Anti-semitism in the UK

[Lolapusht]

Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

Because I knew some people at the Nova Festival, I saw a lot of personal testimonies in the immediate aftermath. Much has since been withdrawn from the internet out of respect for the dead and because they didn't want to cause even further distress to families and friends, or compromise investigations. There used to be plenty of photos, including some that will give me nightmares for the rest of my life, but you'd probably have to search the Dark Web for them now.

This is, of course, in direct contrast to Hamas, who ensure our media are flooded with unforgettable imagery. As we can see, their social media strategy works very well, partly because I don't think people understand that Israel has such a different approach. They think it would be all over their Insta feed if there was anything to "see".

The PP's offhand remark about it all here reminds me very much of what MN was like just after 7 Oct. Absolute denial and dismissal. All of it was treated as Israeli propaganda nonsense, and claims were made that it was the IDF who killed most of their own people that day. Honestly, you couldn't make it up. I was reeling. I came on MN expecting to find compassion and grief, not... that. I am still utterly bewildered by it. I mean, even the thing about the "40 beheaded babies" is treated as typical stupid Israeli propaganda, when in fact it was just the confusion of live broadcasts relaying the accounts of people trying to describe what they had witnessed. I remember seeing a forensic pathologist saying it was hard to tell the age of bodies that were incinerated, or how their heads came off - before or after burning. But the MN forums were full of people poking fun at all this.

I don't want to describe the full horrors of the atrocities committed, but the sexual violations @JoyDivision79 mentions are just the tip of the iceberg. The Dinah Project has captured some of these, but the report distributed to the public omits some of the confidential and graphic details from the >5000 photographs and >50 hours of footage shared with the UN. (The UN Under-Secretary-General, Pramila Patten, commented "I saw things here that I have not seen anywhere in the world. … I understand the magnitude of the pain, the insult and the anger of Israel regarding how the world did not sufficiently understand and treat the atrocities that happened to you."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o

I don’t support Netanyahu and I think the response of his government is cruelly excessive but It’s staggering that you can’t see that it’s Hamas’ actions that have destroyed those children’s lives .
Hamas knew what there would be repercussions after October 7. They held onto hostages ( some of whom were babies) and promised to continue attacking Israel - they knew Netanyahu would respond in a brutal fashion but they made no attempt to protect the Palestinian children.
The aid that went to Gaza was used to prop up Hamas - there was no attempt to protect the civilians with bomb shelters like the ones in Israel. Hamas deliberately put their own citizens in harms way and made no attempt to protect the most vulnerable. Instead the money/ food/ shelter is the priority of Hamas thugs.

Yes - the dismissal of the horror of October 7th is hideous. Why ask for verification of one detail in this forum as there can be no denying the extremity of horror - we have already got more than enough video evidence of what happened. ( Shani Louk/ Bibas family)

We must always ask for verification.

Late to this discussion but I wanted to say @Lolapusht i am so sorry for what is happening to you and other Jews around the world. I can’t comprehend how scary it must be.

the fact that the horrors of 7 October have somehow unleashed anti semitism instead of support is incomprehensible to me.

i hope you take some comfort from the non Jews who stand with you

Please don't enter into denial of the sexual violence on October 7

TRIGGER WARNING AS INCLUDES SEXUAL VIOLENCE

"They sliced her breast and threw it on the street," she says. "They were playing with"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

“bodies with objects inserted into their private parts, bodies with signs of shooting or other mutilations in the area of the genitalia.”

www.algemeiner.com/2025/07/09/new-report-exposes-hamas-tactical-use-of-sexual-violence-as-a-weapon-of-war-during-oct-7-attacks/

The UN sent investigators that confirmed evidence of rape as an act of war, over six seperate sites, includinf genital mutilation and objects inserted into vaginas.

I really can't believe you're denying the torture and rape of Jewish women on an antisemitism thread. I'm a tough cookie but honestly I'm almost in tears that you'd come here to do that.

If there was a mental gym, you could honestly teach a gymnastics class. It's been astounding to watch.

Why are you on this thread?

I'm here to support Jewish victims of antisemitism and to discuss the problem of antisemitism.

Why are you here?

So the first article is old and even says;

The BBC has not been able to independently verify this account, and Israeli media reports have questioned some testimony from volunteers working in the traumatic aftermath of the Hamas attacks.

Then when researching the person who said that he saw videos. He has since retracted it.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-fueled-a-global-dispute-over-israel-hamas-war

“Nearly three months later, ZAKA found out his interpretation was wrong. After cross-checking with military contacts, ZAKA found that a group of soldiers had dragged the girl's body across the room to make sure it wasn't booby-trapped. During the procedure, her pants had come down.”

“Yossi Landau, a longtime ZAKA volunteer, was also working in Be'eri when he entered a home that would produce the second debunked story. Landau would recount to global media what he thought he saw: a pregnant woman lying on the floor, her fetus still attached to the umbilical cord wrenched from her body.”

In other forums yes - but you’ve chosen to come on a thread about antisemitism in the UK to bring up one error ( 40 beheaded babies) and ask for verification for the sexual violence of that day .
It’s staggering that 2 years on you still don’t know too much about the horror of October 7th and therefore have to ask for verification but you are well informed about the terrible suffering of Palestinians.

You're still doing it! These reports have dozens of eye witnesses, people who are describing watching their friends and family be raped and murdered....and you think they're LYING?

They took evidence from dozens of first responders, pathologists, forensics and photographs... and you think they're ALL LYING?

