by political leaders based on the best advice of their military advisors. At the same time, senior military leaders must understand the domestic, international, and geopolitical factors that frame and constrain the use of force. Political leaders cannot speak about war without accounting for context, history, strategy, tactics, and operational reality. And military leaders cannot speak about war without understanding the political environment that defines it. The tension between political and professional perspectives is not a flaw. It is a feature of democratic governance. But it must be informed, mutual, and honest.

Unfortunately, that equilibrium is too often lost. Political leaders too often avoid difficult truths. Some present war as inherently unjust. Others suggest that all violence can be avoided with diplomacy or restraint. Few acknowledge that, in extreme cases, force may be both necessary and lawful. This avoidance does not strengthen democracy. It weakens it. It misleads citizens, erodes deterrence, and gives adversaries greater freedom of action.

In Israel, such illusions are not possible. Conflict is measured in meters. Homes sit a few hundred yards from hostile territory. Missiles arrive in seconds. Tunnels turn rear areas into front lines. Civilian buildings become military objectives by design. This is not theoretical. It is a daily reality.
On October 7, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis, many through direct atrocities. Adjusted for population, that would be the equivalent of over 40,000 Americans or more than 8,000 Britons killed in a single day. International law permits self-defense, even in war. It also permits the use of force against military objectives. Proportionality accounts for the presence of civilians, even when they are unlawfully placed at risk by those who violate the laws of war. It requires that civilian harm not be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage and that every feasible precaution be taken to minimize that harm. Israel has done both.
Democracies must regain strategic clarity. They cannot afford to treat war as a morality play while military officers prepare for reality. They must explain to their populations that war, when necessary, is not only legal but at times morally required. They must recognize that the expectations placed on allies today may become the burdens they bear tomorrow. The next war will not wait for consensus. It will demand readiness, resolve, and truth.

If democratic leaders continue to separate what they know privately from what they say publicly, the result will not be greater morality. It will be greater suffering and failure. Silence will not deter enemies. Illusion will not protect civilians. And condemnation, without context or consistency, will not produce peace.

The hard lessons of war must be faced, not avoided. Military professionals understand this. It is time for political leaders to do the same.
General Yoav Gallant, former Israeli Minister of Defense and decorated IDF commander, shares strategic insights on leadership, security, and geopolitics—drawing from nearly five decades at the forefront of Israel’s national defense.

John Spencer is Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute and co-author of Understanding Urban Warfare. A leading expert on urban warfare, he advised senior U.S. Army leaders through strategic roles from the Pentagon to West Point.

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Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 17:25

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 16:43

Then Twigs this is a recent article mainly about a demo in the West Bank on 4th August. Part of it highlights the number of detained journalists. Then tally that with their treatment

Where is this article from? I am asking for sources to prove evidence of the IDF torturing journalists and using sexual violence against them.

The number of journalists is not in contention. Only if there is evidence of the above.

LoremIpsumCici · 09/08/2025 17:27

@Twiglets1
In fact it provides evidence for my opinion that local journalists in Gaza cannot be unbiased because they would be punished by Hamas if they said anything negative about them.

That wasn’t the sum of your opinion. You stated that local journalists in Gaza and the West Bank have an anti Israel bias.

The article provides evidence for local Gaza journalists being censored and barred from reporting by Hamas using intimidation and violence- even execution. It doesn’t indicate an internal bias on the part of the journalists against Israel.

if we apply your logic to Palestinian journalists in the West Bank being harassed, intimidated, detained, even killed by the IDF…then wouldn’t that make their coverage biased against Palestine because they’re afraid of the IDF?

See how your logic makes no sense? You’re taking censorship by force as evidence of the oppressed journalists being biased..,

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 17:33

LoremIpsumCici · 09/08/2025 17:27

@Twiglets1
In fact it provides evidence for my opinion that local journalists in Gaza cannot be unbiased because they would be punished by Hamas if they said anything negative about them.

That wasn’t the sum of your opinion. You stated that local journalists in Gaza and the West Bank have an anti Israel bias.

