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No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.

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ConscientiousObserver · 06/08/2025 21:36

Extremely informative article by Yoav Gallant, Former Israeli Defence Minister and John Spencer, Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute.

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces. Yet behind closed doors, few are more studied. Western generals and defense officials routinely seek Israeli briefings, request access to doctrine and tactics, and pursue cooperation on training and technology. These efforts continue even as their political counterparts issue statements of moral outrage and condemnation. The contradiction reflects more than a double standard. It reveals a deeper divide between political perception and military reality, between external messaging and internal understanding, between illusion and experience.

Since the war in Gaza began, Israel has hosted dozens of foreign delegations. Military officers and defense officials observe Israeli operations firsthand. They ask technical questions about targeting processes, coordination between air and ground forces, real-time intelligence integration, and how combat units distinguish between civilians and combatants under fire. Some return weeks later to formalize cooperation on areas ranging from tunnel warfare to hostage recovery to civilian harm mitigation. Meanwhile, many of their political counterparts deliver rehearsed remarks emphasizing restraint, proportionality, and civilian protection, often with little connection to the operational context or ground realities they were just briefed on.

This is not just political inconsistency. It is strategic dissonance. War is never clean. Urban warfare against a hybrid enemy embedded in civilian areas is among the most complex challenges modern democracies will face. Yet the public discussion is often dominated by expectations of precision and perfection that no military force can guarantee. In many capitals, political performance overrides professional understanding.

In Gaza, Hamas constructed more than 300 miles of fortified tunnels beneath civilian infrastructure. It operates from hospitals, schools, and mosques by design, not necessity. Early in the war, the IDF learned a simple rule: if you want to find a tunnel, look beneath a school. If you are searching for an enemy headquarters, start under a mosque. If you suspect an arms depot, check the basement of a hospital. This is not coincidence; it is a consistent, deliberate tactic. Hamas has blocked evacuations, placed command centers inside humanitarian zones, and taken hundreds of hostages. These are not side effects of war. They are deliberate features of a strategy built to paralyze democracies, provoke condemnation, and weaponize civilian suffering. The targeting of civilians is not incidental. It is essential to Hamas’s operational concept.

Many political leaders respond by invoking past conflicts. They reference battles in Mosul, Aleppo, Fallujah, or Raqqa, assuming these comparisons provide meaningful precedent. But most of these conflicts did not involve an adversary intentionally preventing civilians from leaving combat zones. Most did not involve hundreds of hostages dispersed across a dense urban battlefield. Most involved insurgencies, not foreign-backed terror armies. Many involved military forces that did not follow the same standards of precision and accountability expected of Israel. These differences matter. Failing to account for them leads to flawed analysis and unrealistic policy prescriptions.

These dynamics are not limited to Gaza. Across the region, similar tactics are emerging. In southern Syria, the Julani regime has carried out atrocities against the Druze population while embedded within civilian areas. These acts of cruelty follow the same playbook used by Hamas. Yet few international voices draw consistent lines between them. This silence reflects another gap: the unwillingness to apply standards evenly when the political costs differ. Condemnation is directed at those who can hear it. Those who operate beyond the reach of democratic norms often face no scrutiny at all.

While calls for humanitarian concern grow louder, few political leaders press for solutions that would actually reduce civilian harm. Egypt continues to keep its border with Gaza closed, despite being the sole neighboring country uninvolved in the conflict and capable of providing immediate relief to civilians seeking safety. Evacuation routes remain blocked. Temporary refuge for civilians is politically possible but diplomatically ignored. Not a single major European government or United Nations body has mounted sustained pressure on Cairo to open the Rafah crossing or to establish a displaced persons or humanitarian zone a few kilometers into the Sinai. Instead, criticism centers on Israel, the only actor currently conducting both combat and humanitarian operations in the same battlespace. The imbalance distorts both perception and policy.

