How is forced starvation allowed?

[Tinycatnoise]

The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

It's utterly bizarre. People aren't even pretending now that Israel aren't starving people as a weapon of war but still they are fine with it. Yeah we all care about the babies starving to death but listen some are disabled, some are getting their photos taken so you know....

Tell me you don’t know the complexity of the situation without telling me…

Israel’s blockade of Gaza began in 2007. There’s been no serious peace offer on the table. Israel has not offered a ceasefire in exchange for surrender- only more violence, more hostages and more pressure. Even the International Crisis Group, Amnesty, and Human Rights Watch have said the Israeli strategy appears designed to punish and destroy Gaza’s civilian population and infrastructure- not just defeat Hamas. I could go on and on… and I have on other threads.

So the idea that Hamas could have “ended” this by surrendering is a myth.

Blockade of Gaza & Collective Punishment

• https://www.ochaopt.org/content/overview
• https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/10/gaza-crisis-needs-more-world-leaders-less-israel

Lack of Peace or Ceasefire Offers

• https://www.crisisgroup.org
• https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-says-he-wont-accept-palestinian-state-after-war-gaza-2024-01-18/
• https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15649.doc.htm
• https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-07/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-to-continue-war-even-if-hamas-accepts-deal/0000018f-2e55-d370-a3af-2ff558ac0000

Deliberate Starvation & Destruction of Civilian Infrastructure

• https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/03/israel-deliberately-starving-civilians-in-gaza/
• https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/18/israel-starvation-war-crime
• https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/eastern-mediterranean/israelpalestine

See you there ❤️

This Amnesty International report outlines harrowing evidence of chronic starvation conditions- and even infant deaths from formula denial in Gaza, under a blockade from Israel. Since March–May 2025, WHO and OCHA report almost 60 children dead from malnutrition, while MSF, UNICEF, and Reuters warn that therapeutic food stocks will run out imminently:

• https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/07/gaza-evidence-points-to-israels-continued-use-of-starvation-to-inflict-genocide-against-palestinians/

Further reading:

• https://www.who.int/news/item/12-05-2025-people-in-gaza-starving–sick-and-dying-as-aid-blockade-continues
• https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/gaza-running-out-specialised-food-save-malnourished-children-2025-07-25/
• https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/25/severe-malnutrition-under-5s-gaza-city–tripled-two-weeks-charity-msf
• https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/more-5000-children-diagnosed-malnutrition-gaza-strip-may
• https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-war-on-gazas-children
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Gaza_war_%2818_March_2025_%E2%80%93_15_May_2025%29

Why did Israel blockade Gaza in 2007?

Come on now……….

Why did Egypt do the same in 2009?

Tell me you don’t know the complexity of the situation without telling me…

Still, nothing you could argue could justify the starvation of nearly 2 million people though. A war crime.

You stated that Israel imposed a blockade on Gaza then accused a poster of not understanding the complexity of the situation.

Why are you deflecting from the question in my post?

But where is your evidence that Dr Rose shares any of these views? Drs who work in war zones are usually there because they want to help people and that’s it. If a British Dr spoke about seeing horrific injuries after 7 Oct, I wouldn’t question them. Why is there one set of rules for one side and a different bar for the other side.

Both sides should be condemned for horrendous acts, both sides are responsible for pain and suffering, both sides are spreading misinformation. I guess the bar should be higher for Israel as they are a democratic country with western values and not a terrorist organisation. Their behaviour/conduct in any situation should be markedly better than their enemy.

Because, while I’m sure I could enter into a lengthy debate about why Israel blockaded Gaza in 2007…

I’m actually really, really tired of debating the same points with the same posters over and over again.

Maybe the real question should be: ‘how does that justify Israel committing war crimes against Gaza’?

How does that justify Israel starving nearly 2 million people?

How does that justify Israel killing newborns by denying them aid and formula?

No, the hunger hierarchy exists in the minds of some people here. The ones who deny that some children have starved to death because they might have pre existing conditions. Obviously those children don't count as having starved to death and aren't representative of the Gazan population. Which other deaths don't count?

I agree - whether you want to go back to the beginning of time, or 7/10 or just look at this year in isolation, do you @Anonimummy accept Hamas and Israel (govt and military) have done things wrong in this conflict or are Israel, as you’ve said previously, the ‘good’ guy who has done no wrong? And if they are the good guy, how do you reconcile the war crimes they have committed with that good guy label. Because you can blame Hamas for their role in the pain and suffering but if human shields are being used, Israel doesn’t have to shoot/bomb them. That’s totally on them and, in my eyes, indefensible.

I have never denied that some children have starved to death because they might have pre existing conditions.

As you quoted me, I will confirm that I believe that babies & children have died from malnutrition in Gaza.

The pre existing conditions debate is only around propaganda and why Mohammed's inability to digest ordinary formula isn't mention in his photo as it is a relevant point.

It isn't saying at all that his life isn't as precious as anyone else's. Remember the "hunger hierarchy" was not suggested by me or anyone else on the pro Israel side.

When a child dies of hunger because there’s no safe formula, the cause of death is still hunger- whether their gut could tolerate a substitute or not. No child should have to rely on imported specialist formula to survive in the first place.

So yes- it’s fair to ask: which other deaths don’t count? And who gets to decide?

