Many pro-Palestinians DO actually support Hamas

[ConscientiousObserver]

There I said it.

Obviously they won’t come out and admit it, for fear of exposing themselves as supporters of evil, and also because they worry that they may be traced as it is supposedly illegal to support Hamas, as a proscribed terrorist group.

The evidence is all there -

The blind belief in the blatant Hamas propaganda which defies sense and logic.

The demonising descriptive language used to describe Israel.

The insistence that a war Israel didn’t start justifies Israeli and Jewish people around the work being persecuted, attacked and even murdered.

The protests against Israel but not Hamas who actually started the war.

The complete lack of interest or outrage in the Israeli hostages who actually included children and and a baby.

The calls for immediate ceasefire since the war started with no calls for Hamas to surrender.

The complete lack of accountability for Hamas and Palestinians in general.

I cannot fathom that anyone with a sane mind would support evil, barbaric murderers and rapists who also actively want to get their own civilians killed, and kill them themselves, so can we assume that for these people, their hatred of Israel and the Jewish people is greater than their care for human life as a whole.

A genuine question.

I have never said anything was fake news did I? The Jewish community in Ireland is very small (around 2700 I think) and I think most are in Dublin, there is a Jewish school there. Their voice is very important and there have been incidents of anti semitism. This is undeniable. This does not indicate however Ireland is anti semitic as a whole which was the statement you made I took issue with .

The reason I spoke about the antisemitism in the curriculum was because there is a report on this and I have read it all as I have taught using some of the books that were spoken about so I would always try to do better. However I felt many of the issues raised were not examples of anti semitism for eg calling Auschwitz a prisoner of war camp instead of a concentration camps which is wrong I agree, in the same chapter however it refers to the Holocaust as one of the most tragic and evil actions in History.The Holocaust is taught extensively in primary and secondary school.

What evidence do you have for anti semitic literature in the Irish Curriculum?

My analogy doesn’t say the child started the fire.

I guess you could say the UK supplied some petrol.

Here’s a video of some children in Gaza struggling to collect leaking water from beneath a water truck amid worsening hunger and thirst due to the ongoing Israeli starvation campaign:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM3d2YQNtMS/?igsh=MWo5bnI3MTI2azNxNA==

What i mean is an accurate analogy would have the child starting the fire. And the child would be an adult. Gaza is not a state of children

Whats going on in Gaza is terrible. It really is. But laying the blame entirely at Israel’s door is frankly dumb and uneducated

I don't think infantilising Gaza is justified, much though the Hamas propaganda wants us to view them all as innocent children.

Still don’t get why that would be a reason for anti-semitism in Ireland.

The Palestinian Arabs had 7 established armies behind them in 1948. The Jews had just themselves.

Hamas is quite clearly an army. An army of terrorists.

They invaded a country on 7 October and managed to massacre over 1,000, by hand, and take another 250 people hostage.

But yeah, essentially harmless.

We will have to agree to disagree. I see heaps on antisemitism coming out of Ireland. I see VERY dangerously antisemites and bro-Nazi TDs. And to say that calling Auschwitz a POW camp is not antisemitic is naive, or obtuse. Diluting the seriousness of the Holocaust is a form of Holocaust denial - which is about as antisemitic as you can get.

Given you apparently know there’s antisemitism in Ireland, do you make an effort to not be antisemitic in your support to Palestine? Because you’ve effectively already called Jews Israelis liars exaggerators. Stating Jews play the victim is a trope as old as time and one used firecely in Nazi literature. Just so you know. I hope you Hope to do better

That’s not what I said though ?

I wasn't talking about anti semitism I was giving one example for the link between the Palestine and Ireland with elements of shared history.

I'm not sure about your second paragraph, I don't know about that again I was just talking about the link between the two countries in the 1920's.

It was very clearly implied.

What did you mean when you said Palestine had “no army”?

Do you know why security is so tight at airports? It's not fear of Israeli terrorists.

www.counterextremism.com/terror-targets/airports-and-airplanes-targets

Well just think what Iran and the Arab world would have armed the Palestinians with if Israel hadn’t implemented a security blockade ‘open air prison’?

I highly doubt Hamas would have tried to mitigate civilian deaths or facilitated ANY aid, let alone the most amount of aid of any war in history.

