This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 7)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/19/killing-of-young-siblings-at-gaza-water-point-shows-seeking-lifes-essentials-now-a-deadly-peril

A continuation of https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5311075-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-6?page=1

The Israeli army are using aid centres as target practice.

The Israeli government is proposing building a 'refugee' centre in Rafah with an extra special feature - no one is allowed to leave.

Hotel California?

It's called losing a war you started: how many Japanese civilians died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but but nobody says that means the USA has no right to exist. And they had already committed genocide against native Americans too.

It’s called genocide, ongoing as civilians are being bombed in Gaza in the ‘ceasefire’, medical aid is squeezed out, settler terrorists kill and evict Palestinians from their homes and the law to execute - another way to kill Palestinians.

Ignore.

Too much was getting exposed on this thread.

Don’t get derailed by the war is war argument. It’s been on the CIME so many times.

I feel it is important not to be drawn into attempts at deflection from the genocide. I’ve seen a lot of questionable stuff posted over the past few days 🎣

Is that the genocide Hamas tried to commit on Oct 7th 2023?

You know a genocide doesn’t have to succeed for it to be genocide right? It’s the intention that matters. And whiles it’s obvious that Hamas would have committed genocide but didn’t have the means to do so, it’s hard to claim Israel tried and failed - because they did have the means to commit genocide but didn’t. They even vaccinated children in Gaza during the war - not very genocidal.

And if they wanted to commit genocide against Arabs, why don’t they start with the 2 million who have Israeli citizenship? The Chinese don’t attack the Uighurs living in Kasakhstan and Mongolia do they? Only the ones in China.

@Emilesgran The court case doesn’t accuse them of committing genocide against “the Arabs”

It’s specifically accusing Israel of committing genocide against Palestinian’s in Gaza.

It really isn’t so “hard” to argue. There is a hugely complex legal case involved. It can’t be simply dismissed with inane mutterings about the Uighurs.

You didn't say what you think of Hamas' genocidal actions before Israel responded.
Nor how it's possible to be the victim of genocide when all the Palestinians had to do was surrender. They chose not to, which is not the same thing. If Japan hadn't surrendered when they did, at what point would the Americans have had to give up fighting them or be accused of genocide?

Nor how it's possible to be the victim of genocide when all the Palestinians had to do was surrender.

Not surrendering does not mean someone is free to commit a genocide or even worse are you suggesting it is the victims fault if the enemy commits genocide because they (or more likely their military) didn't surrender?

If Japan hadn't surrendered when they did, at what point would the Americans have had to give up fighting them or be accused of genocide?
You seem to assume that war will always result in a genocide if the opposition don't surrender. I really don't think you understand anything about international law or genocide

No I’m saying the exact opposite - it isn’t genocide to keep fighting even if the losing side refuses to keep fighting despite their own civilians suffering massively.

For instance the Jews couldn’t have stopped the Nazi genocide by surrendering - right? The Tutsis couldn’t have stopped the Hutus by laying down their arms.

It’s not a genocide when there are two armed groups fighting and the one that’s losing has the option to stop fighting. That’s losing a war, and is not the same as genocide.

As I said you don't seem to understand the definition of genocide. It is nothing to do with fighting or even war or whether the opposition continuing to fight puts their civilians in harms way, all civilians are protected in law regardless of what side they are on, it is to do with how civilians are treated and potentially killed.

No I think it's you who doesn't understand. Genocide has nothing to do with fighting because it is NOT genocide when civilians are killed as a result of being in a war zone - otherwise the US and their allies in Iraq and Afghanistan would be guilty of genocide for all the wedding parties they bombed. Some at least those may well have been war crimes, but that does not make it genocide.

And that's why your claim that it doesn't matter if the opposition continues to fight is iRrelevant in this case: Hamas began the conflict on Oct 7th 2023, and could have ended it at any time before the current ceasefire. In fact you may remember that Hamas (and many Palestinian civilians) celebrated various ceasefires as "victory" - because they had been keeping the conflict going. It would have stopped months before if they had chosen to end it. By definition, there's no genocide when the "victims" could end the bloodshed immediately by laying down their arms but choose not to.

Your points are not even mentioned in Israel’s defence case.

why don’t you read up on the case and then come back and make some points based on it.

Double post

LOL I'm not Israel: I'm making my own comments.

By definition, there's no genocide when the "victims" could end the bloodshed immediately by laying down their arms but choose not to

Ok so you seem to be suggesting that all innocent civilians killed in Gaza are armed Hamas fighters and it's pretty offensive to put victims in inverted commas so there's not much else to say really, your position is clear.

No Way. Never would have guessed it was merely an uninformed opinion.

No that's not what I'm saying.

Well considering that posters here already linked to an ICJ report and misrepresented the content of their own link, I think we'd all be better off just giving our own opinions rather than just making appeals to authority, often wrongly.

This video clip from cctv footage shows a military dog attacking a worshipper trying to leave a mosque. Soldiers then come in pointing guns at him, and then tie him up.
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2026/4/5/footage-shows-idf-military-dog-attacking-palestinian-man-inside-mosque

You can feel that man's fear through his body language. Big brave soldiers setting a dog on an unarmed man.

Vile evil fuckers.

Also, they were unnecessarily defiling that mosque.

If they really wanted to arrest the man, he was coming out the door straight into them, completely unarmed. Why let the dog inside to attack the man then come in after it in that gang.

Yet more bullying and cruelty.

The man had his hands in the air the moment the door opened . He posed no threat and they left the dog attack him.

It reminds me of the Palestinian man with autism and Down Syndrome that was attacked by a IDF dog and left to die.

What does “Hamas is gone” mean to you?

IDF soldiers beat to death a 68 year old woman, Sabriya Shamasneh, during a raid on her home.

www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-forces-beat-elderly-palestinian-woman-death

My god, the IDF are vile. Israel will war us all into the ground, wherever we live.