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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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Dangermoo · 10/07/2025 12:50

sualipa · 10/07/2025 12:45

Magic Grandpa – the incorruptible hero of Glastonbury who transformed the Labour Party into the largest grassroots political movement in Europe, only to be brought down by smears, lies, and a coordinated campaign by the establishment at home and abroad to silence and discredit him. He lives on in our hearts and minds.

I don't think I would be enjoying his simpering appearance at Glastonbury; that platform is hardly one to aspire to, given its recent antics. However, I understand why ooh Jeremy still appeals to the hard left Liberal luvvies. His 'heroism' didn't quite make it to the centre. Starmer is a legend, in comparison.

ForgesOfEmpires · 10/07/2025 12:52

sualipa · 10/07/2025 12:45

Magic Grandpa – the incorruptible hero of Glastonbury who transformed the Labour Party into the largest grassroots political movement in Europe, only to be brought down by smears, lies, and a coordinated campaign by the establishment at home and abroad to silence and discredit him. He lives on in our hearts and minds.

I actually voted for Jeremy Corbyn, despite having very different ideas on foreign policy I liked his other ideas and while I had empathy for the some of the example of antisemitism I saw, I really believed this to be fringe lunacy confined (where it belongs) to unwashed trade union reps and had-been 50 something communists.

Then the mobs started going past my house calling for intifadas and other various bollocks and engaging in some of the most obvious, most classic antisemitism that I never thought I would see in 21st century Britain and I realised he wasn't misjudged at all.

In hindsight, if he were prime minister it would have been catastrophic. He and his movement are like idealistic 6th formers, who have romanticised terrorist groups and Islamic extremists and simply don't understand the danger they pose to innocent lives and the freedoms of others.

He is anti west.

Which is all well and good when you are 15 and trying to be edgy, but as a grown adult it's quite dangerous.

Intifadas aren't glamorous, terrorists aren't freedom fighters, Osama Bin Laden wasn't a misunderstood genius. These people are religious extremists who have in different ways inflicted horrors on women, homosexuals, minorities, and even just those who don't agree with them for decades.

When I look at the mobs behaving like this, or even listen to the silly people here saying the things they say, I don't mean it in a cruel way but honestly the best thing for them would be to go and live for a year in Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Gaza and then come back and speak again.

They're so lucky to be living in the west, so lucky to be free and to be able to be free to vote for whoever they want. They're so lucky they have human rights and civil rights and rules which protect them from tyranny and they are blithely unaware and they have a bit of growing up to do.

sualipa · 10/07/2025 13:09

dairydebris · 10/07/2025 12:48

@sualipa I definitely dont often agree with you but I love reading your posts and you often make me laugh, please do keep posting, thankyou.
( I miss the laugh emoji )

Thanks, dairydebris. I do love Mumsnet a bit too much especially when I’ve got more pressing things to do but it’s respectful and informed posters like you that make it worth the effort.
I’ve been busy pushing back against the RaynOr Win pile-on elsewhere not quite sure why, but I don’t like witch hunts, particularly when there are no witches.
And even if there were what’s wrong with them? Witches, that is!

dairydebris · 10/07/2025 13:13

sualipa · 10/07/2025 13:09

Thanks, dairydebris. I do love Mumsnet a bit too much especially when I’ve got more pressing things to do but it’s respectful and informed posters like you that make it worth the effort.
I’ve been busy pushing back against the RaynOr Win pile-on elsewhere not quite sure why, but I don’t like witch hunts, particularly when there are no witches.
And even if there were what’s wrong with them? Witches, that is!

Im not really sure why but Magic Grandpa made me laugh out loud 😂

Anonimummy · 10/07/2025 13:14

itsagreayarea · 10/07/2025 12:24

If it’s a tragedy and you know it shouldn’t happen. Speak up.

It shouldn’t happen absolutely because Hamas should have surrendered and civilians should have been given refuge in surrounding safe countries as in EVERY OTHER WAR.

