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Conflict in the Middle East

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.

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ConscientiousObserver · 06/08/2025 21:36

Extremely informative article by Yoav Gallant, Former Israeli Defence Minister and John Spencer, Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute.

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces. Yet behind closed doors, few are more studied. Western generals and defense officials routinely seek Israeli briefings, request access to doctrine and tactics, and pursue cooperation on training and technology. These efforts continue even as their political counterparts issue statements of moral outrage and condemnation. The contradiction reflects more than a double standard. It reveals a deeper divide between political perception and military reality, between external messaging and internal understanding, between illusion and experience.

Since the war in Gaza began, Israel has hosted dozens of foreign delegations. Military officers and defense officials observe Israeli operations firsthand. They ask technical questions about targeting processes, coordination between air and ground forces, real-time intelligence integration, and how combat units distinguish between civilians and combatants under fire. Some return weeks later to formalize cooperation on areas ranging from tunnel warfare to hostage recovery to civilian harm mitigation. Meanwhile, many of their political counterparts deliver rehearsed remarks emphasizing restraint, proportionality, and civilian protection, often with little connection to the operational context or ground realities they were just briefed on.

This is not just political inconsistency. It is strategic dissonance. War is never clean. Urban warfare against a hybrid enemy embedded in civilian areas is among the most complex challenges modern democracies will face. Yet the public discussion is often dominated by expectations of precision and perfection that no military force can guarantee. In many capitals, political performance overrides professional understanding.

In Gaza, Hamas constructed more than 300 miles of fortified tunnels beneath civilian infrastructure. It operates from hospitals, schools, and mosques by design, not necessity. Early in the war, the IDF learned a simple rule: if you want to find a tunnel, look beneath a school. If you are searching for an enemy headquarters, start under a mosque. If you suspect an arms depot, check the basement of a hospital. This is not coincidence; it is a consistent, deliberate tactic. Hamas has blocked evacuations, placed command centers inside humanitarian zones, and taken hundreds of hostages. These are not side effects of war. They are deliberate features of a strategy built to paralyze democracies, provoke condemnation, and weaponize civilian suffering. The targeting of civilians is not incidental. It is essential to Hamas’s operational concept.

Many political leaders respond by invoking past conflicts. They reference battles in Mosul, Aleppo, Fallujah, or Raqqa, assuming these comparisons provide meaningful precedent. But most of these conflicts did not involve an adversary intentionally preventing civilians from leaving combat zones. Most did not involve hundreds of hostages dispersed across a dense urban battlefield. Most involved insurgencies, not foreign-backed terror armies. Many involved military forces that did not follow the same standards of precision and accountability expected of Israel. These differences matter. Failing to account for them leads to flawed analysis and unrealistic policy prescriptions.

These dynamics are not limited to Gaza. Across the region, similar tactics are emerging. In southern Syria, the Julani regime has carried out atrocities against the Druze population while embedded within civilian areas. These acts of cruelty follow the same playbook used by Hamas. Yet few international voices draw consistent lines between them. This silence reflects another gap: the unwillingness to apply standards evenly when the political costs differ. Condemnation is directed at those who can hear it. Those who operate beyond the reach of democratic norms often face no scrutiny at all.

While calls for humanitarian concern grow louder, few political leaders press for solutions that would actually reduce civilian harm. Egypt continues to keep its border with Gaza closed, despite being the sole neighboring country uninvolved in the conflict and capable of providing immediate relief to civilians seeking safety. Evacuation routes remain blocked. Temporary refuge for civilians is politically possible but diplomatically ignored. Not a single major European government or United Nations body has mounted sustained pressure on Cairo to open the Rafah crossing or to establish a displaced persons or humanitarian zone a few kilometers into the Sinai. Instead, criticism centers on Israel, the only actor currently conducting both combat and humanitarian operations in the same battlespace. The imbalance distorts both perception and policy.

This is not the first time democracies have confronted hard choices. The wars of the twentieth century were waged with heavy costs. Civilian casualties were tragically high. But the principle of civilian protection was strengthened over time, especially with the Geneva Conventions adopted after World War II. Those conventions remain the foundation of the modern laws of war. They prohibit intentional attacks on civilians and impose a duty to take feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm. But they do not demand perfection, nor do they outlaw war itself. When adversaries exploit civilians to provoke condemnation and delay operations, the responsibility lies with those who commit the violations—not those who attempt to respond within the law.

