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No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.

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ConscientiousObserver · 06/08/2025 21:36

Extremely informative article by Yoav Gallant, Former Israeli Defence Minister and John Spencer, Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute.

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces. Yet behind closed doors, few are more studied. Western generals and defense officials routinely seek Israeli briefings, request access to doctrine and tactics, and pursue cooperation on training and technology. These efforts continue even as their political counterparts issue statements of moral outrage and condemnation. The contradiction reflects more than a double standard. It reveals a deeper divide between political perception and military reality, between external messaging and internal understanding, between illusion and experience.

Since the war in Gaza began, Israel has hosted dozens of foreign delegations. Military officers and defense officials observe Israeli operations firsthand. They ask technical questions about targeting processes, coordination between air and ground forces, real-time intelligence integration, and how combat units distinguish between civilians and combatants under fire. Some return weeks later to formalize cooperation on areas ranging from tunnel warfare to hostage recovery to civilian harm mitigation. Meanwhile, many of their political counterparts deliver rehearsed remarks emphasizing restraint, proportionality, and civilian protection, often with little connection to the operational context or ground realities they were just briefed on.

This is not just political inconsistency. It is strategic dissonance. War is never clean. Urban warfare against a hybrid enemy embedded in civilian areas is among the most complex challenges modern democracies will face. Yet the public discussion is often dominated by expectations of precision and perfection that no military force can guarantee. In many capitals, political performance overrides professional understanding.

In Gaza, Hamas constructed more than 300 miles of fortified tunnels beneath civilian infrastructure. It operates from hospitals, schools, and mosques by design, not necessity. Early in the war, the IDF learned a simple rule: if you want to find a tunnel, look beneath a school. If you are searching for an enemy headquarters, start under a mosque. If you suspect an arms depot, check the basement of a hospital. This is not coincidence; it is a consistent, deliberate tactic. Hamas has blocked evacuations, placed command centers inside humanitarian zones, and taken hundreds of hostages. These are not side effects of war. They are deliberate features of a strategy built to paralyze democracies, provoke condemnation, and weaponize civilian suffering. The targeting of civilians is not incidental. It is essential to Hamas’s operational concept.

Many political leaders respond by invoking past conflicts. They reference battles in Mosul, Aleppo, Fallujah, or Raqqa, assuming these comparisons provide meaningful precedent. But most of these conflicts did not involve an adversary intentionally preventing civilians from leaving combat zones. Most did not involve hundreds of hostages dispersed across a dense urban battlefield. Most involved insurgencies, not foreign-backed terror armies. Many involved military forces that did not follow the same standards of precision and accountability expected of Israel. These differences matter. Failing to account for them leads to flawed analysis and unrealistic policy prescriptions.

These dynamics are not limited to Gaza. Across the region, similar tactics are emerging. In southern Syria, the Julani regime has carried out atrocities against the Druze population while embedded within civilian areas. These acts of cruelty follow the same playbook used by Hamas. Yet few international voices draw consistent lines between them. This silence reflects another gap: the unwillingness to apply standards evenly when the political costs differ. Condemnation is directed at those who can hear it. Those who operate beyond the reach of democratic norms often face no scrutiny at all.

While calls for humanitarian concern grow louder, few political leaders press for solutions that would actually reduce civilian harm. Egypt continues to keep its border with Gaza closed, despite being the sole neighboring country uninvolved in the conflict and capable of providing immediate relief to civilians seeking safety. Evacuation routes remain blocked. Temporary refuge for civilians is politically possible but diplomatically ignored. Not a single major European government or United Nations body has mounted sustained pressure on Cairo to open the Rafah crossing or to establish a displaced persons or humanitarian zone a few kilometers into the Sinai. Instead, criticism centers on Israel, the only actor currently conducting both combat and humanitarian operations in the same battlespace. The imbalance distorts both perception and policy.

This is not the first time democracies have confronted hard choices. The wars of the twentieth century were waged with heavy costs. Civilian casualties were tragically high. But the principle of civilian protection was strengthened over time, especially with the Geneva Conventions adopted after World War II. Those conventions remain the foundation of the modern laws of war. They prohibit intentional attacks on civilians and impose a duty to take feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm. But they do not demand perfection, nor do they outlaw war itself. When adversaries exploit civilians to provoke condemnation and delay operations, the responsibility lies with those who commit the violations—not those who attempt to respond within the law.

The numbers bear remembering. Two million civilians died in the Korean War, averaging over 50,000 per month. More than ten thousand were killed in the liberation of a single city, Mosul. Hundreds of thousands died during military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cities were flattened in the campaign against ISIS. These are not historical footnotes. They are reminders of what war has always entailed, especially in dense urban environments. Today, only one military—the IDF—is expected to achieve battlefield success without error, without civilian harm, and without criticism, even as it faces enemies who deliberately try to make this impossible.

