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Conflict in the Middle East

How is forced starvation allowed?

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Tinycatnoise · 23/07/2025 22:28

The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

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Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 16:34

This figure is for three months? May till July?

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 16:38

Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 16:34

This figure is for three months? May till July?

Hopefully these are easy to read.

How is forced starvation allowed?
How is forced starvation allowed?
Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 16:40

From that figure 90% of the aid trucks that were looted or intercepted were by hungry Gazans in the months of May and June from the WFP. That's been well documented in the news during that period. This figure does not distinguish between armed actors and hungry Palestinians.

Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 16:47

From all the UN trucks that entered and were intercepted - 90% of those trucks between May and July were WFP trucks.

There are so many articles on MSM reporting looting of WFP trucks by hungry Palestinians during that time.

This one incident shows how 80 trucks were looted in one go by hungry and desperate Palestininans.

How is forced starvation allowed?
Dontthink · 28/07/2025 16:48

They need to flood the area with aid. Not tracked in trucks, almost trying to cause this. If I was starving I would steal as-well. If my children were dying god know what I would do.

Look in the UK there are videos of people ransacking the yellow sticker fridge. And let’s not forget the emptying of shops during Covid and there wasn’t any food scarcity at all.

What would you do for your starving children?

Voxon · 28/07/2025 16:48

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 15:08

Hamas does not have popular support. The innocent people in Gaza do. For the millionth time, if you can provide me with your info sources, that apparently aren’t allowed to include anyone apart from Israeli sources, I’d really appreciate it. Because it’s getting boring hearing the same old argument with zero evidence. There are people who have at least tried to put together a proper argument and I’ve read their posts with interest.

And I’ll ask again, if Hamas are using humans as shields, is it acceptable for Israel to shoot at/bomb those shields? Because I feel like if a baby was literally being held hostage and held up as a shield, the police wouldn’t just shoot the baby. If they did, there would be uproar and the officer would be fired and arrested.

In the context of Hamas, using human shields means deliberately placing civilians, especially children, women, and vulnerable people,in or near military targets to deter attacks from Israel or to generate civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Hamas has been documented......

Launching rockets from densely populated areas like schools, mosques, hospitals, and apartment buildings, knowing that Israel will hesitate to strike or risk international condemnation if civilians are harmed.

Hiding weapons in civilian infrastructure, such as UN schools or homes, effectively turning those places into military assets while people still live or shelter there.

Operating command centres and tunnel entrances under hospitals (e.g. under Al-Shifa Hospital), making the hospital a legitimate target under international law, yet accusing Israel of war crimes when it's struck.

Forcing civilians to stay put, Hamas has blocked evacuations, shot at people trying to flee, and encouraged residents to ignore Israeli evacuation warnings, increasing the risk of civilian casualties.

Using hostages as literal human shields to protect Hamas fighters and infrastructure from being targeted.

The goal of all this is twofold:

  1. Tactically, it protects Hamas fighters.
  1. Strategically, it exploits civilian deaths to demonise Israel in the media and sway global opinion.

It is a violation of international law and a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. You should condemn it unequivocally.

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 16:50

It well documented and videoed that Israeli soldiers use children as human shields.

They tie them to the front of tanks.

They send them into tunnels to ‘clear’ them incase there are bombs.

Please condemn above

GentleSheep · 28/07/2025 16:54

Voxon · 28/07/2025 13:42

Me neither. I used to think people from historical situations believed propaganda because they had limited sources of information. Now I see they believe it because they want to. I've seriously just had to reply to a post where I'm pretty sure the person was claiming Hamas don't lie 😂

Thanks for posting this Voxon - it takes courage to swim against the prevailing tide.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 16:59

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 16:50

It well documented and videoed that Israeli soldiers use children as human shields.

They tie them to the front of tanks.

They send them into tunnels to ‘clear’ them incase there are bombs.

Please condemn above

Claim: "Israeli soldiers tie children to tanks"

Please provide credible evidence of this.

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:01

Voxon · 28/07/2025 16:19

I won't be holding my breath for the apology!

No you wont be getting one because you implied that 80% were intercepted by Hamas, turns out that its mostly hungry people doing the looting, which is well documented.

Also UN says, in your link, that the amount of aid let in by Israel govt is but a tiny drop in the ocean for whats needed.

Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 17:08

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:01

No you wont be getting one because you implied that 80% were intercepted by Hamas, turns out that its mostly hungry people doing the looting, which is well documented.

Also UN says, in your link, that the amount of aid let in by Israel govt is but a tiny drop in the ocean for whats needed.

Keeping in mind that Israel imposed a full blockade of aid from March 2025 till around Mid-May 2025

Is there any surprise that when the blockade was partially lifted after three months in the middle of May, that desperate Palestinians intercepted trucks and took aid for their starving families?

Kakeandkake · 28/07/2025 17:09

It is deception at it's finest.