The numbers bear remembering. Two million civilians died in the Korean War, averaging over 50,000 per month. More than ten thousand were killed in the liberation of a single city, Mosul. Hundreds of thousands died during military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cities were flattened in the campaign against ISIS. These are not historical footnotes. They are reminders of what war has always entailed, especially in dense urban environments. Today, only one military—the IDF—is expected to achieve battlefield success without error, without civilian harm, and without criticism, even as it faces enemies who deliberately try to make this impossible.

Despite this, militaries around the world continue to seek Israeli knowledge. Governments initiate formal cooperation agreements. Officers train in Israeli facilities. Procurement programs focus on Israeli defense technologies developed through experience in real combat conditions. These are not isolated interactions. They are serious, structured engagements based on the recognition that similar wars may lie ahead. European and NATO militaries understand that future threats may look more like Hamas than like conventional armies. They are preparing accordingly.
This is not a blanket condemnation of all political leaders. Many do understand what modern war demands and the reality Israel is confronting. Nor is the political-professional divide a one-way street. War is ultimately the pursuit of political objectives, and in a democracy, those objectives are set by political leaders based on the best advice of their military advisors. At the same time, senior military leaders must understand the domestic, international, and geopolitical factors that frame and constrain the use of force. Political leaders cannot speak about war without accounting for context, history, strategy, tactics, and operational reality. And military leaders cannot speak about war without understanding the political environment that defines it. The tension between political and professional perspectives is not a flaw. It is a feature of democratic governance. But it must be informed, mutual, and honest.

Unfortunately, that equilibrium is too often lost. Political leaders too often avoid difficult truths. Some present war as inherently unjust. Others suggest that all violence can be avoided with diplomacy or restraint. Few acknowledge that, in extreme cases, force may be both necessary and lawful. This avoidance does not strengthen democracy. It weakens it. It misleads citizens, erodes deterrence, and gives adversaries greater freedom of action.

In Israel, such illusions are not possible. Conflict is measured in meters. Homes sit a few hundred yards from hostile territory. Missiles arrive in seconds. Tunnels turn rear areas into front lines. Civilian buildings become military objectives by design. This is not theoretical. It is a daily reality.
On October 7, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis, many through direct atrocities. Adjusted for population, that would be the equivalent of over 40,000 Americans or more than 8,000 Britons killed in a single day. International law permits self-defense, even in war. It also permits the use of force against military objectives. Proportionality accounts for the presence of civilians, even when they are unlawfully placed at risk by those who violate the laws of war. It requires that civilian harm not be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage and that every feasible precaution be taken to minimize that harm. Israel has done both.
Democracies must regain strategic clarity. They cannot afford to treat war as a morality play while military officers prepare for reality. They must explain to their populations that war, when necessary, is not only legal but at times morally required. They must recognize that the expectations placed on allies today may become the burdens they bear tomorrow. The next war will not wait for consensus. It will demand readiness, resolve, and truth.

If democratic leaders continue to separate what they know privately from what they say publicly, the result will not be greater morality. It will be greater suffering and failure. Silence will not deter enemies. Illusion will not protect civilians. And condemnation, without context or consistency, will not produce peace.

The hard lessons of war must be faced, not avoided. Military professionals understand this. It is time for political leaders to do the same.
General Yoav Gallant, former Israeli Minister of Defense and decorated IDF commander, shares strategic insights on leadership, security, and geopolitics—drawing from nearly five decades at the forefront of Israel’s national defense.

John Spencer is Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute and co-author of Understanding Urban Warfare. A leading expert on urban warfare, he advised senior U.S. Army leaders through strategic roles from the Pentagon to West Point.

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TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 17:25

keeeymin · 22/08/2025 17:05

Which one state? What would happen to Israel in this scenario?

A one state solution proposes that there one state, it can be called Israel or whether the people of that state determine they want to call it but all people both Israelis and Palestinians will live within this state with fully equal rights. It could be set up however they determine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution

Israel is already operating as one state across the whole land that was previously the British Mandate of Palestine, its just doing it through a vicious occupation and gradual annexing.

One-state solution - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution

keeeymin · 22/08/2025 17:27

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 17:25

A one state solution proposes that there one state, it can be called Israel or whether the people of that state determine they want to call it but all people both Israelis and Palestinians will live within this state with fully equal rights. It could be set up however they determine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-state_solution

Israel is already operating as one state across the whole land that was previously the British Mandate of Palestine, its just doing it through a vicious occupation and gradual annexing.

If the majority of people in this state would be Palestinian, of course it wouldn't be called Israel. You want Israel to be dismantled and Jews to be in the minority like they are everywhere else in the world.

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 17:39

keeeymin · 22/08/2025 17:27

If the majority of people in this state would be Palestinian, of course it wouldn't be called Israel. You want Israel to be dismantled and Jews to be in the minority like they are everywhere else in the world.