Despite this, militaries around the world continue to seek Israeli knowledge. Governments initiate formal cooperation agreements. Officers train in Israeli facilities. Procurement programs focus on Israeli defense technologies developed through experience in real combat conditions. These are not isolated interactions. They are serious, structured engagements based on the recognition that similar wars may lie ahead. European and NATO militaries understand that future threats may look more like Hamas than like conventional armies. They are preparing accordingly.
This is not a blanket condemnation of all political leaders. Many do understand what modern war demands and the reality Israel is confronting. Nor is the political-professional divide a one-way street. War is ultimately the pursuit of political objectives, and in a democracy, those objectives are set by political leaders based on the best advice of their military advisors. At the same time, senior military leaders must understand the domestic, international, and geopolitical factors that frame and constrain the use of force. Political leaders cannot speak about war without accounting for context, history, strategy, tactics, and operational reality. And military leaders cannot speak about war without understanding the political environment that defines it. The tension between political and professional perspectives is not a flaw. It is a feature of democratic governance. But it must be informed, mutual, and honest.

Unfortunately, that equilibrium is too often lost. Political leaders too often avoid difficult truths. Some present war as inherently unjust. Others suggest that all violence can be avoided with diplomacy or restraint. Few acknowledge that, in extreme cases, force may be both necessary and lawful. This avoidance does not strengthen democracy. It weakens it. It misleads citizens, erodes deterrence, and gives adversaries greater freedom of action.

In Israel, such illusions are not possible. Conflict is measured in meters. Homes sit a few hundred yards from hostile territory. Missiles arrive in seconds. Tunnels turn rear areas into front lines. Civilian buildings become military objectives by design. This is not theoretical. It is a daily reality.
On October 7, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis, many through direct atrocities. Adjusted for population, that would be the equivalent of over 40,000 Americans or more than 8,000 Britons killed in a single day. International law permits self-defense, even in war. It also permits the use of force against military objectives. Proportionality accounts for the presence of civilians, even when they are unlawfully placed at risk by those who violate the laws of war. It requires that civilian harm not be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage and that every feasible precaution be taken to minimize that harm. Israel has done both.
Democracies must regain strategic clarity. They cannot afford to treat war as a morality play while military officers prepare for reality. They must explain to their populations that war, when necessary, is not only legal but at times morally required. They must recognize that the expectations placed on allies today may become the burdens they bear tomorrow. The next war will not wait for consensus. It will demand readiness, resolve, and truth.

If democratic leaders continue to separate what they know privately from what they say publicly, the result will not be greater morality. It will be greater suffering and failure. Silence will not deter enemies. Illusion will not protect civilians. And condemnation, without context or consistency, will not produce peace.

The hard lessons of war must be faced, not avoided. Military professionals understand this. It is time for political leaders to do the same.
General Yoav Gallant, former Israeli Minister of Defense and decorated IDF commander, shares strategic insights on leadership, security, and geopolitics—drawing from nearly five decades at the forefront of Israel’s national defense.

John Spencer is Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute and co-author of Understanding Urban Warfare. A leading expert on urban warfare, he advised senior U.S. Army leaders through strategic roles from the Pentagon to West Point.

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ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 07/08/2025 07:51

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Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 12:32

Excellent article @ConscientiousObserver 💯

Moulook31 · 07/08/2025 12:40

LimeShaker · 06/08/2025 23:08

If the IDF are doing such a noble job of defending just let the international media in to report on just that and refute all this ‘Hamas propaganda’ so simple really - wonder why that hasn’t been done….

Totally agree. Let the press in and then people can judge for themselves as to what is really happening in Palestine. Why deny the press?

HellsBalls · 07/08/2025 17:01

Moulook31 · 07/08/2025 12:40

Totally agree. Let the press in and then people can judge for themselves as to what is really happening in Palestine. Why deny the press?

I agree also.
The problem is, as soon as they are ‘free’ of IDF protection then Hamas will catch them and manage what they report.

GladioliGreen · 07/08/2025 18:26

HellsBalls · 07/08/2025 17:01

I agree also.
The problem is, as soon as they are ‘free’ of IDF protection then Hamas will catch them and manage what they report.

What Hamas? You said 30, 000 of them were killed(which is the number of Hamas terrorists Israel said were present in the Gaza strip) in your previous post? Now as soon as journalists leave Israeli 'protection' Hamas would be out catching them? That's good going for the one or two stragglers you think remain.

