How is forced starvation allowed?

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The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

Stop repeating Israeli propaganda. USAID, UN and other aid organisations have said there is no evidence Hamas were siphoning off aid

Of course people need things spelling out. Its called evidence. If you don't need things spelling out you are relying on blind faith.

A boy with cerebral palsy does not represent the whole population.

Talking of evidence, I don't think even Hamas has said 'everyone' is starving! Who says everyone is starving?

How do you have a meaningful discussion when this is the sort of response you recieve? You both knew full well that I meant the population isn't receiving the food it needs. There is plenty of evidence out there that the people of Gaza are not receiving the resources they need to survive.

Oh good, we are back to "Hamas did evil things so we should do evil things back to the general population too"

UN and NGO's all complicit in lying too us.... tbh in your mind Trumps Gaza is already here and we are concerned about nothing at all.....

I don't believe Hamas, i believe trusted, regulated news outlets and internationally acclaimed journalists, who go to huge amounts of trouble to verify stories coming out of Gaza.

When there are so many stories coming out of Gaza that match the images we see, that are corroborated by UK medics who have been there, supported by US and former IDF soldiers and contractors.....

Yet still you and others doubt... and dismiss with a casual wave of the hand.

No doubt if the international courts decide the IDF and Israeli Govt are guilty of war crimes, you'll dismiss that too.

Words matter. Starving is a meaningful and highly emotive word. You're right its impossible to have a conversation with someone who you can't trust to use words even vaguely accurately.

Why are you completely ignoring the issue that children with medical conditions are not typical of children in Gaza generally?

Why keep asking how many would I accept apart from an attempt to villainise me? It's not under my control. I wouldn't accept any deaths if I had control.

It's completely different from Michael Buerks piece from Ethiopia. He wasn't taking a photo of a child with a serious medical condition and pretending that he was a normal healthy child before the crisis.

I believe the population is starving. Do you have evidence to show that they are not?

No what they said is that there is no evidence that Hamas were regularly siphoning off aid, not that it never happened.

Israel targeting disabled babies and children first. How very brave of them. Aid organisations warned of this exactly months ago that the most vulnerable in society were the ones who would suffer first. The very young, the sick, the disabled and Israel carried on anyway. It's sick.

Frankly whether Hamas steals aid or not is pretty low on my priory list now. Not because I think it's ok for them to do so, but because even if some gets stolen, most isn't, and feeding the people is more important. Overall the greater good is served by letting it in.

Not that there's evidence of it being a serious issue anyway.

They aren't targeting disabled babies and children first. How would they even do that? Ask Gazan families to identify their babies and children with hidden disabilities like poor Mohammed so they can make sure they have no access to the food that the other members of their family can eat?

It's the fact that disabled babies and children are more vulnerable and may have specific dietary requirements that make them more likely to suffer in an environment with food shortages. But not because they are being specifically "targeted."

Starving? who cares? they deserve it, thats pretty much what a few posters on here believe.

Phrases like "Starving? thats an emotive word..." show the contempt they hold all Gazans in.

Why are you completely ignoring the issue that children with medical conditions are not typical of children in Gaza generally

33 children have died of starvation do they all have medical conditions? I don't know do you? How do you know that other "typical" children in Gaza are not starving? What are you basing this on? David colliers article? There is enough evidence from medical professionals in Gaza who are saying the children they are seeing are malnourished and when they get to this stage they need proper medical intervention to keep them alive. I know my vulnerable child was malnourished as a baby I know what nedds to be done to prevent them from dying and I know the children in Gaza won't get that treatment.
Why keep asking how many would I accept apart from an attempt to villainise me? It's not under my control. I wouldn't accept any deaths if I had control.
So why are you taking such an issue with the images being used to get more aid into Gaza?
It's completely different from Michael Buerks piece from Ethiopia. He wasn't taking a photo of a child with a serious medical condition and pretending that he was a normal healthy child before the crisis.
Fgs you are focusing on one image there has been plenty, C4 did a piece yesterday of different children all skin and bone and their parents too.

I mean how dare we use such an emotive word because that's the issue.

I think it is a serious issue if Hamas were stealing aid to sell it thus making money from that income stream.

Some disagreement over the extent to which they were doing this.

Overall, I agree that feeding the people is the more important than worrying about Hamas stealing it (though I understand why the IDF considered it a problem if it was making Hamas richer).

They absolutely are. If they weren't clever enough to work it out for themselves many, many aid organisations told them and us that Israel denying aid to the strip would result in the deaths of the most vulnerable in society first.

Now if you know this and you do it anyway then of course you are targeting them. They knew exactly what would happen, what has happened and they chose to do it anyway.

I doubt they all had medical conditions but Mohammed has and he is the boy being used by the media for propaganda purposes isn't he? Why are you trying to avoid talking about him?

Yes it is, IDF just stopped a boat loaded with baby food, they have stopped lorries and made them unload 'Formula.

The IDF could have let this boat through, escorted the food supplies to the few hospitals left but no, it'll be tied up on a quayside, food left to rot.

But you don't believe any of this has happened & all the eye witnesses statements in the world wont change your opinion.

Published by NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html?smid=re-share&unlocked_article_code=1.ZU8.zR1x.cpLjibz4NtZ0

I’m never not astounding by the rampant denial on these boards. The absolute refusal to condemn Israel despite most of the world now recognising what they’re doing.

I shall never understand it and will always judge those people who do it as immoral.

There seems to be a consistent theme in this. Israel announces something horrific, aid agencies say this isn't going to work, trust us we are professionals we know what will happen. Israel and their supporters go well let's give it a go anyway, let's give Israel the benefit of the doubt. Bad thing that aid agencies told them would happen happens. Shocked faces all around and lots of well Israel didn't intend for that to happen, it was just a side effect, who could have guessed, why do people always jump to thinking the worst of Israel.

Ah @Twiglets1 you sometimes reveal how little you know about things. There is always a percentage of aid looted in all humanitarian situations. That is a fact and agencies deal with it all the time. Israel claimed Hamas were intercepting large amounts of aid and selling it on and therefore needed to take over aid distribution with the GHF. UN have said less then 1% of their aid was been stolen which is lower than most other conflict zones so there was no issue and no evidence to support the need to change things. But some posters are still exaggerating the reality.

An analysis compiled by USAID officials examining more than 150 reported incidents involving the theft or loss of U.S.-funded humanitarian aid in the war-torn Gaza Strip says it failed to find any evidence that Hamas the militant rulers of the Palestinian enclave engaged in widespread diversion of assistance,

Edited to say I've no idea why there's a strike through some of the text not intentional

Baby milk formula is used for all babies isn't it, not specifically designed for disabled ones?

Some babies however need special milk formula because they can't digest normal milk formula.

I see no evidence that the IDF have specifically targeted disabled babies and children first as suggested by LL.

Being used for propaganda purposes or being used to wake the world up so more children don't die. You are acting as if this tactic is something new. No it's not unfortunately some people need to see the gruesome pictures to believe it and some still don't believe it even when they've sent the pictures and just try to discredit them.

So if you are told what you are doing will kill the most vulnerable in society first, then you do it anyway you still aren't targeting them because them dying is just a known, predictable side effect of what you are doing and not the overall aim of your operation?