This is not the first time democracies have confronted hard choices. The wars of the twentieth century were waged with heavy costs. Civilian casualties were tragically high. But the principle of civilian protection was strengthened over time, especially with the Geneva Conventions adopted after World War II. Those conventions remain the foundation of the modern laws of war. They prohibit intentional attacks on civilians and impose a duty to take feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm. But they do not demand perfection, nor do they outlaw war itself. When adversaries exploit civilians to provoke condemnation and delay operations, the responsibility lies with those who commit the violations—not those who attempt to respond within the law.

The numbers bear remembering. Two million civilians died in the Korean War, averaging over 50,000 per month. More than ten thousand were killed in the liberation of a single city, Mosul. Hundreds of thousands died during military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cities were flattened in the campaign against ISIS. These are not historical footnotes. They are reminders of what war has always entailed, especially in dense urban environments. Today, only one military—the IDF—is expected to achieve battlefield success without error, without civilian harm, and without criticism, even as it faces enemies who deliberately try to make this impossible.

Despite this, militaries around the world continue to seek Israeli knowledge. Governments initiate formal cooperation agreements. Officers train in Israeli facilities. Procurement programs focus on Israeli defense technologies developed through experience in real combat conditions. These are not isolated interactions. They are serious, structured engagements based on the recognition that similar wars may lie ahead. European and NATO militaries understand that future threats may look more like Hamas than like conventional armies. They are preparing accordingly.
This is not a blanket condemnation of all political leaders. Many do understand what modern war demands and the reality Israel is confronting. Nor is the political-professional divide a one-way street. War is ultimately the pursuit of political objectives, and in a democracy, those objectives are set by political leaders based on the best advice of their military advisors. At the same time, senior military leaders must understand the domestic, international, and geopolitical factors that frame and constrain the use of force. Political leaders cannot speak about war without accounting for context, history, strategy, tactics, and operational reality. And military leaders cannot speak about war without understanding the political environment that defines it. The tension between political and professional perspectives is not a flaw. It is a feature of democratic governance. But it must be informed, mutual, and honest.

Unfortunately, that equilibrium is too often lost. Political leaders too often avoid difficult truths. Some present war as inherently unjust. Others suggest that all violence can be avoided with diplomacy or restraint. Few acknowledge that, in extreme cases, force may be both necessary and lawful. This avoidance does not strengthen democracy. It weakens it. It misleads citizens, erodes deterrence, and gives adversaries greater freedom of action.

In Israel, such illusions are not possible. Conflict is measured in meters. Homes sit a few hundred yards from hostile territory. Missiles arrive in seconds. Tunnels turn rear areas into front lines. Civilian buildings become military objectives by design. This is not theoretical. It is a daily reality.
On October 7, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis, many through direct atrocities. Adjusted for population, that would be the equivalent of over 40,000 Americans or more than 8,000 Britons killed in a single day. International law permits self-defense, even in war. It also permits the use of force against military objectives. Proportionality accounts for the presence of civilians, even when they are unlawfully placed at risk by those who violate the laws of war. It requires that civilian harm not be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage and that every feasible precaution be taken to minimize that harm. Israel has done both.
Democracies must regain strategic clarity. They cannot afford to treat war as a morality play while military officers prepare for reality. They must explain to their populations that war, when necessary, is not only legal but at times morally required. They must recognize that the expectations placed on allies today may become the burdens they bear tomorrow. The next war will not wait for consensus. It will demand readiness, resolve, and truth.

If democratic leaders continue to separate what they know privately from what they say publicly, the result will not be greater morality. It will be greater suffering and failure. Silence will not deter enemies. Illusion will not protect civilians. And condemnation, without context or consistency, will not produce peace.

The hard lessons of war must be faced, not avoided. Military professionals understand this. It is time for political leaders to do the same.
General Yoav Gallant, former Israeli Minister of Defense and decorated IDF commander, shares strategic insights on leadership, security, and geopolitics—drawing from nearly five decades at the forefront of Israel’s national defense.

John Spencer is Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute and co-author of Understanding Urban Warfare. A leading expert on urban warfare, he advised senior U.S. Army leaders through strategic roles from the Pentagon to West Point.

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SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:21

ConscientiousObserver · 07/08/2025 23:19

I’m taking the view from military experts on the ground.

Have you been out there?

lol, Yoav Gallant is not and never was a military expert on the ground.

