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Conflict in the Middle East

How is forced starvation allowed?

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Tinycatnoise · 23/07/2025 22:28

The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

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Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:27

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:20

Considering all your other posts on Hamas, i took it to mean you meant Hamas.

As it was your link, you could have pointed out that the trucks were looted by hungry people?

It's not my fault if you make assumptions on things I didn't say.

As it was your link, you could have pointed out that the trucks were looted by hungry people?

Perhaps in your haste to discredit me you didn't read the post I made with the link. It is copy and pasted below:

According to the UN2720 Monitoring & Tracking Report, covering May 19 – July 23, 2025, 85% of UN aid trucks were intercepted (did not reach their distribution point at all).

More specifically, 1,404 trucks carrying over 19,000 tons of aid were intercepted during transit in Gaza, which the UN describes as either:

peacefully by hungry people, or
forcefully by armed actors, including Hamas-affiliated looters.

This corresponds to approximately 85% of the UN-manifested humanitarian aid trucks during that period, a staggering figure, and a direct admission from UN-tracked data.

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:28

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:27

It's not my fault if you make assumptions on things I didn't say.

As it was your link, you could have pointed out that the trucks were looted by hungry people?

Perhaps in your haste to discredit me you didn't read the post I made with the link. It is copy and pasted below:

According to the UN2720 Monitoring & Tracking Report, covering May 19 – July 23, 2025, 85% of UN aid trucks were intercepted (did not reach their distribution point at all).

More specifically, 1,404 trucks carrying over 19,000 tons of aid were intercepted during transit in Gaza, which the UN describes as either:

peacefully by hungry people, or
forcefully by armed actors, including Hamas-affiliated looters.

This corresponds to approximately 85% of the UN-manifested humanitarian aid trucks during that period, a staggering figure, and a direct admission from UN-tracked data.

Fair enough, apologies for jumping to conclusions.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:30

GentleSheep · 28/07/2025 17:19

You're relying on AI?? Wow.

I can't find any credible evidence of this occurring and neither can AI.

How is forced starvation allowed?
Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:30

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:28

Fair enough, apologies for jumping to conclusions.

Thank you. Apology accepted.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:33

PaxAeterna · 28/07/2025 17:21

@Voxon

There is absolutely no evidence that Israeli soldiers have tied children to tanks. Maybe this person is thinking of an incident where a wounded Palestinian man was tied to the front of a military jeep by the IDF as a shield.

There have been many documented cases of the IDF forcing children to walk in front of military vehicles or forcing them to walk in front of them as a shield basically.

Edited

Entirely possible. I'm happy to respond to questions, but merely pointing out that this allegation appears to be false.

I find it difficult to debate when people aren't factual. If they'd like to discuss the other incidents, I unequivocally condemn them amd they are in fact illegal in Israel. It is certainly not Israeli policy to use human shields.

dairydebris · 28/07/2025 17:35

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:33

Entirely possible. I'm happy to respond to questions, but merely pointing out that this allegation appears to be false.

I find it difficult to debate when people aren't factual. If they'd like to discuss the other incidents, I unequivocally condemn them amd they are in fact illegal in Israel. It is certainly not Israeli policy to use human shields.

Jesus. I don't know how you've got the patience. Bravo. Xx

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:36

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 17:22

And I do unequivocally condemn those actions by Hamas. I haven’t at any point asked you or anyone else to support Hamas or said I think they’re anything but terrible. We have exchanged many messages, I’m surprised my point hasn’t been clear to you all along.

What I am asking is whether you can accept that Israel has also committed war crimes or caused significant suffering to innocent people. This has been my consistent line of argument. I don’t condone anything that Hamas has done or encourage anyone to support their actions. What I have repeatedly asked is how you can say Israel have not also done things wrong in this war.

I've never said isrsel haven't dome things wrong. They certainly have. But there's absolutely no comparison between them and Hamas who are a genocidal terror organisation who are responsible almost entirely for the current loss of life.

LipstickLessons · 28/07/2025 17:40

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:10

I didn't remotely imply anything of the sort. I said they were stolen or intercepted. Which they were.

After Israel had already blocked aid for 3 months. What was the reason Israel blocked aid from innocent people for 3 months? The reason the aid was taken by starving people was because they were starving from having no aid for 3 months. Using this as proof of anything except how desperate people are for food is ridiculous.

LipstickLessons · 28/07/2025 17:41

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:36

I've never said isrsel haven't dome things wrong. They certainly have. But there's absolutely no comparison between them and Hamas who are a genocidal terror organisation who are responsible almost entirely for the current loss of life.

