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How is forced starvation allowed?

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Tinycatnoise · 23/07/2025 22:28

The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

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1dayatatime · 27/07/2025 14:49

@Alexandra2001

"Left wing lens??? You do realise that people across the political spectrum, here and in other countries are speaking out against the brutality the IDF is using in Gaza?
But no, it doesn't suit your right wing lens does it....

Once again we come back to "Hamas attacked first, we can then do as we want.... including using food aid as a weapon of war" when your cheerleader is Donald Trump, you can be sure you're in the wrong.
Even that ignores the fact the "conflict" started long before 7/10, though once again, the 'right like to forget about that.

People across the world can see that the Israeli govt is using Collective punishment on Gazans and hopefully the International Courts will call it what it is: War Crimes and the people responsible, inc Netanyahu in court."

Oh come on, you can and historically have done much better responses than this.

The reality is most of the pro Palestinian support in the West comes from the left wing. To say "but ahh there is some on the right supporting "
is a bit like saying in response to the statement that "sex offences are generally a male crime" - but hey there are some female sex offenders.

Also I never mentioned Trump
so I'm not sure about the relevance of your comment about Trump. The US has been supportive of Israel for decades and things would be no different if Kamala Harris was President and you know this. Besides it is not just the US that is strongly supportive of Israel, so are countries like Germany and India. But I guess this doesn't fit the left wing narrative so well as Trump as the bad bogeyman.

As for collective punishment- all wars involve punishment for the civilian population. From the allied bombing of Berlin to the recent Thai / Cambodia conflict. Equally economic sanctions also impose collective punishment- for example Turkey's complete trade ban with Israel directly impacts all Israeli civilians- is this also collective punishment?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 27/07/2025 14:49

When the images first came out the rhetoric on here was it's the UNs fault they're stockpiling aid and not distributing it. Now it's those kids are medically vulnerable you're all being manipulated. Those that can't see this pattern of propaganda need to wake up!

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 27/07/2025 14:50

Just in.

www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

Alexandra2001 · 27/07/2025 14:50

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 14:45

Baby milk formula is used for all babies isn't it, not specifically designed for disabled ones?

Some babies however need special milk formula because they can't digest normal milk formula.

I see no evidence that the IDF have specifically targeted disabled babies and children first as suggested by LL.

Here you go...
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/gaza-israel-doctor-baby-formula-video-b2795831.html

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html

Israel imposed a ban of several weeks on ALL food aid into Israel too, isn't that by its very nature going to affect the young the old and sick the most?

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 14:51

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 27/07/2025 14:43

Ah @Twiglets1 you sometimes reveal how little you know about things. There is always a percentage of aid looted in all humanitarian situations. That is a fact and agencies deal with it all the time. Israel claimed Hamas were intercepting large amounts of aid and selling it on and therefore needed to take over aid distribution with the GHF. UN have said less then 1% of their aid was been stolen which is lower than most other conflict zones so there was no issue and no evidence to support the need to change things. But some posters are still exaggerating the reality.

An analysis compiled by USAID officials examining more than 150 reported incidents involving the theft or loss of U.S.-funded humanitarian aid in the war-torn Gaza Strip says it failed to find any evidence that Hamas the militant rulers of the Palestinian enclave engaged in widespread diversion of assistance,

Edited to say I've no idea why there's a strike through some of the text not intentional

Edited

So (ignoring the insult because it's pathetic) according to your own source, USAID officials failed to find any evidence that Hamas engaged in widespread diversion of assistance.

That suggests they did find some, but it wasn't widespread.

At 14.07 today you said USAID, UN and other aid organisations have said there is no evidence Hamas were siphoning off aid

That is not what they actually said, as I pointed out above.

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 14:51

Alexandra2001 · 27/07/2025 14:50

Here you go...
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/gaza-israel-doctor-baby-formula-video-b2795831.html

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html

Israel imposed a ban of several weeks on ALL food aid into Israel too, isn't that by its very nature going to affect the young the old and sick the most?

I'd love to hear someone who says that Israel isn't targeting babies explain why they think formula is being taken from the suitcases of Drs.

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 14:53

Alexandra2001 · 27/07/2025 14:50

Here you go...
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/gaza-israel-doctor-baby-formula-video-b2795831.html

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html

Israel imposed a ban of several weeks on ALL food aid into Israel too, isn't that by its very nature going to affect the young the old and sick the most?

Yes - I'm not denying that Israel banned food aid into Israel, including baby formula.