I have made it clear its not up to what i want.

If Israel wants its own state without giving Palestinians rights then it should stop thwarting the possibility of a 2 states solution. If it doesnt want to include Palestinians with equal rights - get the fuck out of their territory and start engagjng meaningfully in permanent peace process.

Israel will not eradicate Palestine without destroying/risking the safety of its citizens forever and bringing permanent global disgust and pariahship.

keeeymin · 22/08/2025 17:44

You said that if Israel doesn't think a two state solution is possible there should only be one state. And the current Israeli government does not think a two state solution is possible, so you think there should be one state. And that state would not be Israel, and Jewish people would be in the minority and likely persecuted.

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 17:53

keeeymin · 22/08/2025 17:44

You said that if Israel doesn't think a two state solution is possible there should only be one state. And the current Israeli government does not think a two state solution is possible, so you think there should be one state. And that state would not be Israel, and Jewish people would be in the minority and likely persecuted.

You seem to be suggesting that Israel and Gaza are or should be one state, ie joined together ???

They are not
@TulipLavender is making it very clear that Gaza would go back to being one state

This doesn't affect Israel because Israel has nothing to do with Gaza. They are an invading force and nothing more

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 17:59

keeeymin · 22/08/2025 17:44

You said that if Israel doesn't think a two state solution is possible there should only be one state. And the current Israeli government does not think a two state solution is possible, so you think there should be one state. And that state would not be Israel, and Jewish people would be in the minority and likely persecuted.

But its Israel making that choice not me.

Anything is possible with enough political will.

I see 3 options:

  1. current situation continues where Israel indefininately occupies Gaza and the West Bank, kills Palestinian civilians, slowly takes their land and genocides or ethnic cleanses the Palestinian people. Resulting in most of the worlds people hating Israel and fuelling desire for attacks on Israel, risks of many future October 7ths, a future of insecurity and global pariahship for Israelis.

  2. a 2 state solution

  3. a 1 state solution as i reference earlier.

I am praying for any option that enables peace and dignity for both Palestinians and Israelis.

Israel is actively working against option 2 and option 3 isnt even on the table for them.

Israel is choosing option 1. Im shocked that so many pro-Israelis are also in support of option 1 but cant deal with the backlash and criticism which comes with supporting such policies.

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 18:05

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 17:59

But its Israel making that choice not me.

Anything is possible with enough political will.

I see 3 options:

  1. current situation continues where Israel indefininately occupies Gaza and the West Bank, kills Palestinian civilians, slowly takes their land and genocides or ethnic cleanses the Palestinian people. Resulting in most of the worlds people hating Israel and fuelling desire for attacks on Israel, risks of many future October 7ths, a future of insecurity and global pariahship for Israelis.

  2. a 2 state solution

  3. a 1 state solution as i reference earlier.

I am praying for any option that enables peace and dignity for both Palestinians and Israelis.

Israel is actively working against option 2 and option 3 isnt even on the table for them.

Israel is choosing option 1. Im shocked that so many pro-Israelis are also in support of option 1 but cant deal with the backlash and criticism which comes with supporting such policies.

Another option is option 4 - which is option 1 but the world is silent as Israel destroys Palestine and commits genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people and ensures that the Palestinian people are so subjugated and dehumanised that they cant do anything about it and cant defend themselves in anyway and magically the world forgets the horrors that we have witnessed and moves on. Israel and its supporters actually want that option. But those pesky Pro-Palestinians are making that a bit tricky.

Weltall · 22/08/2025 18:35

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 17:59

But its Israel making that choice not me.

Anything is possible with enough political will.

I see 3 options:

  1. current situation continues where Israel indefininately occupies Gaza and the West Bank, kills Palestinian civilians, slowly takes their land and genocides or ethnic cleanses the Palestinian people. Resulting in most of the worlds people hating Israel and fuelling desire for attacks on Israel, risks of many future October 7ths, a future of insecurity and global pariahship for Israelis.

  2. a 2 state solution

  3. a 1 state solution as i reference earlier.

I am praying for any option that enables peace and dignity for both Palestinians and Israelis.

Israel is actively working against option 2 and option 3 isnt even on the table for them.

Israel is choosing option 1. Im shocked that so many pro-Israelis are also in support of option 1 but cant deal with the backlash and criticism which comes with supporting such policies.

Option 3 doesn't leave much room for peace and dignity for both Palestinians and Israelis either. But you seem to think it should happen if the Israeli government doesn't change their mind, which they won't. Unless not until a new government is elected.

Weltall · 22/08/2025 18:36

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 17:53

You seem to be suggesting that Israel and Gaza are or should be one state, ie joined together ???