The article provides evidence for local Gaza journalists being censored and barred from reporting by Hamas using intimidation and violence- even execution. It doesn’t indicate an internal bias on the part of the journalists against Israel.

if we apply your logic to Palestinian journalists in the West Bank being harassed, intimidated, detained, even killed by the IDF…then wouldn’t that make their coverage biased against Palestine because they’re afraid of the IDF?

See how your logic makes no sense? You’re taking censorship by force as evidence of the oppressed journalists being biased..,

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Oh come on.

How can journalists who have to report only what Hamas want them to report or face - in your words - "intimidation and violence -even execution" have anything other than an anti- Israel bias?

It's not like information isn't coming out of Gaza from these local journalists, it is. But they dare not report anything Hamas wouldn't like them reporting.

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 17:36

Oh I notice now @DrPrunesqualer that your source is Press TV.

Press TV is an Iranian news and documentary network that broadcasts in the English and French-language. It is affiliated with Islamic Republic of Iran.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:49

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 17:36

Oh I notice now @DrPrunesqualer that your source is Press TV.

Press TV is an Iranian news and documentary network that broadcasts in the English and French-language. It is affiliated with Islamic Republic of Iran.

Its a transcript of a live interview

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:50

The other source is from the Real News Network

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:52

If you want to read facts relating to rape, torture and sodomy of Palestinians or anyone in their jails in any of the Israeli papers you’ll be waiting forever

Its ridiculous to think otherwise

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:55

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 17:36

Oh I notice now @DrPrunesqualer that your source is Press TV.

Press TV is an Iranian news and documentary network that broadcasts in the English and French-language. It is affiliated with Islamic Republic of Iran.

This is the headliner on Ashiras article from the Real World Press

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 17:56

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:52

If you want to read facts relating to rape, torture and sodomy of Palestinians or anyone in their jails in any of the Israeli papers you’ll be waiting forever

Its ridiculous to think otherwise

I just want to see evidence from a reputable source that has been known to be critical of both sides (like the BBC) rather than from a Iranian news and documentary network that is affiliated with Islamic Republic of Iran.

Sorry but I don't consider that a reputable source. If you're getting your news from Iranian TV it explains your perspective being very different from mine.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:57

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:55

This is the headliner on Ashiras article from the Real World Press

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and this @Twiglets is info on The Real World Press credibility

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
Notmycircusnotmyotter · 09/08/2025 18:00

Thanks for posting. Incredibly well written and absolutely accurate.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 18:01

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 17:56

I just want to see evidence from a reputable source that has been known to be critical of both sides (like the BBC) rather than from a Iranian news and documentary network that is affiliated with Islamic Republic of Iran.

Sorry but I don't consider that a reputable source. If you're getting your news from Iranian TV it explains your perspective being very different from mine.

The Iranian news article is posting re the demonstration mainly. I posted it only for numbers in jail. As a reflection in numbers of journalists, women etc.

The Ashira article notes the torture etc. As do many International organisations that go into the prisons

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 09/08/2025 18:01

Christ alive people are quoting Press TV?! When I worked in Westminster it was well known for being an Iranian spin show

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 09/08/2025 18:01

Christ alive people are quoting Press TV?! When I worked in Westminster it was well known for being an Iranian spin show

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 09/08/2025 18:01

Christ alive people are quoting Press TV?! When I worked in Westminster it was well known for being an Iranian spin show

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 09/08/2025 18:02

Christ alive people are quoting Press TV?! When I worked in Westminster it was well known for being an Iranian spin show

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 18:08

An alternative view on the credibility of Palestinian activist Ashira Dawish and documentary film, “Where Olive Trees Weep” in a blog by Havira Ner-David:

I, an activist for peace and partnership between Palestinians and Jews, was emotionally and spiritually down Monday after participating the night before in a webinar with West Bank Palestinian activist, journalist, and trauma healer Ashira Darwish.

I watched the film before the webinar and was already upset about its one-sided anti-Israel nature. It presents the occupation without any context, except as saying it is part of a colonialist project of the West to take over the East which culminated with the settlement of white Jews in Palestine.

