Anti-semitism in the UK

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Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

@Hotchocolatebuns I want to ask one important question only.....

Do you believe multiple women were raped, sexually assaulted as part of the October 7th attack? Do you believe the testimonies given by various witnesses at different stages including hostages that tell this?

You think people are "dehumanising" gang rapers who raped dead bodies, murdered every innocent person they could get their hands on, including children. Am I understanding you clearly?

I don't often call out posts as nonsense, but you must have been reading different posts. You couldn't ask for a more open-minded poster than @JoyDivision79. And she is right that you cherry-pick. There is still tumbleweed drifting over the simple questions you have refused to answer.

No, I think the real issue is how quickly some are willing to equate the actions of a terrorist group with an entire population - men, women, and children - and then justify the collective punishment of millions as justice. That’s dehumanisation.

If we’re talking about inhumane violence, the record shows it's not one-sided. The actions of Israeli state forces, including well-documented abuses on the ground and in detention, also deserve scrutiny.

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You should feel so, so much shame for this post. What do you feel would be sufficient evidence for independent investigators? Standing over the women while they are being raped?
I cannot believe you've come here to say this on a thread about antisemitism.
A new low, even for this forum.

There's nothing new about it, I'm afraid. All we had on MN after 7 October was demands for forensic evidence from rape kits, as though the priority at the time wasn't identifying >1400 corpses and body parts, some incinerated.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/569283/rape-kits-forensic-evidence-oct-7-times-of-israel/

Ismail Haniyeh, the head of the Hamas Political Bureau, on the first day of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, 7 October, 2023, as reported by :
In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
O children of our Palestinian people, O children of our Ummah [the Arab-Muslim community]. Today you have a rendezvous with a great victory and a dazzling triumph. From the front line of the indomitable and proud Gaza, Operation Al-Aqsa Flood has been launched by Al-Qassam Brigades [the military wing of Hamas], the Resistance factions and the children of our Palestinian people. You have seen the grand images of these pious and courageous fighters who drew the stigmata of humiliation, defeat and collapse on the face of the enemy. Operation Al-Aqsa Flood announced by my dear brother and Commander of the Resistance General Staff, mujahid Mohamed Deif, is led on the ground by the Commander of the Hamas Islamic Resistance, with brother Yahya Sinwar in the forefront; Al-Aqsa Flood which is led by the leaders of this movement from all its positions, with all the [other] Resistance factions, with all the children of our people, with all the children of this Ummah who aspire to a Great Victory.
What did these defeatists expect, [these Arabs] who have spread the culture of impotence and despair, and wanted the path to normalisation [of relations with Israel] to shape this stage with recognition of the enemy? Did they ever imagine they would see such images, such heroic deeds, such sacrifices, such courage, such pride? The perpetrators of these feats are “men who were sincere in their commitment to God. Some of them have reached their end [martyrdom], and others are still waiting; and they have not varied in any way (in their commitment).”(Quran, chapter 33, verse 23). These men shaped the gates of the Great Victory, and opened them for our people and our Ummah. These men, who know the Qur’an by heart, fast and pray in adoration of God the Most High and Exalted, have attacked and “penetrated inside the dwellings” (Quran, chapter 17, verse 5) in the heart of our territory occupied [by the enemy], around Gaza and further afield: “Help [from] God and a (promise of) upcoming victory.” (Quran, chapter 61, verse 13). You are most magnificent, O men of faith, O men of Al-Qassam Brigades, O men of Gaza, Gaza of pride and dignity, of courage, heroism and sacrifice. Today, Gaza erases from the Arab-Muslim community the shame of defeat, the shame of acceptance and inaction. You are most grand, O commanders who lead this battle, the battle of the beginning of the Liberation of Al-Quds [Jerusalem], our land, our people and our prisoners held in the jails of the Zionist occupation.

@Hotchocolatebuns this is what I believe you mean; my open and willing approach to criticising Islam in it's entirety could be taken as a pass to abuse and intimidate Muslim people who don't deserve it.

I do actually agree with you. This i believe is true in terms of the risk of speaking this way as I do. It's why I talk about all people having capacity to be very dark. Because I know all groups can.

If we lived in the 80s and I said what I did, I believe that could be quite dangerous. Even though in the time we are currently in, it's pretty true for me.

I try very much to separate a religion and an ideology from people but it's not always possible.