They can't let aid in from Egypt because Isreal is blocking it.

They aren't accepting refugees into Egypt for 2 reasons: one is the same as Israel - security concerns, the other is that it gives the green light for Israel to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

I do appreciate that this is an incredibly challenging issue to solve, and that's in the abstract, sitting 1000s of miles away. Israelis are being asked to find the best way to accommodate continuing to share a border (in a peaceful manner) with a populace that are highly radicalized and many of whom harbor genocidal intent towards Jews, which recently manifested on October 7. We have to recognize the gravity of that but, at the same time, if the alternative is ethnic cleansing, that's not an acceptable (or legal) course either.

I'd also question whether ethnic cleansing into Egypt solves much of anything from Israel's perspective, and could even make a more dangerous situation for Israel going forwards.

I didn’t say they were essentially harmless 🙄

Hamas has armed fighters but isn’t a national army of a recognized state. Israel has a formal military with jets and nukes.

It’s important to recognise the difference between a state’s official military- which operates under internationally recognised laws and accountability- and a non-state militant group like Hamas.

They wouldn't want a ceasefire or to 'Stop the War' if Hamas were winning.

Unfortunately the complete and utter fuckwits Starmer, Macron and Carney have just incentivised Hamas to carry on being evil sadists.

Given that the Palestinians have repeatedly shown it is more important to them that the Jews don't have a state than to have a state of their own, creating a Palestinian state will not stop the violence in any way.

Yes, airport security is tight worldwide because airports and airplanes are high-profile targets for various terrorist groups globally- not just from one country or group.

The link you shared literally highlights that threats come from many extremist organizations with different motives 🤷‍♀️

Ok no evidence so just repeating what I posted.
Good luck.

Wow that’s an utterly simplistic view- ignoring decades of occupation, displacement, and blockade fueling this conflict.

You said:

one side has F-35 jets and a nuclear arsenal- and the other has starving civilians and no army?

That is absolutely insinuating that Hamas are essentially harmless in comparison.

Also, Israel having nuclear capabilities has no bearing on this at all. They would never be used anywhere, let alone in Gaza.

It’s important to recognise the difference between a state’s official military- which operates under internationally recognised laws and accountability- and a non-state militant group like Hamas.

Important, how?

What is the importance of it?

Does that somehow render the massacre of over 1,000 people by hand in a single day free from consequence?

I don’t understand the relevance of your conment in the context.

Read the Kneecap thread. You might remember it. If not, PM me x

It’s not justified, it’s not accidental, and in my opinion, it’s kind of racist (I’m not accusing anyone on this thread of racism) - really paternalistic and colonial thinking.

Hamas are superb propagandists, I will give them that.

Does recognising the structural difference between a militant group and a nuclear-armed state somehow render the massacre of over 1,000 people free from consequence? No. And I haven’t seen anyone here say that.

Look at you… desperately trying to twist my point: that there’s a power and structural difference between Hamas and the IDF- into a claim that I’m excusing Hamas.

What people have repeatedly pointed out is that the response has been catastrophically disproportionate.

Over 17,000 children have been killed since.
Israel has manufactured a famine, bombed aid convoys, flattened entire neighbourhoods, and repeatedly targeted civilian infrastructure. These are war crimes.

The distinction between a state military and a militant group matters precisely because states are bound by international law, and the IDF is not operating in a vacuum. Accountability matters.

If that distinction doesn’t seem important to you- maybe ask why the laws of war exist in the first place?

That’s an interesting take- but the analogy wasn’t infantilising Palestinians. It was highlighting the extreme power imbalance between a nuclear-armed state and a besieged civilian population with no army, no sovereignty, and no escape.

Calling that “paternalistic” is a deflection. Recognising structural oppression isn’t racist - but ignoring it while reframing any empathy as manipulation might be.

You’re more outraged by metaphors than by famine. I’m sure everyone reading these threads can see who’s really buying the propoganda.

It specifially highlights air travel terrorism as a tactic "popularized by Palestinian terror groups—including the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and the Abu Nidal Organization—who used airplane hijackings in order to publicize Palestinian grievances and gain worldwide coverage for their cause."

Now they can just use social media for that. Oh and throw in the odd 7 Oct just to keep Israel on their toes. No one seems to mind that.