There is no mention of the Hamas attack when discussing the current war in Gaza; no mention of the rejection of the Partition Plan and attack on Israel from the surrounding Arab states and expulsion of Jews from those lands, when discussing the Nakba; no mention of the 2nd Intifada except to praise the suicide bombers as martyrs and freedom fighters. Etc. Etc.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/replenishing-hope-for-partnership-and-peace/

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 18:11

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 17:57

and this @Twiglets is info on The Real World Press credibility

  • Overall, we rate Press TV Questionable based on the promotion of Iranian Propaganda and Conspiracies related to the West and poor sourcing and the publication of fake news.

(their verdict on the credibility of your other source, Press TV)

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 18:16

Wow this is just sums up the whole debate on this conflict for me. Especially on here.

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GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 21:08

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 16:16

Where are your specific examples of torture & sexual violence from the IDF to journalists?

I'm not your Google. It's up to you to do research into organisations that you are defending. You have very specifically decided to defend the IDFs treatment of journalists. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect people to know what it is that they are defending.

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 21:16

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 21:08

I'm not your Google. It's up to you to do research into organisations that you are defending. You have very specifically decided to defend the IDFs treatment of journalists. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect people to know what it is that they are defending.

I’ll take that as a No that you can’t find the evidence you were sure was there. You were the one making a very specific accusation not me. Dress it up how you want but I’m sure if the evidence was easily available you would have provided it by now.

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 21:21

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 15:58

The only torture & sexual violence I’m aware of is what Hamas did to civilians on 7/10 & afterwards.

I did ask for specific examples but you wouldn’t give them so we are left with the general things that I am aware of. Did the torture & sexual violence from the IDF to journalists actually happen or are you making it up?

Just to note as well that you have said The only torture & sexual violence I’m aware of is what Hamas did to civilians on 7/10 & afterwards.

The gang rape that was filmed went straight over your head did it? You haven't read any of the whistleblower accounts or the the accounts of victims of Israeli torture?

It is very difficult to believe that you are posting in 'good faith' when you deny sexual violence and torture. There comes a point when you are wasting your time posting and pulling out links for someone who has seen that sexual violence exists towards Palestinians but still denies that it happens goes into the waste of time pile.

SammyScrounge · 09/08/2025 22:21

Stripes56 · 06/08/2025 22:39

Well said.
At least they do not even try and justify the blockade of aid as a war tactic. Laying siege to a population- very sophisticated in terms of modern warfare.

It's a sobering article explaining the realities of war. Read again the bit about tunnels turning rear areas.into front lines., about how to locate enemy command.centres and weapon dumps and the places where they were hidden. In real life someone has to decide whether they bomb that school or mosque and kill enemy citizens or let them stand and sacrifice their own.
Israel must face these decisions.every day.while we sit in our armchairs and condemn them.

Reallynotsure25 · 09/08/2025 22:37

SomeWomanSomewhere · 06/08/2025 21:44

Personally, I don't give much credence to the opinions of individuals personally subject to international arrest warrants on the grounds of ... checks notes ... war crimes and crimes against humanity.

This

Stripes56 · 09/08/2025 23:14

SammyScrounge · 09/08/2025 22:21

It's a sobering article explaining the realities of war. Read again the bit about tunnels turning rear areas.into front lines., about how to locate enemy command.centres and weapon dumps and the places where they were hidden. In real life someone has to decide whether they bomb that school or mosque and kill enemy citizens or let them stand and sacrifice their own.
Israel must face these decisions.every day.while we sit in our armchairs and condemn them.

I don’t envy the decisions the IDF have had to make, but doesn’t mean I need to agree with them. The message that is coming out loud and clear is that Palestinians’ lives appear to mean little to both the IDF and Hamas. The number of Gazans being killed collecting aid by the IDF, the repeated mistakes IDF agrees it has made, the change in proportion of civilians they decided could die to kill a Hamas target post 7/10, not allowing in sufficient aid including water, continuing the bombardment of Gaza when military leaders have said objectives fulfilled etc are all examples that suggest a systemic lack of concerns regarding the lives of innocent Palestinians.

There’s no excuse for aid being used by either side as a tool of war- and hence warrants for war crimes.

The IDF now taking over Gaza city is going to be a further dreadful escalation that even IDF military leaders are wary of.

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