I don't like the fundamentals of a religion like Islam. It is quite gross to me. You won't believe me when I say I think very often about the young girls in that. Mostly in this country for some reason.

I do understand what you are saying. It's difficult to measure how many people want to go batter ' brown Muslims' here. And if given some backing or being emboldened, would they go nuts? Yes some could I hate to say. I think about the girls again with my empathy, not so much the men. That's a bit wrong of me maybe.

Islamaphobe is a terrible term because it is employed to silence discussion or opposition. It has afforded a protection and inequality that's not ok. This is actually the thing that fuels knee jerk inappropriate anger from many people.

I'd feel this way about many religions that are evolving in the way I'm watching this.

I do believe there are risks to vulnerable people all the time though especially if they want to misinterpret. You are doing this with me. I couldn't be more open about my beliefs and that's something not to be afraid of.

This is Haniyeh's reaction to learning that his sons and grandchildren have been killed.

No surprises there. This is Haniyeh's reaction to learning that his sons and grandchildren have been killed:
"May God have ease on them."
"Shall we end the visit?"
"No, why? Let's continue!"

I suppose he knows they've gone to Paradise.

It's hard for Westerners to get our heads round this sort of thing.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UAfI8CpKUAQ

Ooops, sorry for the double post! Operator error no doubt, but "an unexpected error occurred" 🤦🏻‍♀️

I think the poster is well aware that rape has been used as a weapon of war since war began. I'd imagine they wouldn't be demanding the same from the women of the DRC or the German victims of Russians etc, but for some reason they feel comfortable coming on a thread about antisemitism to deny the rapes of Jewish women, despite international agreement that these happened. It's unconscionable.

Ophelia if you RTT you’ll see it wasn’t @Hearing that brought this subject up. Perhaps ask others why it’s appropriate on this thread first. That would be more appropriate

Now now Tinky, you're not applying the context of opression.

When he praises the mass killing and capture of civilians in Israel - including women, children, and the elderly - as a "great victory" and proof of divine favour he doesn't really mean murdering innocent Jews is good, he just means he wants freedom to be good friends with them.

When he romanticises death and encourages martyrdom knowing full well that thousands of Palestinians - many of them poor, young, and trapped in Gaza - will be killed this doesnt mean he wants innocent Palestinians to die for his political ideology, what he really means is that his number one priority will be ensuring their safety.

When he describes the attackers, who brutally targeted civilians, as devout heroes fulfilling God’s will, saturated with Quranic references to make the massacre appear sacred and divine duty, he doesn't mean it's a religious war.... he just means he wants to live in equality and hug lots of Jews.

When praises the infiltration of Israeli territory as a religiously justified act and encourages all Palestinians and Muslims worldwide to rally behind the violence, painting it as a source of honour and redemption for the Arab world he doesn't mean its a racially motivated attack on Jewish people that he wants all Arabs to join, he just means he wants a liberal democracy for everyone.

When he frames the violence as the beginning of a broader mission to “liberate” all of Israel, including Jerusalem, rejecting coexistence or compromise entirely what he really means is that if the Jews just remove the blockade they will import piñatas and have big garden parties together where they'll do karaoke duets.

When he talks about the complete eradication of the Israeli state what he really means is just a two state solution so the world can be at peace.

When he openly mocks Arab leaders who have sought peace or normalisation with Israel, calling them “defeatists” and “spreaders of despair,” showing contempt for any diplomatic path what they really mean is that they'd definitely have wanted a two state solution but just Israel are so mean about it.

Turn out your pockets, Jew.

#metoounlessyoureajew

Owen Jones has entered the room - again.

For full disclosure, I’m not Jewish!

I’m another person who vaguely knew about the region prior to 7 Oct, but wasn’t that well informed. As soon as the news started coming out and the first of the videos was published online and the first chats of Free, free Palestine went up I started to question everything I thought I knew.

I then started reading.

I then started seeing the onslaught of hatred toward Israel and Jews worldwide that was accompanied by denials of anti-Semitism and demands to see footage of some of the most hideous crimes actually being committed before they would be believed.

I then found Imshin on X and started trawling through videos posted by Gazans of what things were like prior to 7 Oct which further cemented my questioning of what I was seeing in the news. As an example, when those celebs started wearing their Red Hand Pins on the red carpet? I found out what the red hand actually means for Palestinians and was revolted that anyone could glorify the dismembering & murder of someone so casually. How can you be proclaiming your humanitarian credentials while glorifying someone being ripped to pieces?

