27 children have been murdered by the IOF every day for 650 days in Gaza (UNICEF)

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Facts:

• At least 15,000 children have been killed since the war began in October 2023.
• Many have died in airstrikes, building collapses, or stampedes at aid sites.
• Thousands more have been injured, often with life-altering wounds, burns, or amputations.
• Gaza is facing famine-like conditions.
• Children are eating grass, leaves, or going days without food.
• Severe malnutrition is widespread, especially in northern Gaza. Babies and toddlers are dying of hunger-related causes.
• Nearly all children in Gaza are now considered to have signs of acute psychological trauma:
• Nightmares
• Bedwetting
• Non-responsiveness (shutdown/dissociation)
• Panic at loud sounds
• Many have lost one or both parents, siblings, or entire families.
• Most hospitals have been bombed or shut down.
• Children can’t access basic care, vaccines, or treatment for chronic illnesses.
• Wounded kids are operated on without anesthesia in some cases.
• Over 1 million children have been displaced—many multiple times.
• Families sleep in tents, rubble, or outdoors with no clean water or toilets.
• Nearly all schools have been shut down, destroyed, or turned into shelters.
• Many teachers and schoolchildren have been killed.
• A whole generation risks growing up with no access to education or safety.
• Children are drinking dirty water, leading to diarrheal diseases and infections.
• Outbreaks of hepatitis, lice, and scabies are widespread.
• Even in declared “safe zones” or aid areas, children have been shot, suffocated in stampedes, or killed by nearby strikes.
• Some have died while queuing for water or food.

“There is no safe place left for children in Gaza. They are being killed, starved, maimed, and psychologically shattered. This is not a humanitarian crisis—this is a crisis of humanity.”
— Save the Children, July 2025

@Twiglets1its a bit more complicated than “they started a war”, although they should not have done what they did. There already was a low level one.

Israel would be too scared to let them in after the footage of Palestinian civilians celebrating 7/10.

Well maybe they shouldn’t have started a high level one?

It’s a bit more complicated than that but also quite simple.

No war= No deaths.

Why on earth would you suggest Palestinians seek safe haven in a country that is apparently genociding, ethnically cleansing, starving, torturing, raping, and deliberately murdering and maiming their children?

What an odd statement

As long as the Israeli settlers are encouraged by the Israeli government and tolerated by Israeli society there are always going to be deaths unfortunately unless ethnic cleansing which is the end goal for these extremists is successful.

Ok my equation was not completely accurate.

But how many thousands & thousands of civilian deaths would have been avoided if Hamas had just not attacked Israel on 7/10?

Very sad & preventable.

I think @Changerj mat have been trying to make a little joke.

Because let’s face it: most Palestinians refugees wouldn’t want to move to Israel and they in turn wouldn’t want them.

As others have already said- that argument completely ignores the wider context decades of occupation, blockades, and repeated cycles of violence that have pushed people to desperate measures.

Yes, the attack on 7/10 caused terrible loss of life, but pretending it happened in a vacuum and blaming Hamas alone overlooks the root causes and ongoing suffering of Palestinians.

Reducing everything to “if only Hamas hadn’t attacked” erases the bigger picture and makes no real progress towards peace. Israel’s response to 7/10 has led to the deaths of tens of thousands of children in Gaza and I’m starting to think that you think this is a justified and proportionate response?

I’m not pretending it happened in a vacuum or blaming Hamas alone.

But Hamas are responsible for triggering the war.

So @Twiglets1 by saying Hamas are responsible for all the approximately 100,000 dead, are you absolving Israel of all responsibility ?

I'm saying that Hamas are responsible for triggering the current war and it is unarguably true that many thousands of civilians would be alive today had they not made that decision to attack Israel. They didn't do it on a whim did they, it was planned out in advance and was a catastrophic mistake.

BUT - the Israel government have free will too, the same as Hamas. They could have reacted with less force & they could have not made the decision to withhold humanitarian aid when they did.

So no, I don't absolve Israel of all responsibility at all. But the way l see it, Hamas should take the main bulk of the responsibility for where Gaza is today.