He is a military expert, but he is also has an arrest warrant for war crimes and crimes against humanity which indicates that being an expert in war doesn’t mean you can’t be a war criminal and talk nonsense.

SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:25

HellsBalls · 07/08/2025 17:01

I agree also.
The problem is, as soon as they are ‘free’ of IDF protection then Hamas will catch them and manage what they report.

The IDF military censors have to pre-approve every word and every photo/video that journalists they take into Gaza publish? They even control what journalists flying over Gaza on air crops can show.

Are you for freedom of press or not?

SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:28

HellsBalls · 08/08/2025 17:37

No one knows. If the IDF kill a dozen Hamas terrorists, does Hamas report them as dead fighters? Or children?
Not a word they say can be believed.

Funny the IDF believe that 60,000 directly killed by them isn’t too high and is reliable enough for them to use to calculate combatant vs civilian ratio….

SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:30

ConscientiousObserver · 07/08/2025 19:45

Estimate was 10-15k recruited during the war.

Most of them teens from age 13 judging by the death stats. There is a disproportionately high number of male child deaths in that age range and of course there are included in the child death count.

Just another horror upon the horror of Hamas.

Evidence of this disproportionately high death rate in teen males from age 13?

oh wait, wouldn’t that mean using Hamas data that cannot be believed?

GladioliGreen · 08/08/2025 18:38

HellsBalls · 08/08/2025 17:37

No one knows. If the IDF kill a dozen Hamas terrorists, does Hamas report them as dead fighters? Or children?
Not a word they say can be believed.

The IDF are supposed to know? They are the ones doing targeted attacks on them, are you saying that the IDF don't know who they are killing because that would be extremely concerning.

Timeforabitofpeace · 08/08/2025 19:39

Everyone condemns then. Just terrible.

ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 21:03

HellsBalls · 08/08/2025 17:37

No one knows. If the IDF kill a dozen Hamas terrorists, does Hamas report them as dead fighters? Or children?
Not a word they say can be believed.

There was evidence that men had been listed as women and children.

Palestinian ‘social media activists’ have long been told to name all terrorist deaths as ‘innocent civilians’.

On that note. I was not surprised to this SM activist outed as being part of a the PFLP, who are apparently working alongside Hamas. She has had a very large following and I remember lots on here taking about her and her bravery. She even got an award and a front cover of Forbes magazine! Bisan Owda -

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1817013654715261234

And that other one who strangely enough managed to evacuate (although not many children could) to Qatar and has a done bit of globetrotting.

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1817013654715261234

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ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 21:05

SummerFeverVenice · 08/08/2025 18:21

lol, Yoav Gallant is not and never was a military expert on the ground.

He is a military expert, but he is also has an arrest warrant for war crimes and crimes against humanity which indicates that being an expert in war doesn’t mean you can’t be a war criminal and talk nonsense.

Edited

I was referring to Andrew Fox.

He’s a Brit - anything to say about him?

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ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 21:10

GladioliGreen · 08/08/2025 18:38

The IDF are supposed to know? They are the ones doing targeted attacks on them, are you saying that the IDF don't know who they are killing because that would be extremely concerning.

There’s quite a few recruits since the war started, although I doubt they were fitted for uniforms.

Maybe they figure it out from who’s firing rockets, planting IEDs and carrying machine guns?

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-has-added-up-15000-fighters-since-start-war-us-figures-show-2025-01-24/

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DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 11:16

I wouldn’t take much notice of Spencer
A lot of what he says has been debunked

His figures on civilian deaths in Gaza as an ‘understandable / normal ‘ level do not account for modern day warfare or urban warfare. Casualties according to Spagat for example far exceed these
His praise of Israeli use of tech to protect civilians has been cited as nonsense given that it very often doesn’t work or isn’t employed sufficiently. For example If you’re going to notify people an area is going to be bombed you don’t give them just 5 minutes to get out and you make sure everyone knows.

I could go on. But as Spencer’s ‘thoughts’ have already been widely debunked by many academics and authorities in this area it’s all out there for all to see.
If interested

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 11:23

Moulook31 · 07/08/2025 12:40

Totally agree. Let the press in and then people can judge for themselves as to what is really happening in Palestine. Why deny the press?

