Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas

[ConscientiousObserver]

There I said it.

Obviously they won’t come out and admit it, for fear of exposing themselves as supporters of evil, and also because they worry that they may be traced as it is supposedly illegal to support Hamas, as a proscribed terrorist group.

The evidence is all there -

The blind belief in the blatant Hamas propaganda which defies sense and logic.

The demonising descriptive language used to describe Israel.

The insistence that a war Israel didn’t start justifies Israeli and Jewish people around the work being persecuted, attacked and even murdered.

The protests against Israel but not Hamas who actually started the war.

The complete lack of interest or outrage in the Israeli hostages who actually included children and and a baby.

The calls for immediate ceasefire since the war started with no calls for Hamas to surrender.

The complete lack of accountability for Hamas and Palestinians in general.

I cannot fathom that anyone with a sane mind would support evil, barbaric murderers and rapists who also actively want to get their own civilians killed, and kill them themselves, so can we assume that for these people, their hatred of Israel and the Jewish people is greater than their care for human life as a whole.

A genuine question.

Do you?

I never said you did?
"Perhaps look at the stats and listen to the Jewish leaders who’ve spoken about how’s there’s antisemitism in Irish curriculum?"

Did you not know the report they were referring too?
It's by Impact -SE an Israeli non profit .

Yes.

Are you referring to the Magdalen Laundries as a "genocide of teenage girls"?

The World Jewish Congress is an Israeli non-profit?

Ate you sure?

But let’s pretend you’re right. Because it’s Israeli it must be a lie?

Have YOU read it? Are you interested in the rates of Jews, real people, experiencing antisemitism in Ireland? Or are Those pesky Jews playing victim again amirite.

This is why I’m not buying the whole “Us Irish support Palestine as we can relate, it happened to us!”. Just say what it’s really about.

yes.

What would you call it? Penance?

Impact SE (Israeli non profit)wrote the report about Anti semitism in the Irish Curriculum. It is the report that is used when discussing anti semitism in the books in the Irish Curriculum.

World Jewish Congress denounced the INTO teaching materials called "Talk about Palestine". That is not curriculum. It is an optional teaching material produced by the teachers union.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, such a group.

While the atrocities of the Magdalen Laundries in Ireland and England are a huge stain on the society I cannot understand how it would fit into the definition above can you?
(Also it wasn't just teenage girls it was a wide section of ages and backgrounds)

Just watching The Tattooist of Auschwitz on Sky right now and feeling more and sickened at those who try to draw comparisons.

They are seriously lacking in some cognitive function.

It also occurred to me that Hamas and their supporters are actually trying to play out the holocaust with Palestinian civilians and the Israeli hostages as a form of psychological warfare.

I was talking about the leaders who’ve spoke out about the curriculum.So aren’t you concerned that Irish children are receiving antisemitic education

Are you interested in the states on antisemitism in Ireland? This is the third time I’ve asked so I’m assuming not.

What is so special about Gaza that Irish can relate? It’s not the only country, or even the most recent country with “stolen land”. So why do Irish people care so much about this specific country and not others?

We know the answer. You can choose to be deluded about it if you like.

And I don’t see genocide in Gaza, its conflict perpetrated by a terrorist state. Much like how Magdalene laundries aren’t actually a genocide, but me saying it doesn’t make it true (I think you missed my irony there). Both are humanitarian crises, much like the many happening the world over. They are not a genocide.

So aren’t you concerned that Irish children are receiving antisemitic education
They're not. Where's your evidence they are?

What is so special about Gaza that Irish can relate?
It goes back to British mandate Palestine when the same soldiers and officers that terrorised the Irish then went on to terrorise the Palestinians. Many of the same British colonial officials served in both places.

@LadyCankleOfGrantham
"I was talking about the leaders who’ve spoke out about the curriculum.So aren’t you concerned that Irish children are receiving antisemitic education"

No because they are not. If they haven't been taught that particular lesson which was the only thing the leaders spoke out about.

Are you interested in the states on antisemitism in Ireland? This is the third time I’ve asked so I’m assuming not.
Send them on so , (I presume you mean stats)

What is so special about Gaza that Irish can relate? It’s not the only country, or even the most recent country with “stolen land”. So why do Irish people care so much about this specific country and not others?

I don't have space on this thread for 800 years of history but suffice to say there are massive parallels between the two countries. Even down to Balfour being involved in the both countries and the same Black and Tans regiments terrorising Ireland and the Palestinians.

And I don’t see genocide in Gaza, its conflict perpetrated by a terrorist state. Much like how Magdalene laundries aren’t actually a genocide, but me saying it doesn’t make it true (I think you missed my irony there). Both are humanitarian crises, much like the many happening the world over. They are not a genocide.

You brought up the "genocide of teenage girls" in a completely unironic way so I am not at all understanding why you have decided to twist this (perhaps because you were wrong?)

Snap @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend I was typing at the same time as you.

This thread would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

This sounds about right.

I live in Scotland and, for some reason, we seem to have inherited the brain rot that is sectarianism.

It’s alive and well in my city, and a good majority of those taking part in the Pro-Palestine protests are ultras belonging to a certain football team.

The other side are equally as problematic, albeit I don’t think they care about the Israel/Palestine conflict to the same extent. They are certainly problematic in other ways.

These people have been primed for hatred and bigotry, so it’s no great surprise, really.

After witnessing image after image of starving/malnourished babies and children this week, I have not much left to say.

but: “This cartoon really captures the moral distortion we keep seeing — where starving Palestinian children are still met with demands to ‘condemn Hamas’ before their suffering is acknowledged.”

Really did the British terrorise the Palestinians? You mean the Jewish and Christian Palestinians too?

When did Jewish people terrorist the Irish?

How is that relatable?

Surely you should be saying

‘EGYPT! OPEN YOUR FUCKING BORDERS!’

Saying “Egypt should just open the border” is like blaming the neighbour for not rescuing a child- while the parent has locked the door, set the house on fire, and is blocking the fire brigade.

Very interesting that you see Gaza as the child and Israel as the adult. Why?

The OP is referring to the Black and Tans , a vicious section of the British Army. They were brutal in Ireland during the War of Independence, one of the worst incidents was the shooting of 14 innocent people (including 3 children)when they came on the pitch at a match in Croke Park in 1920.
Following the Anglo Irish Treaty in 1921 many were recruited into the British Mandates Palestine Police force where Winston Churchill hoped they would use the same violent acts to suppress the Palestinian resistance.

Sorry just to add this is often cited as one of the reasons for the links between the two countries.

So @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend and @Martymcfly24 - you don’t believe that there is antisemitic literature in Irish curriculum despite evidence to the contrary? Why not? And do you REALLY care to find out more about how Jews in Ireland are feeling right now, or will you say it’s fake news too?

It is odd that pro-Palestinians never mention Egypt.

I wonder why.

So despite the fact that they could get refugees out and aid in, they don’t have any responsibility to Israel…but the UK do?

Riddle me that.

Also your analogy doesn’t work. In your analogy the child starts the fire

Maybe because one side has F-35 jets and a nuclear arsenal- and the other has starving civilians and no army?

You don’t think Hamas is an army?!

They’re certainly a wealthy and well resourced army who managed to carry out a huge massacre less than 2 years ago and have an impressive arsenal of weapons for a starving defenceless country.

Probably wasn’t very wise though that such an apparently armyless state started a war with the state that has F-35 jets.