They are not
@TulipLavender is making it very clear that Gaza would go back to being one state

This doesn't affect Israel because Israel has nothing to do with Gaza. They are an invading force and nothing more

The only one I see suggesting one state here is TulipLavender.

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 19:10

Weltall · 22/08/2025 18:36

The only one I see suggesting one state here is TulipLavender.

So its perpertual occupation, genocide and ethnic cleansing then is it?

I will never support that. And i am disgusted at anyone who would.

Weltall · 22/08/2025 19:26

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 19:10

So its perpertual occupation, genocide and ethnic cleansing then is it?

I will never support that. And i am disgusted at anyone who would.

Yeah, clearly that's what I want. Well done you've got the measure of me 🙄

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 19:29

Weltall · 22/08/2025 19:26

Yeah, clearly that's what I want. Well done you've got the measure of me 🙄

I don't see any evidence to the contrary with most pro-Israelis.

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 19:30

Ive not seen one pro-Israeli advocate for an end to the occupation of Palestinian Territories or call for Israel to engage meaningfully in negotiations for a lasting peace process with Palestinians.

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 19:36

Weltall · 22/08/2025 18:36

The only one I see suggesting one state here is TulipLavender.

Tulip means
One state for Gaza

Weltall · 22/08/2025 19:40

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 19:29

I don't see any evidence to the contrary with most pro-Israelis.

So anyone who does not explicitly state they are against genocide must be for it? How do you get through life like that?

Weltall · 22/08/2025 19:42

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 19:36

Tulip means
One state for Gaza

That's not the impression I got, or 3hat is described in thr wiki link thry posted. Maybe they can clarify.

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 19:45

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 19:36

Tulip means
One state for Gaza

No that wasn't exactly what i meant. What about the West Bank?
One state solution tends to mean one state for all the people in Israel and Palestinian territory. Im not an expert. One state, 2 states or 3 i dont care as long as it means no one is living under an endless occupation and there is peace and freedom and lives of dignity for everyone.

Im not suggesting 2 states is not possible. I think anything is possible given enough political will. Im just saying Israel cant have its cake and eat it - it cant say no to 2 states and no to equal rights for Palestinians and it will continue to occupy Palestine and expect no negative repercussions.

Weltall · 22/08/2025 20:04

But peace and freedom and lives of dignity for everyone isn't likely in a one state solution either.

Although last time I pointed that out you accused me of being pro genocide so...

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 20:11

Weltall · 22/08/2025 20:04

But peace and freedom and lives of dignity for everyone isn't likely in a one state solution either.

Although last time I pointed that out you accused me of being pro genocide so...

So do you support a 2 state solution to peace?

If not, what is the other option?

I apologise perhaps you do support a 2 state solution or another solution that i dont know of that provides peace and dignity for all.

Weltall · 22/08/2025 21:07

Yes I do. No idea why you'd assume that I do, or that because I think a one state solution is unfair I must support murder and genocide. Do you automatically assume that about everyone you meet?

TulipLavender · 23/08/2025 09:13

Weltall · 22/08/2025 21:07

Yes I do. No idea why you'd assume that I do, or that because I think a one state solution is unfair I must support murder and genocide. Do you automatically assume that about everyone you meet?

No. Again I apologise.

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 03:56

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 17:53

You seem to be suggesting that Israel and Gaza are or should be one state, ie joined together ???

They are not
@TulipLavender is making it very clear that Gaza would go back to being one state

This doesn't affect Israel because Israel has nothing to do with Gaza. They are an invading force and nothing more

@DrPrunesqualer I found this to help explain the idea of the one state.

https://icahd.org/2020/05/10/the-political-program-of-the-campaign-for-one-democratic-state-in-historic-palestine/

Im still learning about it all but i know that is what Ilan Pappe advocates for.

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I don't believe that all Gazan babies and children when they grow up will choose to become terrorists or that Gazan women should be killed to stop them giving birth & I find your suggestion that I "must" do highly offensive.

SharonEllis · 24/08/2025 07:11

TulipLavender · 22/08/2025 19:30

Ive not seen one pro-Israeli advocate for an end to the occupation of Palestinian Territories or call for Israel to engage meaningfully in negotiations for a lasting peace process with Palestinians.

Edited

Well then you haven't been paying attention. I have never, for example seen support on MN for the settlers on the West Bank. All most of us want is peace in the region and meaningful negotiations to reach that end. If Israel could guarantee its security against terrorists whose aim is clear and openly stated, which is to destroy Israel, then progress could be made. I find that most pro-Palestinians simply won't accept this reality.

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