Then the camps started in universities and the marches started.

I found Heidi Bachman on X after I’d watched the footage of her husband’s family that was broadcast live on their Facebook page. Tsachi held his daughter as she died from her gunshots then cradled his son as his wife hid her daughter under her to protect her from the bullets. Tsachi was then kidnapped to Gaza where he was murdered. Heidi and Adam hold weekly memorials in Brighton. I think their memorial has been destroyed every week by pro-Palestinians. Ribbons are cut done. Posters are removed. Tributes to the Bibas family damaged. Every week. It’s not enough for these people to do nothing to a tiny group of people, they have to go out of their way to desecrate their memories. Every week the memorial is put back and every week another name is read out so the dead and captive are not forgotten. As Jews have had to get used to for millennia they honour there dead and get on with life. Where the memorial is is apparently out of the way but they’ve still had marches routed past. They don’t need to troop past with their signs and their chants, but they made a point of it because…Israel.

I made myself watch the 7 Oct footage. I watched the Nova film. I wasn’t, as someone implied earlier, deliberately trying to find graphic footage. I wanted to see what had been done to make sure those who had been murdered were not forgotten.

I’ve watched the gruesome spectacle of the hostage releases. The escalation of each one once they must realised how the footage was being received. The uniformed soldiers where there had only been civilians. The guns (including Israeli weapons taken on 7 Oct). The new vehicles. The bloody banners and posters! Where did they even come from?! In amongst this scene of utter devastation that we were told was on the brink of running out of fuel (about 3 times but there was always fuel for rockets), with no food and nothing someone was still managing to run their printshop? Seriously?

I have seen the suffering of the Gazan people. I have seen the twisted bodies and countless fatalities. When I heard the ground attack was about to start, my initial thought was “Shit, this is going to be bad”. I thought that with my limited knowledge so Hamas with their greater knowledge definitely knew. They rained Hell down upon their people to not even get close to destroying Israel.

I have started to see how Iran has been instrumental in all of this. What’s the common thread amongst the IRGC, Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah etc? They all want to kill Jews. That’s your starting point for negotiations. One side of the table wants the other dead. And we expect Israel to sit down nicely and have a civilised negotiation as good Western governments should do and de-escalate and strive for peace. All war is bad…two state solution…proportionate response…great tag lines but what do they actually achieve? Israel is still under attack, Palestinians are still getting killed, Syria is a mess, Iranians are living under a tyrannical regime and Yemen is enduring a famine. No-one is doing anything to stop any of that until Israel starts retaliating for a massive attack within in its own borders.

So, no. I’m not Jewish, but by whatever God is out there and listening I’ll stand by the Jewish people and nation because someone has to.

Am Yisrael Chai and always will.

I don't want to read between lines. I referenced sexual violence on October 7th and Hearing replied.

Is the question for me? Why did I bring it up?

Many relevant reasons. I'm clarifying first in case that was not directed at me?

Could you clarify?

The genocide in Gaza is indefensible. Utterly an abomination that children and innocent adults are being killed by the Israeli Army in their apparent effort to kill Hamas fighters.
How can a whole population be blamed for the crimes of the few. These are war crimes, crimes against humanity.
Can you imagine if the UK had started bombing Ireland wholesale because of the offences of Irish based terrorists?

Isn't that the guy who over dosed his ADHD meds accidentally before his Piers Morgan interview?

He needs to stay in his bedroom too, with Biden and many others.

Yes, a vile manchild, who storms out of interviews. A hard left wanker, who used to edit Hamas entries in Wikipedia. On viewing the 7/10 footage, his first response was that there was no evidence of rape. Then again, as he so heavily aligned with antisemite Corbyn, I'm really not surprised.

I'm not Jewish either, but have been polarised by the sanctimonious indifference on MN since 7 Oct and the "virtue signallng" parades on our streets. This callous blindness is the scariest social development I've ever witnessed in the almost 7 decades of my life.

Are you talking about the footage in the prison where they gather round an individual and cover him with their shields?

If that is the one, that video doesn’t show anything that you claim it does so by your standards it didn’t happen.

BTW, even discussing this here on this thread is gross.