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To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force

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ArtfulGoldWriter · 23/07/2025 20:03

Seriously, when even the Daily Express are even calling mass forced starvation and putting pictures like this on their front pages.

Surely the UN could act as a peacekeeping force and stop this insanity?

Its obscene.

To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force
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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 22:46

User37482 · 23/07/2025 22:34

Nah, theres no way any decent parent feeds themselves and not their child. These kids clearly need medical aid but food is quite obviously not the problem.

I would say I’ve seen some very skinny looking gazans and some who are very well rounded. There is a problem with even distribution and it’s been going on for a long time, probably because those with connections are getting food whilst those without have to buy food that’s supposed to be free off Hamas. I saw a particularly stupid tweet where journalists in gaza were saying they were so hungry that they were drinking salt water and one of the the journalists was obese. Also saw a tweet where some poor man was trying to buy food that’s supposed was supposed to be aid and the seller was charging extortionate prices. If you are not hamas aligned you aren’t going to get food.

This is a cruel and ignorant take.

No parent chooses to eat while their child starves- what a disgusting thing to suggest when children are literally dying of hunger. Over 100 children have already died from starvation in Gaza, and 30,000 more under-fives are acutely malnourished. These aren’t rumours, they’re verified by the UN, WHO, and UNICEF.

And no, this isn’t just about “distribution.” People are being shot dead trying to reach aid trucks. Over 1,000 civilians have been killed at aid points. Food isn’t “available if you’re Hamas-aligned”- there isn’t enough food full stop, because Israel is blocking it, bombing infrastructure, and letting people starve.

Quoting the body size of a journalist as “proof” no one’s hungry? That’s not an argument. Malnutrition doesn’t mean everyone looks skeletal, especially not adults. But babies do die first- and they are.

If you care more about scoring points than stopping starvation, just say that- but don’t pretend you’re being rational or informed.

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/famine-like-conditions-and-child-deaths-gaza

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/israel-gaza-starvation-humanitarian-groups-letter
https://apnews.com/article/1d1cfef28bc593adac2c2a0e432cfc97

https://www.who.int/news/item/19-02-2024-children-s-lives-threatened-by-rising-
malnutrition-in-the-gaza-strip

https://www.ft.com/content/acb6116e-18cb-4af4-9eee-1c005869ef70

Gaza suffering man-made mass starvation, says WHO chief

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus issues warning, as more than 100 aid groups urge Israel to ease blockade

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/israel-gaza-starvation-humanitarian-groups-letter

Martymcfly24 · 23/07/2025 22:46

User37482 · 23/07/2025 22:45

I actually do think there are quite a few anti-semitic posters here. Israel is not uniquely bad. I mean Hamas literally hammered nails into women’s genitalia and cut off breasts. They are foul, anyone defending them is depraved imo. This was just pure terrorism, I can’t sympathise with anyone who is a member of Hamas or supports their actions.

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Would you criticize France or Italy for starving and entire nation and putting it into famine?

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 22:46

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DickAhOn · 23/07/2025 22:47

LipstickLessons · 23/07/2025 22:40

In 2024 Hamas took 0 UN workers hostage. Israel killed 126 UN workers.

Hamas prefers to shoot their own people for being "collaborators" or just PA.
They are terrorists to their own people too.
How anyone can justify or support them is just nuts - even if only for what they have done to the Palestinian people (with the support of Iran who will fight Israel to the last arab)

ArtfulGoldWriter · 23/07/2025 22:48

User37482 · 23/07/2025 22:45

I actually do think there are quite a few anti-semitic posters here. Israel is not uniquely bad. I mean Hamas literally hammered nails into women’s genitalia and cut off breasts. They are foul, anyone defending them is depraved imo. This was just pure terrorism, I can’t sympathise with anyone who is a member of Hamas or supports their actions.

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Yes- and I think some of us are trying to make a clear distinction between starving children in Gaza and Hamas.

Whereas there are also posters labelling all Palestinians as Hamas which is fundamentally wrong and dangerous territory.