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 17:10

Voxon · 28/07/2025 16:59

Claim: "Israeli soldiers tie children to tanks"

Please provide credible evidence of this.

Confirmed Cases & Reports Involving Children
Defense for Children International – Palestine (DCIP)

  1. Jabalia Refugee Camp, Gaza (October 2024)
  2. Israeli forces forced children as young as six to stand in front of tanks and bulldozers under live fire during operations in the Jabalia camp The Times+15DCI Palestine+15Lemkin Institute+15.
  3. Siege of Al-Shifa Hospital, Gaza (April & March 2024)
  4. Multiple families, including children aged 12 to infants, were stripped, tied, and forced to walk in front of tanks and bulldozers during and around the siege of Al‑Shifa Hospital DCI Palestine+1Wikipedia+1.
  5. Tulkarm Refugee Camp, West Bank (May 2024)
  6. Three boys aged 11, 12, and 14 were used as human shields—Israeli soldiers placed rifles on their shoulders as they walked ahead during searches Wikipedia+5DCI Palestine+5Reddit+5.
  7. Shalloun Family, Jericho Area (March 2023)
  8. Four children (ages 2, 9, 11) were forced to stand in front of military vehicles while tear gas and live fire were used nearby The Guardian+9DCI Palestine+9Reuters+9.
  9. General DCIP Dataset Since 2004
  10. 26 documented cases involving Palestinian children being used as human shields, including being tied to the bonnet of military vehicles for hours during conflict operations DCI Palestine+12Truthout+12DCI Palestine+12ynetnews+15DCI Palestine+15Wikipedia+15.
  11. Gaza City, Al-Tuffah Area (Dec 27, 2023)
  12. Children aged 11, 12, 13 were stripped, bound, and forced to walk in front of tanks; beaten and threatened with dogs and live fire for hours Lemkin Institute.
United Nations Findings
  1. Committee on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC, mid-2000s to 2013)
  2. Identified 14 cases between 2010–2013 of Israeli forces using children as human shields—such as forcing them to enter dangerous buildings or search bags—and noted almost no prosecutions followed Financial Times+13CBS News+13Wikipedia+13.
  3. Historic Cases (such as 11‑year‑old boy in 2009)
  4. A UN team in Gaza reported Israeli soldiers used an 11-year-old boy as a human shield. Additional testimonies include three Palestinians aged 14–16 used similarly during combat operationswashingtonpost.com+7Wikipedia+7Reddit+7.
UN Security Council / Children & Armed Conflict Report (2025)
  1. Gaza Conflict Impact on Children
  2. A UN annual review recorded over 4,800 confirmed cases in Gaza during 2024—including many involving boys used directly as human shields by security forces

Israeli war crimes - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:10

Here we go again, yet more diversion and deflection.

The issue is the lack of aid into Gaza, not what Hamas has or has not done, all of which is what the IDF say they are doing, much like Hamas, the IDF are past masters at lying.

See what happened when they gunned down Gazan medics in clearly marked and flashing lights/sirens.
Or blowing up children collecting water.... or even shooting their own escaping hostages.

Thats not to say Hamas hasn't done everything you say but its not the issue right now.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:10

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:01

No you wont be getting one because you implied that 80% were intercepted by Hamas, turns out that its mostly hungry people doing the looting, which is well documented.

Also UN says, in your link, that the amount of aid let in by Israel govt is but a tiny drop in the ocean for whats needed.

I didn't remotely imply anything of the sort. I said they were stolen or intercepted. Which they were.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:12

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 17:10

Confirmed Cases & Reports Involving Children
Defense for Children International – Palestine (DCIP)

  1. Jabalia Refugee Camp, Gaza (October 2024)
  2. Israeli forces forced children as young as six to stand in front of tanks and bulldozers under live fire during operations in the Jabalia camp The Times+15DCI Palestine+15Lemkin Institute+15.
  3. Siege of Al-Shifa Hospital, Gaza (April & March 2024)
  4. Multiple families, including children aged 12 to infants, were stripped, tied, and forced to walk in front of tanks and bulldozers during and around the siege of Al‑Shifa Hospital DCI Palestine+1Wikipedia+1.
  5. Tulkarm Refugee Camp, West Bank (May 2024)
  6. Three boys aged 11, 12, and 14 were used as human shields—Israeli soldiers placed rifles on their shoulders as they walked ahead during searches Wikipedia+5DCI Palestine+5Reddit+5.
  7. Shalloun Family, Jericho Area (March 2023)
  8. Four children (ages 2, 9, 11) were forced to stand in front of military vehicles while tear gas and live fire were used nearby The Guardian+9DCI Palestine+9Reuters+9.
  9. General DCIP Dataset Since 2004
  10. 26 documented cases involving Palestinian children being used as human shields, including being tied to the bonnet of military vehicles for hours during conflict operations DCI Palestine+12Truthout+12DCI Palestine+12ynetnews+15DCI Palestine+15Wikipedia+15.
  11. Gaza City, Al-Tuffah Area (Dec 27, 2023)
  12. Children aged 11, 12, 13 were stripped, bound, and forced to walk in front of tanks; beaten and threatened with dogs and live fire for hours Lemkin Institute.
United Nations Findings
  1. Committee on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC, mid-2000s to 2013)
  2. Identified 14 cases between 2010–2013 of Israeli forces using children as human shields—such as forcing them to enter dangerous buildings or search bags—and noted almost no prosecutions followed Financial Times+13CBS News+13Wikipedia+13.
  3. Historic Cases (such as 11‑year‑old boy in 2009)
  4. A UN team in Gaza reported Israeli soldiers used an 11-year-old boy as a human shield. Additional testimonies include three Palestinians aged 14–16 used similarly during combat operationswashingtonpost.com+7Wikipedia+7Reddit+7.
UN Security Council / Children & Armed Conflict Report (2025)
  1. Gaza Conflict Impact on Children
  2. A UN annual review recorded over 4,800 confirmed cases in Gaza during 2024—including many involving boys used directly as human shields by security forces