That is what everyone should be speaking up about.

itsagreayarea · 10/07/2025 13:31

Anonimummy · 10/07/2025 13:14

It shouldn’t happen absolutely because Hamas should have surrendered and civilians should have been given refuge in surrounding safe countries as in EVERY OTHER WAR.

That is what everyone should be speaking up about.

It should not happen because a bomb shouldn’t drop on them.
Someone should not take a bomb and aim the bomb were children are waiting in line for supplements and baby food because they are starving. That is the reason it should not happen. I suppose we’ll all be left waiting now to hear who the Hamas target was, like we always are.

Even though Hamas have done an atrocious thing on 07/10 and have done a terrible disservice to the Palestinians, I’ll never understand why anyone defends the disproportionate approach and actions by the IDF, which results in infants and children been dismembered and burnt alive on a continuous basis with no end in sight. If Hamas see their people as disposable, I don’t understand why the IDF go along with it and treat them as such.

ForgesOfEmpires · 10/07/2025 13:36

I have been here for a few days - I had a few days of work recuperating from an op but I do need to go back to the day job now, and being ADHD (or at least in my own head) I do tend to get completely obsessed with anything I am interested in, so Mumsnet, like gambling, aren't luxuries I usually afford myself.

As I have had lots of interesting chats with a lot of very well informed people, I wanted to say bye bye and thanks for that!

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:03

ForgesOfEmpires · 10/07/2025 12:52

I actually voted for Jeremy Corbyn, despite having very different ideas on foreign policy I liked his other ideas and while I had empathy for the some of the example of antisemitism I saw, I really believed this to be fringe lunacy confined (where it belongs) to unwashed trade union reps and had-been 50 something communists.

Then the mobs started going past my house calling for intifadas and other various bollocks and engaging in some of the most obvious, most classic antisemitism that I never thought I would see in 21st century Britain and I realised he wasn't misjudged at all.

In hindsight, if he were prime minister it would have been catastrophic. He and his movement are like idealistic 6th formers, who have romanticised terrorist groups and Islamic extremists and simply don't understand the danger they pose to innocent lives and the freedoms of others.

He is anti west.

Which is all well and good when you are 15 and trying to be edgy, but as a grown adult it's quite dangerous.

Intifadas aren't glamorous, terrorists aren't freedom fighters, Osama Bin Laden wasn't a misunderstood genius. These people are religious extremists who have in different ways inflicted horrors on women, homosexuals, minorities, and even just those who don't agree with them for decades.

When I look at the mobs behaving like this, or even listen to the silly people here saying the things they say, I don't mean it in a cruel way but honestly the best thing for them would be to go and live for a year in Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Gaza and then come back and speak again.

They're so lucky to be living in the west, so lucky to be free and to be able to be free to vote for whoever they want. They're so lucky they have human rights and civil rights and rules which protect them from tyranny and they are blithely unaware and they have a bit of growing up to do.

Absolutely spot on, apart from voting for Corbyn in the first place!. I've watched Corbyn for decades and it astounded me that he (or more to the point the people around him) managed to persuade sensible people to vote for him. He is really showing his true colours now. That perfect mix of incompetence, self centredness and a dash of old school racist dressed up as 'anticolonialism'.

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 14:13

sualipa · 10/07/2025 12:45

Magic Grandpa – the incorruptible hero of Glastonbury who transformed the Labour Party into the largest grassroots political movement in Europe, only to be brought down by smears, lies, and a coordinated campaign by the establishment at home and abroad to silence and discredit him. He lives on in our hearts and minds.

Like @dairydebris I was smiling reading your post.

It was so utterly predictable that you would love Corbyn.

I don't mean that in a bad way. I think you're idealistic and out of touch with reality but in a well - meaning way.

I agree that you bring some light hearted moments to these threads which are very welcome.

