Arab world tells Hamas to lay down arms and end rule of Gaza

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Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt called for the Palestinian terror group to disband on Tuesday, the first time they have done so.

They joined 14 other countries, including Britain and France, in signing a statement that also condemned the Oct 7 terror attacks and told Hamas to give up power.

It is the first time Arab countries have condemned the group and demanded it play no part in the future governance of Palestine.

“In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State,” reads the declaration, which was produced after a conference at the United Nations.

By signing the statement, the Arab nations also demanded the release of all remaining Israeli hostages.

“Only by ending the war in Gaza, releasing all hostages, ending occupation, rejecting violence and terror, realising an independent, sovereign, and democratic Palestinian State, ending the occupation of all Arab territories and providing solid security guarantees for Israel and Palestine, can normal relations and coexistence among the region’s peoples and States be achieved,” it reads.

The text, which was also signed by Canada and other Western nations, also supports a two-state solution and the deployment of foreign forces to Gaza when the war ends.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/29/arab-world-tells-hamas-lay-down-arms-end-rule-gaza/

@Jujujudo

You could make the argument that as long as the settlers are peacefully evacuated and as part of a political peace deal that aims to bring about long term peace and safety for all in Israel and Palestine that it wouldn’t be ethnic cleansing.

But yes I agree with you, it wouldn’t be easy. It would be complicated by the division in the land. It would be a long road and it feels very pie in the sky at the moment because none of the main players are talking peace at all.

It feels like some posters are happy to stand with the Israeli government no matter what.

But I stand corrected and like I said I wholeheartedly agree with this declaration.

Yes, but it’s still creating a country with zero Jews - I don’t know how that is acceptable. Imagine creating a country but saying no Muslims can live there. It doesn’t sit right. Also that was the idea with the withdrawal from Gaza, but then Hamas took over..
It’s such a mess.

I promise you that it is Israelis they support, not the government. And I would also argue that most of them support a free democratic Palestinian state too. Anyone else are extremists.

I understand what you are saying but in the context of a peace agreement in this location , at this moment in time you can either have a one state solution where everyone is welcome, free and equal or a two state solution where settlers leave. But you can’t have everything.

Peace agreements are never perfect, they always involve both sides giving up things that feel really important to them. Otherwise it would be easy. I suppose you have to hold on to the fact that it would be a path where ultimately everyone will be better off.

Can’t argue with any of that. I don’t like it though.

The settlers moved there, often by force, knowing full well that their settlements are illegal under international law. It's sad for the kids that are settled there, but it's no different from moving on any other illegal settlement. We do it in the UK and most other countries. It's the risk you take when you choose to live outside the law. And it's not exactly like the seekers are trying to coexist with the Palestinians living there. They take their land and impose apartheid on them. I have zero sympathy.

Almost no posters fall into that category and its pathetic the way people keep trying to push that line of argument to discredit people.

Agreed.

It’s about time. The rest of the Middle East have been craven cowards and co-conspirators in just letting Hamas do their dirty work of trying to kill all the Jews.

And standing by while Israel does their dirty work of trying to eliminate Hamas. No other ME country - except for Iran - wants to see Hamas or Hezbollah run things.

But they’re craven cowards

So therefore they deserve to be ethnically cleansed….?

With respect, it’s a bad idea, borderline dangerous to say things about which you know nothing. Especially with such inflammatory language.

I suppose it depends on what the majority of voters want.
If a state of Palestine is what they want , then they will vote for non extremists.
If the elimination of Israel and continued turmoil and no viable Palestinian state is what they want, they will vote for extremists.
The Germans did not vote to continue the quest for Aryanship and Jew eliminate nation post war.
The Germans chose to rebuild, and re educate and after the fall of the Berlin wall, they reunited.
Note that post war, the Germans accepted the international control of various zones in their country as a price to pay for starting and losing the war.
Most suggestions as to what should happen in Gaza post war have a precedent.

Anybody who pickachu faces at the suggestion that Hamas has no place in negotiations and that Hamas unconditionally surrenders has less thought for the Gazans than any Israeli, including Netanyahu can be accused of.

Which bits are wrong then?

This is so convoluted it it hurts.

So it's okay for Israeli settlers to forcibly kick Palestinians out of their homes and to take over land in the west bank. And in doing so they know they are breaking international law. But the people they kicked out wanting their land back, means they are ethnic cleansing, the setlist? Even though you don't think the settlers are ethnically cleansing those Palestinians. As I said, ow my head...

And the idea of relocating people that moved in knowing it was illegal, seemingly horrifies you, but the large scale destruction of homes, forcible movement of people, and proposed creation of a concentration camp, is all tikity boo. Or at least, not anything I've ever heard you criticise.

Most of it but I’m not going to try to convince you because I’m done with arguing about all this, and people debating my lived experience.

Again you are simply wrong. And again I’m not going to justify truth to people who talk about this with such hateful vitriol and bias.

That's fine, you don't have to talk to me. But I'm not going anywhere. If you defend breaching international law, I'll be here. If you are an apologist for genocide, I'll be here.

And you can claim I'm wrong but refuse to say why all you want, but it just makes it look like you don't actually have a reason.

If you are an apologist for genocide, I'll be here.

Israel is not committing genocide. Their policy is not the deliberate targetting of civilians. They're fighting partially with ground troops to minimise casualties, at the loss of nearly 1000 soldiers to date. They're providing food aid to the Gazans.

Genocide does not equal civilians killed as collatoral in conflict. It is the deliberate killing of civilians belonging to a specific group, because they are members of this group. It's a weird sort of genocide when the supposed perpetrators arrange to have a sick child evaculated for treatment, for instance.

I can quite categorically confirm that this did not happen.

You know that's rubbish. I know that's rubbish. You're hoping that other people will believe the rubbish.

We see through it now.

You know that's rubbish

I could as easily say that you know the genocide claims are rubbish.

I am not looking at this through the lens of Israel being a uniquely awful and evil place. I don't assume the worst possible motivations for every single one of their actions, and believe the Hamas version of every single event.

I'm also conscious of the sheer level of propaganda that has been at play throughout the conflict.

On this basis, I draw the conclusion that this is not a genocide. That, and the comparison with genocides that have occured.

One side has consistently offered peace and land deals and resolutions since the 1930s and has striven to make a two state solution happen, and the other side’s motto is “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab” (i.e. free of Jews)

Dude, the other side (ie Israel) are led by a ruling party, that basically has that slogan in its Constitution! Except it's to keep out the Palestinians instead...

And yet you criticise one side for it and not the other? Likud has zero moral authority to complain about that slogan until it's banished from their own Constitution.

And Netanyahu has done everything in his power to push away a two-state solution. He's been clear about that verbally, his entire reason for previously promoting the growth of Hamas, was to increase stability so that it would decrease the likelihood of two states becoming a reality. That's before we even get into that assassination...

I'm descended from people who were taken by the British, their homes and farms burned, and interred in concentration camps. 50% of the children died. Half of them.
And even that was never officially named as a genocide, although some disagree.