This is not how most other people see it- whilst Hamas was responsible for a terrible provocation, most people see Israeli response as disproportionate:

Few Western Europeans approve of Israel’s conduct in Gaza. Only between 6% and 16% in our six EuroTrack countries believe that “Israel were right to send troops into Gaza and have generally responded in a proportionate way to the Hamas attacks” – down slightly from the prior survey in October last year.

https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52279-net-favourability-towards-israel-reaches-new-lows-in-key-western-european-countries

I also would say if asked that I think the Israel response has become disproportionate. I would see them fighting Hamas as justified though.

Anyway, I'm just giving my opinions on here, not saying I hold majority views necessarily.

Blame Hamas. No sympathy for the hostages who have been held for nearly two years ?

But it does mean turning a blind eye to what's at stake for Israel.

Those are surveys of the public.

Where do they get their participants and from what areas of the country because I’ve never been asked my opinion nor has any of the many people I know?

I imagine a fair amount of participants will be anti-semites and anti-Israel anyway considering what we have seen from the shocking response to Oct 7th in the West.

Interesting that the majority of these participants don’t believe Israel were right to send troops into Gaza at all.

What did they think Israel were right to do in response to Oct 7th I wonder? Concede to Hamas, open the borders and wait for a new wave of terrorist attacks in return for the mass slaughter, rape, torture and kidnapping of Israelis and the international citizens Hamas and their supporters also slaughtered and kidnapped?

Did they think when Hamas got all their convicted terrorist members freed, borders were all open, weapons could be imported, etc. there would be no more violence and Oct 7th and all the decades of terrorism before was just nice people getting a bit angry?

What do YOU think they would have been right to do?

‘Not this’ is not any kind of answer btw.

I think you combat terrorism by addressing its root causes not by outdoing terrorists in violence. The majority of any population want to look after their family and live good peaceful lives, if you allow people to do this, give them good lives they will not be drawn to terrorism. There may always be some extremists but they will not have popular support if most people aren’t suffering. And no this is not a naïve view

Israel over the last few decades created the conditions for terrorism to grow

Viewing Hamas as a reaction to oppression is very naive to its founding principles, which as Westerners are completely alien to us.

I think you combat terrorism by addressing its root causes not by outdoing terrorists in violence

The "root cause" for these particular terrorists is the destruction of Israel.

Another big part of the problem is the alleged weaponisation of aid within Hamas.

I had high hopes that the joint US/Israel project for providing aid would be the solution to this, but I'm seeing bbc report after report of killing happening at these new aid sites as they're allegedly overrun or the sites feel threatened for some reason.

I thought this project was a fairly good idea to get around Israel/US fears of bad actors in aid distribution, but it's clearly not working as they intended.
And it's controversial, as aid recipients could be coerced in exchange for aid.
My proposal to address that risk would be to also involve UNRWA at these sites, doing spot checks and monitoring.

Hamas would also be extremely motivated to ensure the new us/Israel distribution sites don't work out.. Because controlling the food supply controls the people.

From chatGPT:
Why did Israel and US set up their own aid distribution sites?

Israel and the United States set up their own aid distribution sites in Gaza for several key reasons, mainly tied to security, control, and efficiency:

1. Security Concerns

Mistrust of UNRWA and local groups: Both Israel and the US have expressed concern that some aid organizations—particularly UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency)—might have been compromised by Hamas or other militant groups.

Prevent diversion of aid: There’s a longstanding fear that aid could be stolen or diverted by armed factions for political or military purposes rather than reaching civilians in need.

1. Direct Control Over Aid Delivery

By setting up and running their own distribution points (e.g., the US-built temporary pier and Israel’s controlled crossing at Kerem Shalom), they can better:

Vet aid recipients and screen for weapons or contraband.

Track how much aid goes in and where it goes, minimizing corruption or leakage.

Control the narrative about who is helping civilians and how.

1. Bypassing Bureaucratic and Logistical Bottlenecks

The Gaza aid operation involves multiple actors (UN, NGOs, Egypt, Qatar, etc.), and coordination is complex and slow.

Setting up their own infrastructure allows the US and Israel to streamline delivery and ensure more consistent flow of supplies.

1. Humanitarian Pressure and International Optics

Facing international criticism over the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, both countries needed to visibly demonstrate their commitment to civilian aid.

Independent aid distribution efforts signal a proactive stance and provide political cover amid ongoing military operations.

The destruction of Israel might be their aim but not the root cause for their growth ??
What do you think is the root cause?

Or the very existence of Israel.

Again not the root cause. Live in denial if you wish

Are you kidding?!?!