What have Israel done wrong in your view?

GentleSheep · 28/07/2025 17:49

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:30

I can't find any credible evidence of this occurring and neither can AI.

Sorry I wasn't questioning you on using it, Voxon, it but the user dontthink who said "ai gave me these links". I would hope people would actually search for evidence without using AI which can be inaccurate, biased and just plain wrong.

GentleSheep · 28/07/2025 18:04

Chuck Holton (ex military reporter) now live in Jerusalem talking about the Gaza aid issues. If you have questions you can ask him!

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 18:13

GentleSheep · 28/07/2025 17:49

Sorry I wasn't questioning you on using it, Voxon, it but the user dontthink who said "ai gave me these links". I would hope people would actually search for evidence without using AI which can be inaccurate, biased and just plain wrong.

Alright for some to use it

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 18:16

I can search but I wanted several links as I know this poster wouldn’t be satisfied with one.

Also said poster, did you read the AI link you posted and cropped, which said that Israeli soldiers do use children as human shields. You proved my point.

And you are racist if you deny the evidence and accounts of verified incidents against Palestinians but happily accept anything that goes against Jewish people.

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 18:26

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:36

I've never said isrsel haven't dome things wrong. They certainly have. But there's absolutely no comparison between them and Hamas who are a genocidal terror organisation who are responsible almost entirely for the current loss of life.

But surely we must compare the actions of two sides in a conflict as they are so closely linked? Neither are acting in a vacuum so you have to apportion blame based on each side’s actions. I’m not asking for you to say that Israel is worse than Hamas or as bad as Hamas. I just don’t understand how you can’t see that their actions play a significant role in the suffering. George Bush had an influential in holding the elections that brought Hamas to power. I don’t link all future actions by Hamas to him because Hamas must be held responsible for their actions. Similarly, Hamas must be held accountable for the acts of 7/10 and their role in this war. But that accountability must also stretch to Israel’s army and government. They have been accused of war crimes and I don’t see how that doesn’t lower them to the very people they are fighting against. They are meant to be, as you’ve said, better than them.

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Voxon · 28/07/2025 18:30

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 18:16

I can search but I wanted several links as I know this poster wouldn’t be satisfied with one.

Also said poster, did you read the AI link you posted and cropped, which said that Israeli soldiers do use children as human shields. You proved my point.

And you are racist if you deny the evidence and accounts of verified incidents against Palestinians but happily accept anything that goes against Jewish people.

You made a claim that was false. Truth matters

Voxon · 28/07/2025 18:45

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 18:26

But surely we must compare the actions of two sides in a conflict as they are so closely linked? Neither are acting in a vacuum so you have to apportion blame based on each side’s actions. I’m not asking for you to say that Israel is worse than Hamas or as bad as Hamas. I just don’t understand how you can’t see that their actions play a significant role in the suffering. George Bush had an influential in holding the elections that brought Hamas to power. I don’t link all future actions by Hamas to him because Hamas must be held responsible for their actions. Similarly, Hamas must be held accountable for the acts of 7/10 and their role in this war. But that accountability must also stretch to Israel’s army and government. They have been accused of war crimes and I don’t see how that doesn’t lower them to the very people they are fighting against. They are meant to be, as you’ve said, better than them.

It's not two kids fighting in a playground. One side attacked the other, has loudly promised to continue attacking the other, and has hostages they refuse to return.

Any state in Israel's position has an obligation to ensure their hostages are returned and the promise to attack Israel again and again can't be fulfilled.

Everything else is debatable detail, but those are the basic facts.

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 19:11

Voxon · 28/07/2025 18:45

It's not two kids fighting in a playground. One side attacked the other, has loudly promised to continue attacking the other, and has hostages they refuse to return.

Any state in Israel's position has an obligation to ensure their hostages are returned and the promise to attack Israel again and again can't be fulfilled.

Everything else is debatable detail, but those are the basic facts.

Yes, but without wiping out the civilian population. Again, it is the way in which Israel is going about this war that is troubling not the reasoning behind it. People need to hold counties like Israel to account and be outraged when they commit war crimes otherwise future wars will become more devastating. Even in the current context, if Israel is given a green light to conduct warfare as it is, then Russia might kill many more Ukrainians because the rules can’t apply to one and not the other.