... Because passata, kids, crayons and chocolate were so dangerous. Clearly. At least that's the justification they went for, even though that's patently ridiculous, and even though every time they bomb Gaza, then and now, they no, her must just recycle those bits of metal back into weapons. But knowing this and continuing to bomb, ie arming them, whilst simultaneously pretending passata is dangerous, it's something we're supposed to be okay with.

Their policy of punishing the entire population is nothing new, they've just stepped it up a lot.

And beyond this one case, there are currently thousands of other children- with no disabilities, no special dietary needs- who are also starving due to the blockade. What’s the excuse for their deaths?

The Dr sued and was reinstated.
https://www.rllaw.co.uk/rahman-lowe-secures-victory-for-dr-wahid-shaida-whose-suspension-is-lifted-by-nhs-england/

It just proves how brutal and indiscriminate the blockade is, even babies with medical needs aren’t spared.

My youngest needed specialist formula too. If we’d been at war, does that mean I should just accept she’d be one of the first to die? That her death wouldn’t “count” because she had medical needs? What a terrifying standard to set for which children are considered worthy of survival.

If a war and blockade create conditions where children with medical needs are the first to die, that’s not an excuse- that’s the very definition of a man-made famine.

And if the only way a child’s death “counts” is if they were perfectly healthy beforehand, then we’re admitting some children are more disposable than others. That is a hunger hierarchy.

Mohammed’s image is not propaganda because it shows the real impact of Israel’s blockade and the famine in Gaza.

He needed a specific formula to survive and Israel blocked baby formula and other aid from entering. That’s not a personal issue, that’s a systemic failure caused by war policies.

Sharing his photo draws attention to how even the most vulnerable- babies with medical needs- are being failed. That’s not manipulation. That’s truth-telling.

@Tinycatnoise

"The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. "

I am curious as to why you only mentioned Israel on your post and failed to mention that Egypt is also refusing to allow aid to enter Gaza.

You mentioned in your post that "someone will claim antisemitism because of this post " but other than antisemitism and the point that the Egyptians are predominantly Muslim, is there any any other reason why you only blamed Israel for blocking aid into Gaza?

It’s Israel that has full control over nearly all crossings into Gaza, including Kerem Shalom (the main aid route), and they’ve taken over the Gaza side of Rafah too. Egypt was sending aid through Rafah until Israeli forces moved in and made coordination impossible.

Egypt has its faults, but at this point, most major human rights groups (Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, UN) have said that Israel is the main barrier to aid getting in. That’s why most people, including myself, are focused on them. It’s not about religion- it’s about power, control, and responsibility.

It's very, very sad that people are starving and suffering.

The part I find astounding is that ostensibly the following is happening.

Hamas are the government of Gaza. They are responsible more than any people on earth for the wellbeing of their citizens.

They started a war, took hostages, hid and continue to fire bombs and hold hostages.

They could end the war, or accept a ceasefire, any time they like but refuse to.

They not only don't help in any way with distributing or Coordinating food or supplies for their citizens, they actively steal it or kill people trying to get it.

And in fact the only presence at "governing" that they do, is making announcements from their "ministry of health" that basically only announces how many of their own people are dead and blames Israel for it.

And the BBC, UN and everyone else just goes along with blaming Israel.

You actually couldn't make it up.

www.instagram.com/p/DMm6AzCKy2j/

WARNING FROM MNHQ - distressing content.

In normal times, I would say a government is ultimately responsible for its own people. I think this is more complicated in war time. For example, Ukraine can try to protect its people but it’s slightly at the mercy of Russia’s military actions. That is why international law has war crimes - to ensure both sides act in a way that protects innocent people.

In Gaza, Hamas are responsible for a significant amount for the pain and suffering. They escalated a conflict that has been going on for a long time and committed horrible acts against innocent people. Israel had a right to retaliate and it is the retaliation that has garnered a lot of criticism because acts of war are different to war crimes.

The U.N., other international NGOs/charities etc aren’t just jumping in the bandwagon. They are looking at the evidence and accounts from more than just Hamas run agencies and are telling Israel that too many innocent people are dying because of their military decisions. Yes, Hamas’s tactics make this war complicated but if terrorists hide within a civilian population, you don’t just kill every one or bomb a shelter/hospital. You find another way. Otherwise you are no better than the enemy.

I find it equally challenging that people are so willing to ignore so much information to suit their narrative.

Whoa there, so nothing to do with the Palestinians electing Hamas, who’s Charter since 1987 has been to annihilate Israel, who had previously committed numerous terrorist attacks on Israelis including suicide bombing pizza parlours, nightclubs, and mass shootings and stabbings, and who immediately starting firing rockets into Israel!

Israel banned products according to whether they can be used for military purposes and whether they are considered humanitarian products.

If they hadn’t had to blockade Gaza, because the Palestinians knowingly elected a terrorist government, obviously this wouldn’t had been necessary.

TBH I can see why they banned tomato paste considering some of the obviously fake videos coming out of Gaza.

They missed a trick with not banning mobile phones though, didn’t they?

Oh look -

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1949502541898879254

https://x.com/YosephHaddad/status/1949528463100215738

Got any independent analysis of these stories being used by Hamas? its just random stuff on X, zero evidence value.

Any update on whether you'd use an NHS hospital, just in case it was staffed by Hamas Doctors?