What is actually wrong with you? How do you expect the BBC to "verify"? Do you think the BBC goes around the world with its own team of forensic experts and takes their own photos of rape victims????

I've never before heard anyone deny sexual violence like this, it's absolutely disgusting.

Yes I am listening to you and understand the importance of backing up statements so do agree.

It's taking me time to find what I saw today. It was a debate with 3 people online and quotes were presented in writing on the screen as they spoke the words detailing exactly what I wrote in my posts. It's taking me a while to trawl through and find it. But I will keep going until I find it. I've watched a significant amount recently.

What I found on-line when doing an internet search just now ( looking for written evidence) was incredibly compelling. There seems no doubt that sexual violence, rape and mutilation occurred. I saw reference to the Dinah report by another poster.

I've been made aware that my blunt language could be incredibly triggering to victim's so I'm really sorry for that. I understand the ramifications of putting out such horrors.

I will be back ref this. I believe them. I believe them. Of course I believe them.

The one piece of footage I saw before exploring this told me everything. Sexual violence, men laughing, glee, joy, pride. You really seriously can't be denying the existence of this with what we've seen so far.

If I can't find that reference/ evidence I raised specifically by this evening, I'll edit that post or ask for removal.

@Hearing Of course they have retracted these accounts. The people involved can easily be identified by friends and family.

Yossi Landau was vilified here on MN for being a lying Jew, just as he is treated in this video. When I watch him, though, I see a different story.

I see @voxon has presented another excellent post to clearly outline what I not so well tried to articulate 👏.

@Hearing do you believe this is all made up? Are you male can I ask?

This is how it's always been on here. I know, it makes your blood run cold.

I want to say I can't believe it. I do believe it though. I really do. I feel sick.

Every human being has the capacity to be a barbarian. Everyone under the right conditions could imo.

Sociopathic people are created within the right environment that might enable, facilitate and reward it. Sociopathic people, once developed, easily engage in horror, particularly if an ideology tells them it's ok. This is not comparible to examples provided ref casualties in Palestine.

Yes I do believe there will be sociopaths and psychopaths in the IDF. Simply because they're in general population across the board.

People are ignoring the drivers and the breeding grounds that provide the petri dish for this basically. That's when I want to call people stupid and lose my maturity quite frankly.

Why is anyone denying this shit.

@JoyDivision79 I can't actually write about it without shaking, just as Yossi Landau can hardly get the words out.

Unfortunately I think it's for the same reason people deny the Holocaust.

To minimise or erase Jewish suffering to maintain the Palestinian victim narrative.

To delegitimise Jewish claims to safety and justice by pretending they're the aggressors.

To rehabilitate Hamas just like some did Nazis by downplaying their crimes.

To turn the perpetrators into martyrs , "resistance" or freedom fighters.

In this warped mindset, they claim the Holocaust was invented or exaggerated just like so many do 7 October and actually every other pogrum.

Usually tied to antisemitic tropes about Jewish manipulation. As if the survivors of this massacre and all the medics, forensics and UN investigators are in a conspiracy to slander the men who did this.

It is willful distortion, directly contradicted by overwhelming evidence—testimonies, photographs, and so on.

Truth becomes inconvenient when it doesn't fit a cause—and people will twist themselves into knots to avoid facing what actually happened.

@Voxon I think it is also that Westerners, who are used to being fed graphic imagery as a kind of gruesome entertainment, simply cannot fathom the Israeli approach which is to preserve the dignity of the dead.

There's something particularly ugly and vulgar, in women gaslighting rape victims.

There is a desensitisation unfortunately. I certainly have been somewhat. I'm able to see things and not turn away. It is not about not caring. The bombardment makes it something people can be less horrified by I believe.

People are becoming more zombie like so it is harder to appeal to humanity. And I repeat I don't believe prone position protesters in London generally give a shit about dying Palestinians.

It's a digression - I watched an excellent speaker explain how modern society and cities are breeding sociopathic traits and enabling psychopathy. When someone falls over, cries in the street, people tend to get the phone out and film it; they don't have an innate will to help. Horrible all this.

@JoyDivision79 Yes... the Al-Jazeera "debunk" of Yossa's testimony is particulary poignant, I think, when he says "Yes, where's my phone... Sorry, I will not put it in front of the camera" (goes on to explain the photos he is showing, and when challenged "But that's the imagery after the bodies had been cleared away!"): "For sure - you know, we didn't think when we went over there... we didn't think to... to... to camera everything; we didn't have that - this wasn't in our... OK..."

He was ridiculed here on MN, as elsewhere, for his ridiculous Jewish lies. I know who I believe. The trauma of his original testimony is palpable.

You didn't look hard enough.
The APPG report on 7 October, p282, the bottom of the first column to the top of the second.
I could quote, but I would prefer not to.
The report was written to a high evidential standard.

https://www.7octparliamentarycommission.co.uk

Yes,that makes complete sense what he says. Of course it does 🙏.

I am glad I missed any threads ridiculing this.

@Hearing, having read your posts after the one I quoted above, I can only suggest you go away and download the APPG report and read it cover to cover.

It is absolutely horrifying. Yet you seek to demean and diminish what happened.

As for @Hotchocolatebuns who complained about mental gymnastics, does she remember the 'mental gymnastics' that were everywhere on 7th October ('this is all a result of Israel's actions... if you pen people up you must expect... history did not begin today...').

It is horrifying when children are caught up in warfare. It's also horrifying when their own government provokes a conflict and hasn't bothered to build any air-raid shelters, preferring to use the concrete to construct terror tunnels.

The whole situation is horribly complex, and there are no easy answers.