Hamas are a terrorist org and I have been clear on that.

NONE of it justifies starving children.

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Everexpanding · 23/07/2025 22:48

Gloriia · 23/07/2025 22:41

We've seen it! Hamas folk laughing and waving their fake press vests.

It's hamas who block the trucks, or keep it for themselves.

This is a lie, stop lying

Martymcfly24 · 23/07/2025 22:49

Everexpanding · 23/07/2025 22:48

This is a lie, stop lying

Oh it's not @Everexpanding they are going to post the verified link in a minute.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 22:49

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 21:35

What makes me sad was i was watching videos of isaraeli people on youtube. A palestinian man talks to lots of them on omegle.

The things the israelis come out with are shocking. On the videos , They said things like "i want all palestinians to die". "Palestinians are animals not human so it doesnt matter if they die". And "It is okay for children should be killed because some are terrorists"

They are absolutely out of control with cruelty

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I’ve also seen these- and most of the Israeli people in them are so young! They’ve been brought up to hate Palestinians.

ssd · 23/07/2025 22:49

They cant stop lying, its all they have left.

Bubblegumicecreamm · 23/07/2025 22:50

ohfook · 23/07/2025 22:42

The world is to blame. We saw so clearly after the treaty of Versailles that if you treat a group of people like shit and try to beat them down, they will support someone who claims to have their best interests at heart even if on a global scale it’s clearly a horrendous idea. We’ve seen this happen time and time again when ordinary Germans voted for Hitler because they believed he would make Germany great again right up to the present day when some Palestinians (I’m pretty sure it’s only about 7% of Palestinians alive today who voted for them) support Hamas because they believe they’ll get them out of this state. It’s human nature not some massive gotcha. I know for a fact if I was living in Germany in the 1930s or Gaza now I’d vote for whoever made it most likely that I could feed my kids.

I understand the desperation when it comes to protecting loved ones. It’s the same reason Isreal reacting to Oct, it’s the same reason the families of the hostages want their loved ones back. When there has been such a back and forth how do you suppose to separate the righteous when there are bereaved on both sides? Retribution is not answer, Hamas are not the Palestinians answer. The current Israeli strategy is not the answer.

PaxAeterna · 23/07/2025 22:50

ArtfulGoldWriter · 23/07/2025 22:41

It’s also just a terrible excuse.

“Oh sorry we blew up that school, it was a Hamas operations centre”

”Oh sorry we shot that 6 year old girl 30 times, we thought she was a Hamas operative”

This interview just took the biscuit for me

https://www.channel4.com/news/most-doctors-in-most-gaza-hospitals-involved-in-terrorist-activities-says-israel-special-envoy

Israel is laughing at its allies.

Most doctors in most Gaza hospitals involved in ‘terrorist activities’ says Israel Special Envoy

We spoke to Fleur Hassan-Nahoum, who's Israel’s Special Envoy for Trade and Innovation.

https://www.channel4.com/news/most-doctors-in-most-gaza-hospitals-involved-in-terrorist-activities-says-israel-special-envoy

User37482 · 23/07/2025 22:51

ArtfulGoldWriter · 23/07/2025 22:41

It’s also just a terrible excuse.

“Oh sorry we blew up that school, it was a Hamas operations centre”

”Oh sorry we shot that 6 year old girl 30 times, we thought she was a Hamas operative”

No really I mean there is plenty of evidence of Hamas using hospitals and schools. The other week they killed a clan member, the clan basically went straight to the local hospital in Khan Younis and kicked off there, there was quite a bit of destruction. hamas do it specifically because it’s a great propaganda tool and b)they like using human shields. All of this is well known so I’m not sure if you are denying it’s the case or denying that it matters whether they are or not because you support their use of civilians as shields.

Also it does matter if actual journalists who are reporting actual things are being murdered. A hamas “journalist” had one of the bloody hostages in their house.