Agree
It is very clear though why the press are not allowed in
So that the Israeli Government can spout lies not only to the world but also their own people, many of whom still believe it all

From a long term perspective it makes it more difficult to compile the truth to hold the Israeli Government, Netanyahu and the IDF for war crimes

Denying access feeds the Israeli proporganda machine and it’s very difficult to debunk it. Although agencies so far have done an excellent job on many fronts

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 11:55

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 11:23

Agree
It is very clear though why the press are not allowed in
So that the Israeli Government can spout lies not only to the world but also their own people, many of whom still believe it all

From a long term perspective it makes it more difficult to compile the truth to hold the Israeli Government, Netanyahu and the IDF for war crimes

Denying access feeds the Israeli proporganda machine and it’s very difficult to debunk it. Although agencies so far have done an excellent job on many fronts

I don't agree it's very clear why the international press aren't allowed in.

If you don't trust Israel, then you will not trust the reasons they give, that a lot of journalists would get killed as a lot of Gazan journalists have got killed. And the IDF always seem to get the blame for those deaths despite the fact they are not the only ones with guns & explosives in Gaza.

If you do trust that Israel generally tell the truth (not in all cases, I'm well aware) and you think the reasons they give seem logical, then it isn't as clear cut.

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 12:44

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 11:23

Agree
It is very clear though why the press are not allowed in
So that the Israeli Government can spout lies not only to the world but also their own people, many of whom still believe it all

From a long term perspective it makes it more difficult to compile the truth to hold the Israeli Government, Netanyahu and the IDF for war crimes

Denying access feeds the Israeli proporganda machine and it’s very difficult to debunk it. Although agencies so far have done an excellent job on many fronts

But they allow thousands upon thousands of photos and videos to flood out of Gaza showing the ‘genocide’ and the ‘starvation’ and all the horrific injuries and the dead, and ‘journalists’ in Gaza to show the world the ‘truth’.

What sense does that make?

The reason international press aren’t going out there is because they don’t want to embed with the IDF and the reason that is necessary is quite obvious, but easier to say they are not allowed.

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DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 12:47

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 12:44

But they allow thousands upon thousands of photos and videos to flood out of Gaza showing the ‘genocide’ and the ‘starvation’ and all the horrific injuries and the dead, and ‘journalists’ in Gaza to show the world the ‘truth’.

What sense does that make?

The reason international press aren’t going out there is because they don’t want to embed with the IDF and the reason that is necessary is quite obvious, but easier to say they are not allowed.

Netanyahu banned all International Press.
They weren’t given an option

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 12:53

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 11:16

I wouldn’t take much notice of Spencer
A lot of what he says has been debunked

His figures on civilian deaths in Gaza as an ‘understandable / normal ‘ level do not account for modern day warfare or urban warfare. Casualties according to Spagat for example far exceed these
His praise of Israeli use of tech to protect civilians has been cited as nonsense given that it very often doesn’t work or isn’t employed sufficiently. For example If you’re going to notify people an area is going to be bombed you don’t give them just 5 minutes to get out and you make sure everyone knows.

I could go on. But as Spencer’s ‘thoughts’ have already been widely debunked by many academics and authorities in this area it’s all out there for all to see.
If interested

He is the leading urban warfare expert. He teaches it. Where has he been debunked? Of course, YOU wouldn’t take much notice of him, he doesn’t fit your narrative.

Has Spagat been out there? He’s admitted he hasn’t and obtained his data through a ‘partner’ organisation which isn’t exactly unbias is it?

This war is unprecedented in the way Hamas basically rigged the whole of Gaza from above and below, as well as use civilians as human sacrifices as a policy, I wouldn’t take any notice of anyone who hasn’t seen it themselves.

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ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 12:59

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 12:47

Netanyahu banned all International Press.
They weren’t given an option

Really now?