What I'm denying is that the IDF deliberately targeted disabled babies.

SummerFeverVenice · 27/07/2025 14:55

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 27/07/2025 14:43

Ah @Twiglets1 you sometimes reveal how little you know about things. There is always a percentage of aid looted in all humanitarian situations. That is a fact and agencies deal with it all the time. Israel claimed Hamas were intercepting large amounts of aid and selling it on and therefore needed to take over aid distribution with the GHF. UN have said less then 1% of their aid was been stolen which is lower than most other conflict zones so there was no issue and no evidence to support the need to change things. But some posters are still exaggerating the reality.

An analysis compiled by USAID officials examining more than 150 reported incidents involving the theft or loss of U.S.-funded humanitarian aid in the war-torn Gaza Strip says it failed to find any evidence that Hamas the militant rulers of the Palestinian enclave engaged in widespread diversion of assistance,

Edited to say I've no idea why there's a strike through some of the text not intentional

Edited

I wonder how much of the looted aid was looted by the Popular Forces (criminal gang) led by Yasser Abu Shabab after being “activated” by Israel as publicly admitted by Netanyahu early in June 2025.

hotchocfiend · 27/07/2025 14:55

kirinm · 27/07/2025 14:42

I’m never not astounding by the rampant denial on these boards. The absolute refusal to condemn Israel despite most of the world now recognising what they’re doing.

I shall never understand it and will always judge those people who do it as immoral.

The people on these threads day in day out are sadly totally brainwashed and/or unable to engage in critical thinking. No amount of cold hard evidence or appealing to their compassion / common sense works. I think it best ignored since “debate” is what they want. There is no debate during genocide.

smallglassbottle · 27/07/2025 14:55

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 14:28

Israel targeting disabled babies and children first. How very brave of them. Aid organisations warned of this exactly months ago that the most vulnerable in society were the ones who would suffer first. The very young, the sick, the disabled and Israel carried on anyway. It's sick.

There must be some sort of hunger hierarchy going on in some minds. The ones who have starved to death first don't matter because they had 'underlying health conditions'. Who's next? Babies? They don't matter because they're new and shouldn't have even been conceived in war - according to a poster on this board - yes, hunger hierarchy. I suppose men are at the top of course. When they start to die then perhaps it'll be recognised as legit starvation.

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 14:55

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 14:51

I'd love to hear someone who says that Israel isn't targeting babies explain why they think formula is being taken from the suitcases of Drs.

Edited

You specifically said "disabled babies" before didn't you? Now it's just "babies".

Have you changed your mind that the IDF specifically targeted disabled babies?

The story about formula being taken from the suitcases of Drs is a new one on me ... care to provide the source?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 27/07/2025 14:57

@Alexandra2001 I completely agree that banning food (including baby formula) for weeks disproportionately harms babies and amounts to targeting them.

Alexandra2001 · 27/07/2025 14:58

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 14:53

Yes - I'm not denying that Israel banned food aid into Israel, including baby formula.

What I'm denying is that the IDF deliberately targeted disabled babies.

So why take the formula from Doctors? many Doctors have said exactly the same thing, so its clearly a policy rather than some poor conscript getting formula for his new born

Sorry but you re tying yourself in knots trying to deny this.

I've given you the sources, so why ask for them?

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 14:58

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 14:55

You specifically said "disabled babies" before didn't you? Now it's just "babies".

Have you changed your mind that the IDF specifically targeted disabled babies?

The story about formula being taken from the suitcases of Drs is a new one on me ... care to provide the source?

Yes, i stand by disabled babies being targeted first with their policies as aid agencies had said will happen.

I'm saying that Israel taking formula from Dr's suitcase is targeting babies, all babies. Who else drinks formula? Hamas?

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 15:00

smallglassbottle · 27/07/2025 14:55

There must be some sort of hunger hierarchy going on in some minds. The ones who have starved to death first don't matter because they had 'underlying health conditions'. Who's next? Babies? They don't matter because they're new and shouldn't have even been conceived in war - according to a poster on this board - yes, hunger hierarchy. I suppose men are at the top of course. When they start to die then perhaps it'll be recognised as legit starvation.

No I think the hunger hierarchy is in your mind if you think there is any reason for the IDF to target disabled babies first then babies then children then women then men.

Any minds that find that a likely proposition must be dark indeed. Isn't it more likely that it's just that babies and children are more likely to be negatively affected by food shortages than they are actively targeted?