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 07/08/2025 18:32

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Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 18:35

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Zionist Nazis? Is this hate term, intellect talking?

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 18:36

HellsBalls · 07/08/2025 17:01

I agree also.
The problem is, as soon as they are ‘free’ of IDF protection then Hamas will catch them and manage what they report.

Of course they will. As if Hamas will allow unchaperoned press.

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 18:54

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 18:36

Of course they will. As if Hamas will allow unchaperoned press.

They would be targets so Hamas could produce propaganda saying the IDF killed international journalists.

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 18:55

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 18:54

They would be targets so Hamas could produce propaganda saying the IDF killed international journalists.

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HellsBalls · 07/08/2025 19:23

GladioliGreen · 07/08/2025 18:26

What Hamas? You said 30, 000 of them were killed(which is the number of Hamas terrorists Israel said were present in the Gaza strip) in your previous post? Now as soon as journalists leave Israeli 'protection' Hamas would be out catching them? That's good going for the one or two stragglers you think remain.

Yep. Hamas have been recruiting/press ganging more terrorists. No idea how many are left, must be 5,000? Who knows, they hide amongst the civilians and only put on a camo jacket and bandana when the IDF are nowhere near.

Hence Israel are going to try and finish the job.

ConscientiousObserver · 07/08/2025 19:45

HellsBalls · 07/08/2025 19:23

Yep. Hamas have been recruiting/press ganging more terrorists. No idea how many are left, must be 5,000? Who knows, they hide amongst the civilians and only put on a camo jacket and bandana when the IDF are nowhere near.

Hence Israel are going to try and finish the job.

Estimate was 10-15k recruited during the war.

Most of them teens from age 13 judging by the death stats. There is a disproportionately high number of male child deaths in that age range and of course there are included in the child death count.

Just another horror upon the horror of Hamas.

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GladioliGreen · 07/08/2025 19:55

HellsBalls · 07/08/2025 19:23

Yep. Hamas have been recruiting/press ganging more terrorists. No idea how many are left, must be 5,000? Who knows, they hide amongst the civilians and only put on a camo jacket and bandana when the IDF are nowhere near.

Hence Israel are going to try and finish the job.

You've got great intel on Hamas, better than the Israeli government or the IDF are giving out. 30000 dead, 5000 new recruits. Well over 100,000 people have been injured, a quarter of them suffering from life changing injuries. How many of the injured are Hamas and how many are innocent people?

TulipLavender · 07/08/2025 21:55

Some of the features of this conflict are unparrelleled elsewhere and also give rise to reasons for the need for greater scrutiny:

  • the significance of the funding of the aggression of the conflict comes from US military aid. Israel would not be able to sustain such a level of bombardment without US funding, UK airforce was running daily surveillance flights etc.
  • the majority of the population of Gaza are children - unparalleled elsewhere
  • the population of Gaza have no refuge elsewhere and cannot escape
  • the extent of social media availability and the proportion of Gazans that can share dieectly their experience through social media at the same time as a major breakdown in trust of mainstream media channels
  • the genocidal rhethoric from the onset of Israeli government - 'dealing with human animals', 'amalec', children of dark and light, amongst others, exercise no restraint etc.
  • number of IDF personnel posting on telegram or other sites videos of them dancing or blowing up buildings or wearing palestinian womens underwear etc - clearly sanctioned or allowed through lack of discipline or possiblty encouraged for some reason.

Are you aware of what happened to Hind Rajab - the specific details of what was founfld to have occurred? Or even the World Central Kitchen - 3 direct targetings after another, even the shooting from IDF of the 3 Israeli hostages waving white flags; the ambiulance crews targeted - you have to stretch the boundaries of credability to believe that any of these were an accident, and even if the most miniscule chance they were - it clearly shows a level of incompetence that needed to be addressed immediately and changes made. There is no evidence of any accountability processes underway.

Mercurial123 · 07/08/2025 22:24

ConscientiousObserver · 06/08/2025 22:07

What genocide?

Where’s the apartheid?

Could you not understand the article?

Lol, thankfully many, many people disagree with you. Genocide, apartheid and forced starvation. The longer the "war" continues Bibi can hold off his corruption trial.

BelleHathor · 07/08/2025 22:39

Mercurial123 · 07/08/2025 22:24

Lol, thankfully many, many people disagree with you. Genocide, apartheid and forced starvation. The longer the "war" continues Bibi can hold off his corruption trial.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-israels-status-in-us-has-never-been-so-bad-its-becoming-leper-state/

Former Israeli Prime Minister just posted a long post after returning from a visit to America where he got a less than warm reception.