Gloriia · 23/07/2025 22:53

'A hamas “journalist” had one of the bloody hostages in their house'

This! Can't believe a pp said the IDF were killing innocent journos 🙄.

User37482 · 23/07/2025 22:53

ArtfulGoldWriter · 23/07/2025 22:48

Yes- and I think some of us are trying to make a clear distinction between starving children in Gaza and Hamas.

Whereas there are also posters labelling all Palestinians as Hamas which is fundamentally wrong and dangerous territory.

Hamas are a terrorist org and I have been clear on that.

NONE of it justifies starving children.

No I absolutely agree with you, not all Palestinians are hamas and conflating the two groups is not ok. i follow anti-hamas Palestinians on twitter, they exist.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 22:53

Gloriia · 23/07/2025 21:44

Of course it does but not to the extent that are being exploited with their pics in the papers, they clearly have underlying genetic or medical issues.

Did we see the pics of hamas having lovely feasts? They need to to let the gazans get the aid.

That claim about “underlying genetic or medical issues” is completely unfounded and dangerous. The overwhelming consensus from health professionals, UNICEF, WHO, and Gaza’s own health ministry is that children are dying due to starvation and lack of medical care caused by the blockade and siege. This isn’t about isolated cases- its a widespread humanitarian crisis.

As for the “Hamas feasting” narrative, that’s been thoroughly debunked by independent journalists and aid organizations. Ordinary Gazans are suffering enormously, and aid is being deliberately blocked or destroyed. The focus needs to be on pushing for unhindered humanitarian aid and ending the violence, not smearing innocent victims or spreading conspiracy theories.

If you want to understand what’s really happening, I recommend reading these reports:

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/famine-like-conditions-and-child-deaths-gaza

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/israel-gaza-starvation-humanitarian-groups-letter

https://apnews.com/article/1d1cfef28bc593adac2c2a0e432cfc97

Gaza suffering man-made mass starvation, says WHO chief

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus issues warning, as more than 100 aid groups urge Israel to ease blockade

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/israel-gaza-starvation-humanitarian-groups-letter

LipstickLessons · 23/07/2025 22:53

DickAhOn · 23/07/2025 22:47

Hamas prefers to shoot their own people for being "collaborators" or just PA.
They are terrorists to their own people too.
How anyone can justify or support them is just nuts - even if only for what they have done to the Palestinian people (with the support of Iran who will fight Israel to the last arab)

I'm not supporting them. I pointing out that claims Hamas would kidnap UN workers don't stand up to scrutiny. The biggest risk to them clearly is the IDF. Let's operate in reality here. The reality is Hamas are awful but claims that they would kidnap UN workers just aren't true are they or they would have kidnapped UN workers.

LipstickLessons · 23/07/2025 22:54

User37482 · 23/07/2025 22:51

No really I mean there is plenty of evidence of Hamas using hospitals and schools. The other week they killed a clan member, the clan basically went straight to the local hospital in Khan Younis and kicked off there, there was quite a bit of destruction. hamas do it specifically because it’s a great propaganda tool and b)they like using human shields. All of this is well known so I’m not sure if you are denying it’s the case or denying that it matters whether they are or not because you support their use of civilians as shields.

Also it does matter if actual journalists who are reporting actual things are being murdered. A hamas “journalist” had one of the bloody hostages in their house.

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Does this justify starving kids?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 22:55

User37482 · 23/07/2025 22:51

No really I mean there is plenty of evidence of Hamas using hospitals and schools. The other week they killed a clan member, the clan basically went straight to the local hospital in Khan Younis and kicked off there, there was quite a bit of destruction. hamas do it specifically because it’s a great propaganda tool and b)they like using human shields. All of this is well known so I’m not sure if you are denying it’s the case or denying that it matters whether they are or not because you support their use of civilians as shields.

Also it does matter if actual journalists who are reporting actual things are being murdered. A hamas “journalist” had one of the bloody hostages in their house.

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That still doesn’t justify absolutely flattening everything and starving a population of 2 million people!