Anonimummy · 27/07/2025 15:00

SharonEllis · 27/07/2025 13:18

Article on the image we have seen across the media all week. Obviously I've had to cut the images to post it.

The Truth Behind the Viral Gazan Famine Photo
This isn’t the face of famine. It’s the face of a medically vulnerable child whose suffering was hijacked and weaponised – first by Hamas, then by global media.
The Image that Lied
Unless you have been hiding under a rock all week, you would have seen the viral images of Mohammed, the child victim of the Gazan ‘famine’. The image used by most of these outlets was licensed to Anadolou a Turkish state-run news agency headquartered in Ankara. The photos were taken by the Gaza-based photographer, Ahmed Jihad Ibrahim Al-arini, and uploaded to his Instagram account on 22nd July – a day before the Express splashed it across their front page. But in fact another Gazan based account, Saeed Mohammed had shared similar images even earlier.
The global frenzy began on 23 July 2025, when the Daily Express ran the image of Mohammed on its front page. The article uses the image of Mohammed to promote the narrative of a mass famine in Gaza.
Within hours, almost every major outlet was using the image to tell the same story. Sky News, CNN, The Guardian, Daily Mail, NYT and The Times – they all ran with it, reinforcing the message: Gaza is gripped by mass starvation, and this image is the proof:
Except this image proves none of it. Wider and unpublished pictures show Mohammed’s healthy brother Joud, who was born on 18 April 2022 and is 3 years old. Mohammed was born on 23 December 2023, just two months after October 7.
What we can see from the pictures is that both Mohammed’s mother and his older brother, look healthy and are not suffering from any type of starvation that would be necessary to cause the thinness suffered by Mohammed. This is visible in multiple images we have in our possession. The published images in all the various news broadcasts and publications have either been deliberately cropped to remove the image of the healthy brother, blurred him into obscurity, or the journalists have only chosen to use photos in which the brother is not visible at all.
The Truth about Mohammed
Muhammad Zakariya Ayyoub al-Matouq /Mutawwaq (was born with serious genetic disorders. He has needed specialist medical supplements since birth. Like previous examples of the media using ‘starving children’ going back to summer 2024– the image is of a child suffering underlying (and hidden) health issues.
A medical report issued in May 2025 by the Basma Association for Relief in Gaza states that Mohammed, has been diagnosed with cerebral palsy– a group of neurological disorders affecting movement, muscle tone, and posture. The report notes that Mohammed suffers from hypoxemia (low oxygen in the blood), possibly linked to a suspected genetic disorder inherited in an autosomal recessive pattern.
There is no argument here. I have seen a copy of this report (but obviously won’t produce in full here a child’s medical diagnosis). It was signed by Dr Saeed Mohammed Al Nassan on 20th May 2025:
This revelation raises serious issues of media integrity. The Daily Express picked up a viral image circulating online and published it without verification or context – a textbook example of clickbait journalism, where emotional impact is prioritised over everything else.
The BBC – as per usual went a step further. The BBC spoke to his mother, Huda Yassin Al-Matouq / Mutawwaq – and produced a 64 second interview that somehow failed to disclose that Mohammed was a child born with genetic problems and complex medical dependencies. Even in the BBC video, the mother alludes to this – referencing a prolonged struggle, including physiotherapy sessions that had helped him stand. The curvature of the spine another key clue tying the child to a CP diagnosis. But the BBC narrator never addresses this – leaving the audience to believe the heartbreaking physical condition we are seeing is the result of widespread famine.
This is not journalism. This is the UK’s state media deliberately pushing a deceptive narrative that only serves to benefit Hamas and create fake news.
How Mohammed’s Father Was Used to Paint a Narrative
The story being told through legacy media outlets such as the NYT is that Mohammed’s father was killed while going out to collect food. Again, to underline the Gaza hunger tragedy narrative.
This has been reported without any attempt at verification. From the death certificate I can see the father Zakaria Ayoub Al-Matouq / Mutawwaq (زكريا أيوب المطوق) was killed on 28 October 2024:
From online sources it turns out that Mohammed’s father, was killed in Jabalia, in what appears to be a targeted strike on ‘al Qassabeeb’ street.
We can also see that Hamas were attacking the IDF in precisely that spot at the time.
Between the 25th October and the 29th, Israel lost six soldiers n the area. In this Hamas footage, which shows wide angle views of part of the same ‘street’ on 26th October, it is not possible to see exactly where Mohammed’s father would have been looking for food:

Whether or not he was armed, Mohammed’s father died on a battlefield where Hamas was actively attacking Israeli forces. Whatever the truth about ‘looking for food’, Hamas bears responsibility for bringing the conflict to that street and the media ignored this context entirely.
A Personal Note
Digging for the truth behind images like this is not easy. We’re dealing with a live war zone – real people, real pain, and tragic situations like Mohammed’s. These kinds of personal tragedies happen in every war, in every era.
What is unique – and toxic – is how images of the tragic consequences of urban warfare are being weaponised to build false global narratives. In this case, the lie is of a Gaza gripped by mass famine and children dying from hunger.
And here’s the bitter truth: I shouldn’t have to do this. It shouldn’t fall on me to call out the world’s biggest media outlets for their failure to act like journalists. Why are almost all of them functioning as Hamas’ useful idiots, amplifying propaganda with no effort to verify the facts? Is it really too much to expect them to do their jobs?
There’s another layer of cynicism here. From everything I’ve learned, Mohammed’s mother is simply trying to find help for her child. She’s not hiding the truth. She tells the full story to anyone who asks. Yet every journalist who has spoken to her has made the same cynical decision: ignore the medical reality, strip the context, and turn her child into a propaganda weapon. No one is trying to help. No one is interested in telling the truth. All they seem to ask is: “How can this image hurt Israel?” — and they build their coverage around that.
Hamas, the UN and the Aid Deception
Which brings us to the famine narrative.
Time and again, the most widely circulated images of ‘starving children’ in Gaza have turned out to involve children with serious underlying medical conditions. The images are heartbreaking, yes – but we must stay grounded. This is a war zone, and Hamas is actively using the civilian population as pawns in a global propaganda campaign.
Let’s be clear: Hamas cannot afford to lose control over aid distribution – not if it intends to remain the ruling power in post-war Gaza. Channeling or controlling aid has always been one of the terrorist group’s most reliable sources of income. That’s why it has been essential for Hamas to discredit the US-Israeli GHF aid program and portray it as a failure. This has included an almost daily pantomime of unverified claims that hundreds have been killed in Israeli attacks while queuing for aid. Yet in the most documented conflict zone in history, credible video evidence remains conspicuously absent = despite claims of daily occurrences
Worse still, UN agencies and international NGOs operating in Gaza are riddled with staff affiliated with terrorist groups. Whenever Hamas comes under pressure, these agencies issue carefully timed statements and take actions that conveniently align with Hamas’s strategic goals. Which are then amplified by the army of anti-Israel activists embedded in legacy media. We saw this during the ‘All eyes on Rafah' campaign in early 2024 when the IDF closed in on key leadership and hostages located there. The famine narrative is just the latest act in the play.
There is plenty of publicly available information showing that significant quantities of food are entering Gaza. But with local media firmly under the control of Hamas, none of this gets reported.
Instead of helping facilitate aid delivery, UN agencies have imposed impossible conditions, stalling convoys and leaving hundreds of trucks abandoned – their contents rotting just a short distance from those in need. At times, the UN has even insisted that Hamas be allowed to protect aid workers, effectively demanding that the terror group retain access to and control over humanitarian supplies. Only recently, under mounting international scrutiny, has the UN begun to slightly shift course.
Let’s call this what it is: The UN, UNRWA and other NGOs are not prioritising the safety of Palestinian civilians or indeed getting aid to a population they maintain are in desperate and immediate need of food. Instead it seems, they are prioritising a political agenda that aligns with – and thus ensures – the survival of Hamas. They’re not neutral. They’re enablers
Media Failing and a Moral Collapse
The UN aid agencies won’t deliver aid – the journalists won’t do their jobs.
In a propaganda war this calculated and brutal, it was vital that our media act as a check on the lies. Not just for Israel’s sake, but for the Palestinian civilians caught in the middle.
When legacy media outlets become mouthpieces for radical Islamist groups — out of ideology, ignorance, or cowardice — it isn’t just a journalistic collapse – it’s a moral disgrace.

David Collier
The original article is extensively linked on Collier's website

Wow, I hadn’t got to your post before posting mine this afternoon. Just reading a few responses on here and getting more incensed with the same bullshit propaganda before I posted my links.