"Israel’s status in US ‘has never been so bad,’ it’s becoming a ‘leper state’

"The Democratic party hasn’t been with us for some time. We’re also losing the Republican party, whose support for Israel could once be counted on,” he wrote, though he credited US President Donald Trump with retaining support for Israel within his administration.
“Even those who have been our friends are having a hard time defending the State of Israel,” Bennett continued. “Israel is being seen more and more as a liability and burden on the USA and Americans.”

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
ConscientiousObserver · 07/08/2025 23:19

Mercurial123 · 07/08/2025 22:24

Lol, thankfully many, many people disagree with you. Genocide, apartheid and forced starvation. The longer the "war" continues Bibi can hold off his corruption trial.

I’m taking the view from military experts on the ground.

Have you been out there?

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ConscientiousObserver · 07/08/2025 23:20

BelleHathor · 07/08/2025 22:39

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-israels-status-in-us-has-never-been-so-bad-its-becoming-leper-state/

Former Israeli Prime Minister just posted a long post after returning from a visit to America where he got a less than warm reception.

"Israel’s status in US ‘has never been so bad,’ it’s becoming a ‘leper state’

"The Democratic party hasn’t been with us for some time. We’re also losing the Republican party, whose support for Israel could once be counted on,” he wrote, though he credited US President Donald Trump with retaining support for Israel within his administration.
“Even those who have been our friends are having a hard time defending the State of Israel,” Bennett continued. “Israel is being seen more and more as a liability and burden on the USA and Americans.”

He’s running for election isn’t he?

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Stripes56 · 08/08/2025 16:08

ConscientiousObserver · 07/08/2025 23:20

He’s running for election isn’t he?

Does make what he is saying any less true. You can look at the US polls if you want to see evidence.

Stripes56 · 08/08/2025 16:12

GladioliGreen · 07/08/2025 19:55

You've got great intel on Hamas, better than the Israeli government or the IDF are giving out. 30000 dead, 5000 new recruits. Well over 100,000 people have been injured, a quarter of them suffering from life changing injuries. How many of the injured are Hamas and how many are innocent people?

I haven’t seen any reliable evidence to account for stats supporting Israel’s view on number of Hamas fighters killed. If they had, I am sure we would have seen it.

Instead I have read that they count every male killed is Hamas combatant to suggest that they minimise civilian deaths.

HellsBalls · 08/08/2025 17:37

GladioliGreen · 07/08/2025 19:55

You've got great intel on Hamas, better than the Israeli government or the IDF are giving out. 30000 dead, 5000 new recruits. Well over 100,000 people have been injured, a quarter of them suffering from life changing injuries. How many of the injured are Hamas and how many are innocent people?

No one knows. If the IDF kill a dozen Hamas terrorists, does Hamas report them as dead fighters? Or children?
Not a word they say can be believed.

Twiglets1 · 08/08/2025 17:50

HellsBalls · 08/08/2025 17:37

No one knows. If the IDF kill a dozen Hamas terrorists, does Hamas report them as dead fighters? Or children?
Not a word they say can be believed.

True they can’t be believed.

But also - seeing as Hamas use child soldiers- it’s possible that someone could be both.

SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:07

Stripes56 · 06/08/2025 22:54

What is your favourite evidence that 50% of the people killed were terrorists?
This idea has been debunked.

I’d like to know why they and the IDF are relying on Hamas run Health ministry 60,000 death total but ignoring the list of the names, age and occupations of the dead to just label out of nowhere 50% as terrorists? I mean if Hamas can’t be trusted and the number dead is vastly overstated, why even use their numbers?

Besides the data published by NOT Hamas reliable organisations indicate that 60,000 is far too low and the real death total of direct and indirect deaths has to be in the hundreds of thousands.

SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:10

It just kind of gives the whole game away that 99% of the posters on this forum repeat what Hamas says and/or the clearly bias UN and major NGOs in the region,

you think this is a game? And that the UN and international respected NGOs are Hamas adjacent/terrorist apologists?

SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:18

ConscientiousObserver · 06/08/2025 23:58

There has been clear evidence, as presented by Gazans themselves even, that buildings are evacuated, or told to evacuate, before bombings.

I would like to know how it is estimated that there are thousands of bodies under the rubble.

Hopefully there are not,

As well as much more evidence that most strikes do not come with a warning to evacuate.

As well as evidence that even when an evacuation warning was done (and I haven’t heard of any evacuation warnings other than the first few months of the war), often there was not enough time to evacuate everyone especially the elderly a disabled with poor mobility.

Plenty of evidence has also been amassed including video and photos of people being pulled dead or injured from under buildings…

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