Even Jeremy Bowen said he’d been allowed in and Sky news say they are only allowed in on embeds as per the below links.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/26/bbc-jeremy-bowen-accuses-israel-blocking-journalists-gaza

news.sky.com/story/israels-block-on-international-journalists-in-gaza-should-not-be-allowed-to-stand-13385627

BBC’s Jeremy Bowen accuses Israel of blocking journalists from Gaza

BBC’s international editor says lack of access is ‘because there’s stuff they don’t want us to see’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/26/bbc-jeremy-bowen-accuses-israel-blocking-journalists-gaza

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ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 13:04

Anyway @DrPrunesqualer please explain why you think Israel is basically doing Hamas’ propaganda job for them by not letting international journalists in but conversely allowing unverified information and graphic pictures and videos showing their ‘atrocities’ against Palestinian civilians to flood the internet?

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ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 13:06

They’re even allowing photographers to stage pictures like the one outed by Bild the other day.

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GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 13:08

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 11:55

I don't agree it's very clear why the international press aren't allowed in.

If you don't trust Israel, then you will not trust the reasons they give, that a lot of journalists would get killed as a lot of Gazan journalists have got killed. And the IDF always seem to get the blame for those deaths despite the fact they are not the only ones with guns & explosives in Gaza.

If you do trust that Israel generally tell the truth (not in all cases, I'm well aware) and you think the reasons they give seem logical, then it isn't as clear cut.

Does the way journalists are treated in the West Bank by Israel not sow seeds of mistrust in you? Personally I find it hard to believe that the same army who intimidates, harasses, injures and kills journalists in the West Bank treat them better in Gaza where there is even less accountability. In the West Bank many journalists are also held in administrative detention(held without any charges for an indefinite period of time) where they are subjected to torture, sexual and gender based violence but you trust that in Gaza the Israeli government and the IDF abides by International law?

I find it hard to believe that people's faith in the Israeli government and the IDF actually extends that far.

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 13:12

GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 13:08

Does the way journalists are treated in the West Bank by Israel not sow seeds of mistrust in you? Personally I find it hard to believe that the same army who intimidates, harasses, injures and kills journalists in the West Bank treat them better in Gaza where there is even less accountability. In the West Bank many journalists are also held in administrative detention(held without any charges for an indefinite period of time) where they are subjected to torture, sexual and gender based violence but you trust that in Gaza the Israeli government and the IDF abides by International law?

I find it hard to believe that people's faith in the Israeli government and the IDF actually extends that far.

What specifically are you referring to when you say "the way journalists are treated in the West Bank by Israel?"

Do you mean the way they are treated by the Settlers, who are a bunch of extremists.

Or what are you referring to?

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 13:12

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DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 13:48

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 12:59

Really now?

Even Jeremy Bowen said he’d been allowed in and Sky news say they are only allowed in on embeds as per the below links.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/26/bbc-jeremy-bowen-accuses-israel-blocking-journalists-gaza

news.sky.com/story/israels-block-on-international-journalists-in-gaza-should-not-be-allowed-to-stand-13385627

Thanks for the article backing up my post

No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
No military is more publicly condemned today than the Israel Defense Forces.
GladioliGreen · 09/08/2025 13:49

Twiglets1 · 09/08/2025 13:12

What specifically are you referring to when you say "the way journalists are treated in the West Bank by Israel?"

Do you mean the way they are treated by the Settlers, who are a bunch of extremists.

Or what are you referring to?

What about my post makes you think I am talking about Israeli civillians?

To quote myself Personally I find it hard to believe that the same army who intimidates, harasses, injures and kills journalists in the West Bank treat them better in Gaza where there is even less accountability.

The treatment of journalists in the West Bank by the IDF is well documented despite this ongoing harassment, abuse and detainment of the press.

The IDF have also targeted and killed multiple journalists in Lebanon.

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 13:55

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 13:48

Thanks for the article backing up my post

Both links confirmed journalists were allowed into Gaza while embedded with the IDF.

Dud you miss that bit?

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DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 14:00

ConscientiousObserver · 09/08/2025 13:55

Both links confirmed journalists were allowed into Gaza while embedded with the IDF.

Dud you miss that bit?

Did you miss the point
The journalist noted he was allowed in once in 18months and to see Israeli soldiers being buried

Ok
Yep
Confirmed

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