SigmundinaCafe · 23/07/2025 22:55

ohfook · 23/07/2025 22:27

@Flumpflimpo I’m happy to be corrected here because my understanding of the issue is not complete but after ww2 Britain and the US were instrumental in annexing the land that Isreal is on now and setting up Isreal as we now know it - essentially a safe haven for Jews after the horrors of the war. So we essentially hung our hat on supporting Isreal and let Palestinians pay the price for Germany’s actions. A huge amount of our support of Isreal is based on not questioning our actions in 1948.

My own personal belief is that while I understand the need was there for Jewish people to have a homeland. I’m not sure what cost I think is acceptable. Certainly not the deaths of all of these children. Hindsight is of course a wonderful thing to have in an incredibly complex geo-political situation and i genuinely don’t know how it should have been done instead. I know a lot of people believe the US essentially wanted to set up a stronghold in the Middle East which is why they support Isreal - I do t know enough about US politics though to have an opinion on that either way.

@ohfook

No, at best this is an oversimplification and, at worst, a myth. The idea that Israel was created because of the Holocaust is simply not true. It ignores the 50 years of Zionist efforts that preceded it. The Holocaust didn’t create the State of Israel—it just made the price of not having one unbearable.

Zionism as a political movement began in the late 19th century, particularly after the publication of Theodor Herzl’s Der Judenstaat in 1896.

Then by the time WWII started, Jewish immigration to Palestine, the establishment of Jewish institutions, defence organisations, and settlements were already underway. Jews had created a quasi-state infrastructure: schools, a health system, political parties, and the Jewish Agency.

Also, in 1917 the Balfour Declaration acknowledged support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine—decades before the Holocaust. And The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine (1922) also recognised Jewish national rights.

The holocaust might have underscored the urgency of Jewish statehood but was not the origin of the idea. The post-Holocaust global sympathy may have helped gain broader support at the United Nations in 1947, but Zionism did not begin in 1945.

Finally, making the erroneous claim that Israel was created because of the Holocaust erases the Jewish people’s agency and long-standing efforts toward self-determination. It frames the creation of Israel as a kind of guilt-driven gesture by the West, rather than the culmination of a sustained national liberation movement.

Essentially, the Jewish state was conceived, built, and yearned for long before the Holocaust — rooted in decades of Zionist vision, activism, and sacrifice, not merely as a moral response to genocide.

ummymummy · 23/07/2025 22:55

Gloriia · 23/07/2025 22:53

'A hamas “journalist” had one of the bloody hostages in their house'

This! Can't believe a pp said the IDF were killing innocent journos 🙄.

Omg what a terrible accusation, the IDF never kill innocents!!!!!

said no non-zionist ever

ssd · 23/07/2025 22:55

It would be so interesting to see when each poster here joined mumsnet. So many names I don't recognise...

Martymcfly24 · 23/07/2025 22:56

ummymummy · 23/07/2025 22:55

Omg what a terrible accusation, the IDF never kill innocents!!!!!

said no non-zionist ever

What I think is really disgusting is to sully the names of the 186 journalists murdered trying to tell the world about the multiple war crimes of Israel by saying they were all Hamas.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 22:57

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DickAhOn · 23/07/2025 22:57

LipstickLessons · 23/07/2025 22:53

I'm not supporting them. I pointing out that claims Hamas would kidnap UN workers don't stand up to scrutiny. The biggest risk to them clearly is the IDF. Let's operate in reality here. The reality is Hamas are awful but claims that they would kidnap UN workers just aren't true are they or they would have kidnapped UN workers.

I misread it. Yes you're right. Hamas is indeed disgusting but they have no reason to kidnap un workers, not least because they had completely infiltrated un agencies and nearly all un workers were local staff.

Gloriia · 23/07/2025 22:57

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 23/07/2025 22:55

That still doesn’t justify absolutely flattening everything and starving a population of 2 million people!

Hamas need to release hostages and stand down or be ousted. Gazans need to do what other ME territories manage and overthrow terrorist organisations.

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