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:17

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 14:13

Like @dairydebris I was smiling reading your post.

It was so utterly predictable that you would love Corbyn.

I don't mean that in a bad way. I think you're idealistic and out of touch with reality but in a well - meaning way.

I agree that you bring some light hearted moments to these threads which are very welcome.

I thought she was being sarcastic 😂

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:18

ForgesOfEmpires · 10/07/2025 13:36

I have been here for a few days - I had a few days of work recuperating from an op but I do need to go back to the day job now, and being ADHD (or at least in my own head) I do tend to get completely obsessed with anything I am interested in, so Mumsnet, like gambling, aren't luxuries I usually afford myself.

As I have had lots of interesting chats with a lot of very well informed people, I wanted to say bye bye and thanks for that!

Please be sure to come back, your knowledge and good sense are very welcome here!

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 14:19

ForgesOfEmpires · 10/07/2025 13:36

I have been here for a few days - I had a few days of work recuperating from an op but I do need to go back to the day job now, and being ADHD (or at least in my own head) I do tend to get completely obsessed with anything I am interested in, so Mumsnet, like gambling, aren't luxuries I usually afford myself.

As I have had lots of interesting chats with a lot of very well informed people, I wanted to say bye bye and thanks for that!

Oh no @ForgesOfEmpires !

I have so enjoyed all the interesting knowledge you have shared over the last few days and listening to your reasonable "voice".

Can't Mumsnet be an occasional vice going forward? Like a weekend vice or something... like a drug that you only take occasionally and can give up whenever you want???

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 14:22

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:17

I thought she was being sarcastic 😂

No I don't think so.

Got an image of @sualipa in my head and she's like Germaine Greer (who I do like but find some of Germaine's ideas a bit batty).

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:23

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 14:22

No I don't think so.

Got an image of @sualipa in my head and she's like Germaine Greer (who I do like but find some of Germaine's ideas a bit batty).

I bloody love Germaine Greer & I can't believe she would give Corbyn the time of day 😁

Tooblondetooyoung · 10/07/2025 14:25

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:23

I bloody love Germaine Greer & I can't believe she would give Corbyn the time of day 😁

I love both of those tbh.

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 14:25

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:23

I bloody love Germaine Greer & I can't believe she would give Corbyn the time of day 😁

😂

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:26

Tooblondetooyoung · 10/07/2025 14:25

I love both of those tbh.

There's room for everyone!

Anonimummy · 10/07/2025 14:39

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:18

Please be sure to come back, your knowledge and good sense are very welcome here!

I agree @ForgesOfEmpires, please dip back in occasionally, as I too have appreciated your well informed posts and perspective of someone from the region with knowledge and experience those of us in the West would not have been aware of or have experienced just from reading about it.

Dangermoo · 10/07/2025 14:45

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 14:17

I thought she was being sarcastic 😂

😆 🤣

Dangermoo · 10/07/2025 14:47

Nooooo @forgesofEmpires you will be sorely missed. Good luck on your recovery x

HellsBalls · 10/07/2025 19:20

sualipa · 10/07/2025 12:45

Magic Grandpa – the incorruptible hero of Glastonbury who transformed the Labour Party into the largest grassroots political movement in Europe, only to be brought down by smears, lies, and a coordinated campaign by the establishment at home and abroad to silence and discredit him. He lives on in our hearts and minds.

You mean Jezbollah?

SharonEllis · 10/07/2025 19:24

HellsBalls · 10/07/2025 19:20

You mean Jezbollah?

That's the one 😂

Twiglets1 · 10/07/2025 19:26

HellsBalls · 10/07/2025 19:20

You mean Jezbollah?

😂

dairydebris · 10/07/2025 19:51

HellsBalls · 10/07/2025 19:20

You mean Jezbollah?

🤣

Dangermoo · 10/07/2025 20:02

dairydebris · 10/07/2025 19:51

🤣

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