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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti-semitism in the UK

797 replies

Lolapusht · 13/07/2025 11:02

Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

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Hearing · 15/07/2025 17:57

So here is what I have found;

UN Special Representative (March 2024)

…this mission did not establish proof beyond reasonable doubt, could not confirm systematic use, or directly attribute orders to Hamas

UN Commission of Inquiry (June 2024)

…Yet, due to lack of on-site access and forensic limitations, it couldn't verify specific allegations such as genital mutilation or orders from Hamas.

The evidence rests largely on witness testimony and patterns of violence—powerful but not forensic confirmation

ZAKA volunteer Yehuda Meshi-Zahav’s cousin, who said women had “poles in their genitals,” later retracted after admitting she didn’t see the bodies herself.

Israeli police initially suggested forensic evidence of rape, but later clarified there was no DNA or rape kit confirmation.

To date, there has been no publicly available forensic evidence (e.g. rape kits, DNA, or explicit video) proving rape on October 7. No confirmed rape charges have been filed, no court cases brought.

Investigations rely solely on witness testimony, much of it second-hand, and some early claims (like women with poles in their genitals, or beheaded babies) were later retracted or disproven.

Even President Biden falsely claimed to have seen photos of beheaded babies—he later walked it back. So the question is: Did he lie, or was he shown something staged or fake?

Contrast this with what has come out of Gaza:
There is a disturbing amount of documented evidence of sexual violence, torture, and killings of Palestinian women and children by Israeli forces—including witness testimony, photographs, and videos. A video of a Palestinian prisoner being raped and murdered in an Israeli jail sparked riots inside Israel itself.

But here’s the double standard: Palestinian women’s testimonies of being raped by Israeli soldiers don’t hold the same weight in Western media or politics. Why are their stories treated as less?

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 17:58

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Do you believe the testimonies of people involved in various elements, as hostages and involved in service provision after October 7th?

Do you believe what they say? And would that constitute evidence or would it need photos for your consideration? It's not a trick question.

Voxon · 15/07/2025 18:01

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Maybe create a thread for yourself to deny the rate of Jewish women, rather than coming to an antisemitism thread.

Hearing · 15/07/2025 18:01

I don’t need to see a photo. I need the independent investigators to have evidence.

How many people, celebrities even, said they saw the videos? We know that people would not want to see it so we just took their word.

As I said above President Biden lied and said he actually saw the images of the beheaded babies. How is this a simple miscommunication…?

There has been too much back track, too many lies and this has caused people to want evidence before stuff is parroted around as fact.

Beachtastic · 15/07/2025 18:02

@Hearing I'm so sorry to say this, but the reason orders can't be traced to Hamas is that it wasn't Hamas who did a lot of the stuff at Nova. There were many "opportunists" who seized the chance to get through the fence and have some fun. I'm afraid it all got a little out of hand. As for retractions, I have already explained this. But, as MN puts it, "you do you."

Hearing · 15/07/2025 18:04

So your saying that civilians ran through the fence raped and then went back in?

Hotchocolatebuns · 15/07/2025 18:06

Hearing · 15/07/2025 17:57

So here is what I have found;

UN Special Representative (March 2024)

…this mission did not establish proof beyond reasonable doubt, could not confirm systematic use, or directly attribute orders to Hamas

UN Commission of Inquiry (June 2024)

…Yet, due to lack of on-site access and forensic limitations, it couldn't verify specific allegations such as genital mutilation or orders from Hamas.

The evidence rests largely on witness testimony and patterns of violence—powerful but not forensic confirmation

ZAKA volunteer Yehuda Meshi-Zahav’s cousin, who said women had “poles in their genitals,” later retracted after admitting she didn’t see the bodies herself.

Israeli police initially suggested forensic evidence of rape, but later clarified there was no DNA or rape kit confirmation.

To date, there has been no publicly available forensic evidence (e.g. rape kits, DNA, or explicit video) proving rape on October 7. No confirmed rape charges have been filed, no court cases brought.

Investigations rely solely on witness testimony, much of it second-hand, and some early claims (like women with poles in their genitals, or beheaded babies) were later retracted or disproven.

Even President Biden falsely claimed to have seen photos of beheaded babies—he later walked it back. So the question is: Did he lie, or was he shown something staged or fake?

Contrast this with what has come out of Gaza:
There is a disturbing amount of documented evidence of sexual violence, torture, and killings of Palestinian women and children by Israeli forces—including witness testimony, photographs, and videos. A video of a Palestinian prisoner being raped and murdered in an Israeli jail sparked riots inside Israel itself.

But here’s the double standard: Palestinian women’s testimonies of being raped by Israeli soldiers don’t hold the same weight in Western media or politics. Why are their stories treated as less?

Well done, thanks for doing this research and sharing it here.

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 18:08

@Hearing I believe that soldiers in the IDF would be capable of rape. I do.

I believe our UK soldiers here would go up against ISIS and could some of them rape people if it was felt they could, no one would know or see it or call for accountability. Well yes. I'd never discount that.