I guess it probably is unreasonable for people to believe a democratic country who doesn’t use its citizens as human sacrifices, who runs a successful economy and is a world leader in innovation in tech, agriculture, medicine, science, a people known for receiving a disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes, who most Western countries rely on for intelligence services and military expertise, who has never actually started a war in their history,

as opposed to

a terrorist group who publicly states it wants as many of its own people to die in a religious war against its neighbours as possible which it starts again and again, who constantly fires rockets at its neighbours then moans that they have to implement security measures to protect their citizens, who totally relies on and steals aid, tortures and murders its own people who dissent, has no economy and destroyed what it was left to start one with, who’s people are known for terrorism more than anything else………..

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 15:01

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 14:53

Yes - I'm not denying that Israel banned food aid into Israel, including baby formula.

What I'm denying is that the IDF deliberately targeted disabled babies.

I honest to god can't believe you are tying yourself in knots over babies vs disabled babies. It's both. Disabled babies as some posters here have gleefully pointed out are the ones dying first. Then all babies who need formula will die. Is that clear enough for you.

You admit yourself Israel denied the entry of formula. That is Israel deliberately targeting Palestinian babies. That's really disgusting right?

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 15:02

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 14:58

Yes, i stand by disabled babies being targeted first with their policies as aid agencies had said will happen.

I'm saying that Israel taking formula from Dr's suitcase is targeting babies, all babies. Who else drinks formula? Hamas?

All babies drink formula if they aren't breastfed, not just disabled ones. Which aid agencies said the IDF would target disabled babies first? None of them.

Still waiting for a source for Israel taking formula from a Dr's suitcase?

Alexandra2001 · 27/07/2025 15:03

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 15:00

No I think the hunger hierarchy is in your mind if you think there is any reason for the IDF to target disabled babies first then babies then children then women then men.

Any minds that find that a likely proposition must be dark indeed. Isn't it more likely that it's just that babies and children are more likely to be negatively affected by food shortages than they are actively targeted?

So the Doc's are yet another group in league with Hamas and they are lying about IDF taking the formula from them as they enter a Hospital?

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 15:03

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 15:00

No I think the hunger hierarchy is in your mind if you think there is any reason for the IDF to target disabled babies first then babies then children then women then men.

Any minds that find that a likely proposition must be dark indeed. Isn't it more likely that it's just that babies and children are more likely to be negatively affected by food shortages than they are actively targeted?

Because they die first. Can you not see that? Babies with extra needs will die first. Israel know that these babies will die first. Aid agencies told them that these babies would die first. Now they are dying and people are saying oh but look they have extra needs so it's not really starvation is it?

Do you even know what you are defending anymore?

Anonimummy · 27/07/2025 15:04

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 27/07/2025 14:57

@Alexandra2001 I completely agree that banning food (including baby formula) for weeks disproportionately harms babies and amounts to targeting them.

Where’s the evidence for this?

LipstickLessons · 27/07/2025 15:05

Twiglets1 · 27/07/2025 15:02

All babies drink formula if they aren't breastfed, not just disabled ones. Which aid agencies said the IDF would target disabled babies first? None of them.

Still waiting for a source for Israel taking formula from a Dr's suitcase?

Again. They die first. That's just what happens. The weakest die first. I honestly can't believe I am having this conversation. If you have a healthy baby and a sick baby and both can't get proper nutrition does it take some kind of genius to work out who will most likely die first? Reading here you would think it does.

Alexandra2001 · 27/07/2025 15:06

Anonimummy · 27/07/2025 15:04

Where’s the evidence for this?

I ve posted two sources for this, just a few posts ago, maybe have a look? or follow the thread?

SharonEllis · 27/07/2025 15:06

Anonimummy · 27/07/2025 15:00

Wow, I hadn’t got to your post before posting mine this afternoon. Just reading a few responses on here and getting more incensed with the same bullshit propaganda before I posted my links.

I guess it probably is unreasonable for people to believe a democratic country who doesn’t use its citizens as human sacrifices, who runs a successful economy and is a world leader in innovation in tech, agriculture, medicine, science, a people known for receiving a disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes, who most Western countries rely on for intelligence services and military expertise, who has never actually started a war in their history,

as opposed to

a terrorist group who publicly states it wants as many of its own people to die in a religious war against its neighbours as possible which it starts again and again, who constantly fires rockets at its neighbours then moans that they have to implement security measures to protect their citizens, who totally relies on and steals aid, tortures and murders its own people who dissent, has no economy and destroyed what it was left to start one with, who’s people are known for terrorism more than anything else………..

This thread is appalling. Its very strange how just trying to distangle truth from fiction leads to such vitriol. How buying into Hamas's barbaric propaganda machine benefits the poor people of Gaza I will never know.

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