None of this shows israel tying children to tanks. Can you show credible evidence of that please? I've run in through AI and it says its a myth and can't find any incident of that having taken place.

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 17:16

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Dontthink · 28/07/2025 17:18

Show me where ai says it’s a myth because ai gave me these links

GentleSheep · 28/07/2025 17:19

Dontthink · 28/07/2025 17:18

Show me where ai says it’s a myth because ai gave me these links

You're relying on AI?? Wow.

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:20

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:10

I didn't remotely imply anything of the sort. I said they were stolen or intercepted. Which they were.

Considering all your other posts on Hamas, i took it to mean you meant Hamas.

As it was your link, you could have pointed out that the trucks were looted by hungry people?

PaxAeterna · 28/07/2025 17:21

@Voxon

There is absolutely no evidence that Israeli soldiers have tied children to tanks. Maybe this person is thinking of an incident where a wounded Palestinian man was tied to the front of a military jeep by the IDF as a shield.

There have been many documented cases of the IDF forcing children to walk in front of military vehicles or forcing them to walk in front of them as a shield basically.

PinkBobby · 28/07/2025 17:22

Voxon · 28/07/2025 16:48

In the context of Hamas, using human shields means deliberately placing civilians, especially children, women, and vulnerable people,in or near military targets to deter attacks from Israel or to generate civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Hamas has been documented......

Launching rockets from densely populated areas like schools, mosques, hospitals, and apartment buildings, knowing that Israel will hesitate to strike or risk international condemnation if civilians are harmed.

Hiding weapons in civilian infrastructure, such as UN schools or homes, effectively turning those places into military assets while people still live or shelter there.

Operating command centres and tunnel entrances under hospitals (e.g. under Al-Shifa Hospital), making the hospital a legitimate target under international law, yet accusing Israel of war crimes when it's struck.

Forcing civilians to stay put, Hamas has blocked evacuations, shot at people trying to flee, and encouraged residents to ignore Israeli evacuation warnings, increasing the risk of civilian casualties.

Using hostages as literal human shields to protect Hamas fighters and infrastructure from being targeted.

The goal of all this is twofold:

  1. Tactically, it protects Hamas fighters.
  1. Strategically, it exploits civilian deaths to demonise Israel in the media and sway global opinion.

It is a violation of international law and a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. You should condemn it unequivocally.

And I do unequivocally condemn those actions by Hamas. I haven’t at any point asked you or anyone else to support Hamas or said I think they’re anything but terrible. We have exchanged many messages, I’m surprised my point hasn’t been clear to you all along.

What I am asking is whether you can accept that Israel has also committed war crimes or caused significant suffering to innocent people. This has been my consistent line of argument. I don’t condone anything that Hamas has done or encourage anyone to support their actions. What I have repeatedly asked is how you can say Israel have not also done things wrong in this war.

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:23

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"This amount of evidence"? There is no evidence at all from any credible news source nor any human rights agencies that Israel ties children to tanks. I've asked you for it, and you can't produce it.

Alexandra2001 · 28/07/2025 17:26

Voxon · 28/07/2025 17:12

None of this shows israel tying children to tanks. Can you show credible evidence of that please? I've run in through AI and it says its a myth and can't find any incident of that having taken place.

There isn't independent evidence, however former IDF troops have said IDF have used Gazans to enter buildings and tunnels first & some Gazans have said this has happened.
IDF launched an investigation into this, which found no wrong doing.

Various organisations say they have collated credible reports into this sort of thing but in war, its difficult to know the truth.

But we also have past behaviour, proven by the IDF no less.

In 2010, two IDF staff sergeants were demoted for forcing a nine-year-old Palestinian boy to open a number of bags suspected of containing explosives

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