What you provided in your post in no way invalidates any of this. It's almost as if you're saying the Hamas group wouldn't and didnt engage in sexual violence because I haven't got a video reel to watch in front of my eyes. And I do believe this behaviour is unfortunately emboldened in this case by ideology ( yes I think it is), that it's emboldened very much by beliefs about Jews, about women, about people having freedom and about people they don't want anywhere near them.

Do you believe, knowing what we know, it's beyond reality? There are multiple testimonies.

I will never be able to provide evidence in picture, video or anything that says I am right - that element regarding sexual torture is absolutely fact - I'll never be able to prove that.

I see a pattern of denial coming from one side in this thread. I'm not denying the capacity to do what you're telling me. I believe it does happen. I'm not calling anyone bigot,racist.

That is what is happening on here. It's nuts.

Beachtastic · 15/07/2025 18:11

Hearing · 15/07/2025 18:04

So your saying that civilians ran through the fence raped and then went back in?

Yes; I could point you to many sources for this but perhaps the easiest one is the Wikipedia entry. Under the summary details (top right), it has "Perpetrator: Over 100 operatives of the Al-Qassam Brigades along with Palestinian civilian mobs."

There are videos on YouTube of them swarming through, or at least there used to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novamusicfestivalmassacre

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 18:11

Hearing · 15/07/2025 18:01

I don’t need to see a photo. I need the independent investigators to have evidence.

How many people, celebrities even, said they saw the videos? We know that people would not want to see it so we just took their word.

As I said above President Biden lied and said he actually saw the images of the beheaded babies. How is this a simple miscommunication…?

There has been too much back track, too many lies and this has caused people to want evidence before stuff is parroted around as fact.

I am never ever listening to Biden! I am not listening to celebs!

It's dangerous for them to peddle their views because I believe they need to stay in their lane. Biden should not have been allowed out of his bloody bedroom never mind having a platform or a lane.

I am listening to what the people say. The Israeli Jewish people. The Jewish people here.

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/07/2025 18:14

Hotchocolatebuns · 15/07/2025 18:06

Well done, thanks for doing this research and sharing it here.

There is nothing to congratulate here .
We’ve seen the footage of Shani Louk ( as surely have you ?)
We’ve seen the bloodstained trousers of female hostages
We seen the mother of the Bibas children trying to cover and protect her babies with an expression of such abject terror.

Why are you people on a thread about anti semitism forcing Jewish posters to give graphic accounts of what happened on that day?
Is it giving you perverse pleasure?
Im disgusted.
Create a thread of your own to deny the horrors of October 7th.
I don’t want to hear about it on here .

Beachtastic · 15/07/2025 18:15

Beachtastic · 15/07/2025 18:11

Yes; I could point you to many sources for this but perhaps the easiest one is the Wikipedia entry. Under the summary details (top right), it has "Perpetrator: Over 100 operatives of the Al-Qassam Brigades along with Palestinian civilian mobs."

There are videos on YouTube of them swarming through, or at least there used to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novamusicfestivalmassacre

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Oh, so here's one

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLnBdEUGjM

Beachtastic · 15/07/2025 18:18

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/07/2025 18:14

There is nothing to congratulate here .
We’ve seen the footage of Shani Louk ( as surely have you ?)
We’ve seen the bloodstained trousers of female hostages
We seen the mother of the Bibas children trying to cover and protect her babies with an expression of such abject terror.

Why are you people on a thread about anti semitism forcing Jewish posters to give graphic accounts of what happened on that day?
Is it giving you perverse pleasure?
Im disgusted.
Create a thread of your own to deny the horrors of October 7th.
I don’t want to hear about it on here .

Quite. I am sorry to have been led into the trap.

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 18:20

@Hotchocolatebuns there is an undertone of something in your posts that makes me uncomfortable. There is thanks and praise for posts that really should not be praised. You are calling people like me a bigot and more.

I ask very good questions. I take responsibility for errors. I accept other perspectives.

You're on an anti Semitism thread and there is something here that does not sit right as you issue accusations, provide little backing to them and don't respond to the good points I make in reply to your accusations towards me.

Voxon · 15/07/2025 18:20

Hideos hour of my life, but I've sadly just read the full UN report. Don't read if you'd find it too upsetting. One tragic element on the report is that the few rape survivors not murdered that day did not feel safe coming forward, due to fear of media exposure, social stigma and mistrust of the UN. They're in specialist care for deep trauma.

What the UN Confirms:

  1. Rape Victims (Killed During or After the Assault)

There are "reasonable grounds to believe" that multiple incidents of rape, including gang rape, occurred at:

Nova Festival

Road 232

Kibbutz Re’im

Victims were:

Raped and then killed, or

Killed during the rape

Raped post-mortem in at least two specific cases.

  1. Sexual Violence Against Hostages

The report confirms “clear and convincing” evidence that some hostages were subjected to:

Rape

Sexualised torture

Cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment

This violence may still be ongoin

Bodies were often too badly burned to determine rape or genital injuries.