We need to hold Israel accountable for its role in the war rather than saying that you can do anything in war because ‘you didn’t start it’. And when you view the images of Gaza since the war, you have to wonder how anyone could keep the hostages safe. Huge areas are flattened. Even the hostages families have questioned Israel’s approach because of the widespread destruction.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 19:13

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 19:11

Yes, but without wiping out the civilian population. Again, it is the way in which Israel is going about this war that is troubling not the reasoning behind it. People need to hold counties like Israel to account and be outraged when they commit war crimes otherwise future wars will become more devastating. Even in the current context, if Israel is given a green light to conduct warfare as it is, then Russia might kill many more Ukrainians because the rules can’t apply to one and not the other.

We need to hold Israel accountable for its role in the war rather than saying that you can do anything in war because ‘you didn’t start it’. And when you view the images of Gaza since the war, you have to wonder how anyone could keep the hostages safe. Huge areas are flattened. Even the hostages families have questioned Israel’s approach because of the widespread destruction.

What you're saying is true. Unfortunately there's no option other than for Hamas to surrender, because if they don't there's only going to be another pause before they do it again x

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 19:29

Voxon · 28/07/2025 19:13

What you're saying is true. Unfortunately there's no option other than for Hamas to surrender, because if they don't there's only going to be another pause before they do it again x

Hamas surrendering would be a positive in many ways but I think it is unlikely partly because of Israel’s conduct. Again, I don’t want to sound like a broken record but Israel has killed a lot of innocent people and I fear has inadvertently recruited at least some people to Hamas’s cause. And I’m not sympathetic to Hamas at all but if someone killed my kids, I wouldn’t care about why my country had ended up in such a desperate situation , I’d just want destroy the people who killed them.

I’m also not sure what life would be like for the remaining Gazans. I’d hope they’d be treated like victims but I fear they wouldn’t be.

Out of interest, are you also keen for Netanyahu to step down and face the ICC?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 19:32

GentleSheep · 28/07/2025 18:04

Chuck Holton (ex military reporter) now live in Jerusalem talking about the Gaza aid issues. If you have questions you can ask him!

I will be back on this thread in due time. I just wanted to jump on and highlight that:

Holton’s reporting and commentary have attracted criticism for perceived partiality toward Israel. For instance, in a 2025 broadcast, he dismissed claims of starvation in Gaza as “straight from Hamas,” suggesting that such narratives are manipulated. Additionally, he has accused the United Nations of bias against Israel, labeling it a “useless nation” that unfairly criticizes the country while overlooking other global atrocities .

His commentary often aligns with conservative and pro-Israel perspectives. This alignment may influence his interpretations of events, particularly in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Therefore, while his reports provide valuable insights, they should be considered alongside a range of sources to obtain a comprehensive understanding of the issues at hand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Holton

https://www2.cbn.com/person/chuck-holton https://www.newsmax.com/insiders/chuckholton/id-352/ https://hotzoneholton.podbean.com/
Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 19:39

JD Vance has come out and said Israel needs to do more to allow aid into Gaza as children are starving there.

Never thought i would hear these words from him.

Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 19:40

And the EU are going to discuss further sanctions against Israel tomorrow.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 19:58

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 19:29

Hamas surrendering would be a positive in many ways but I think it is unlikely partly because of Israel’s conduct. Again, I don’t want to sound like a broken record but Israel has killed a lot of innocent people and I fear has inadvertently recruited at least some people to Hamas’s cause. And I’m not sympathetic to Hamas at all but if someone killed my kids, I wouldn’t care about why my country had ended up in such a desperate situation , I’d just want destroy the people who killed them.

I’m also not sure what life would be like for the remaining Gazans. I’d hope they’d be treated like victims but I fear they wouldn’t be.

Out of interest, are you also keen for Netanyahu to step down and face the ICC?

I think the ICC should be apolitical. If Netanyahu should face trial then so should Vladimir Putin, Bashar al-Assad, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Tony Blair, Mohammed bin Salman, Ali Abdullah Saleh, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Omar al-Bashir, Mengistu Haile Mariam, Isaias Afwerki, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Pervez Musharraf, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, Xi Jinping just based on innocent cuvilian deaths. Then if you add in war crimes Narendra Modi, Yoweri Museveni, Paul Kagame, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Min Aung Hlaing, Rodrigo Duterte, Prabowo Subianto, Hun Sen, Nicolás Maduro, Aleksandar Vučić, anyone left alive in Halas, the entire IRGC command along with the clerics and if we're talking complicity then that list would be too long to write.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 20:04

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:18

I noticed a poster also called everyone posting here who are of a different view useless idiots. It is obvious who is getting personal and resorting to personal attacks

I find it incredibly interesting that a link has been shared to ‘Chuck Holton’, who also uses exactly the same vocabulary and has called the UN a “useless nation”.

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