Many victims were buried quickly according to religious tradition, before forensic exams.

Some rape survivors are in hiding or not ready to speak.

Eyewitnesses were often too traumatised to give clear, verifiable counts.

The UN states that a full investigation would be required to determine the scale, which will hopefully come in future..

It seems this very short report was just to conform evidence that rape, gang rape and sexual torture did occur and a full investigation is pending.

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 18:22

@Voxon yes I believe all of that. And this is only what is known.

Voxon · 15/07/2025 18:22

I'd add to this, I absolutely believe the multiple eyewitnesses describe breasts being cut off, even if the savages did burn the bodies when they'd had their fun. If a group of men are capable of murdering a young girl whilst in the process of raping her, as well as after she was dead then I most certainly take the word of the victims family and friends over theirs.

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 18:24

Voxon · 15/07/2025 18:22

I'd add to this, I absolutely believe the multiple eyewitnesses describe breasts being cut off, even if the savages did burn the bodies when they'd had their fun. If a group of men are capable of murdering a young girl whilst in the process of raping her, as well as after she was dead then I most certainly take the word of the victims family and friends over theirs.

Yes I agree. I have seen enough that would make these testimonies absolutely believable and in alignment with what we have already seen. It is not any stretch is it.

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/07/2025 18:25

If nothing else , the October 7 denial we see in here ( like Holocaust denial ) is evidence of antisemitism .

Voxon · 15/07/2025 18:26

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/07/2025 18:25

If nothing else , the October 7 denial we see in here ( like Holocaust denial ) is evidence of antisemitism .

Particularly given which thread they've come to in order to do it.

Hotchocolatebuns · 15/07/2025 18:26

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/07/2025 18:14

There is nothing to congratulate here .
We’ve seen the footage of Shani Louk ( as surely have you ?)
We’ve seen the bloodstained trousers of female hostages
We seen the mother of the Bibas children trying to cover and protect her babies with an expression of such abject terror.

Why are you people on a thread about anti semitism forcing Jewish posters to give graphic accounts of what happened on that day?
Is it giving you perverse pleasure?
Im disgusted.
Create a thread of your own to deny the horrors of October 7th.
I don’t want to hear about it on here .

I acknowledged the suffering of October 7th and haven’t disrespected victims. But questioning unverified claims ,especially ones used to inflame tensions or dehumanise others, is not the same as denial. That’s what the research highlighted.

We should be able to care about Israeli lives lost and also ask why some stories get unquestioned airtime while others, like years of Palestinian suffering, are ignored, disbelieved, or erased. That imbalance matters.

And while this thread is about antisemitism, several posts have implied, either directly or subtly, that what’s happening to Palestinians/Gaza now is somehow justified because of October 7th. It isn’t. Mass displacement, bombardment, starving civilians, none of that is justice, and none of it should be accepted as collateral. That mindset must be challenged.

Beachtastic · 15/07/2025 18:27

I think what this thread has absolutely demonstrated is that OP is not wrong.

EdithStourton · 15/07/2025 18:28

Some posters on this thread completely disgust me.
I suspect that they know who they are.

They, and others like them, are the reason that I usually stay well clear of CITME.

Their behaviour is absolutely shameful.

Hotchocolatebuns · 15/07/2025 18:30

JoyDivision79 · 15/07/2025 18:20

@Hotchocolatebuns there is an undertone of something in your posts that makes me uncomfortable. There is thanks and praise for posts that really should not be praised. You are calling people like me a bigot and more.

I ask very good questions. I take responsibility for errors. I accept other perspectives.

You're on an anti Semitism thread and there is something here that does not sit right as you issue accusations, provide little backing to them and don't respond to the good points I make in reply to your accusations towards me.

And there's an Islamophobic undertone to your posts that invites others to pile on with hate too, something I don’t particularly like either.

You’ve made sweeping, inflammatory claims about a whole religion while insisting you're just asking questions. But those “questions” carry implications that encourages others to either run with or accept as normal discourse. That’s not harmless debate, it’s how bias spreads.

If I’m being called out for what makes you uncomfortable, then maybe take a moment to reflect on how your words are making others feel too.

TinklySnail · 15/07/2025 18:30

Hotchocolatebuns · 15/07/2025 18:26

I acknowledged the suffering of October 7th and haven’t disrespected victims. But questioning unverified claims ,especially ones used to inflame tensions or dehumanise others, is not the same as denial. That’s what the research highlighted.

We should be able to care about Israeli lives lost and also ask why some stories get unquestioned airtime while others, like years of Palestinian suffering, are ignored, disbelieved, or erased. That imbalance matters.

And while this thread is about antisemitism, several posts have implied, either directly or subtly, that what’s happening to Palestinians/Gaza now is somehow justified because of October 7th. It isn’t. Mass displacement, bombardment, starving civilians, none of that is justice, and none of it should be accepted as collateral. That mindset must be challenged.

Just Gaza and Palestine? Not Yemen who are suffering far more than Palestine