Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Leave? As in, be ethnically cleansed?

Leave Gaza. The IDF isn’t that obvious. Apologies if it wasn’t as I don’t believe the IDF, an invading army, having to leave Gaza could ever be considered ethnic cleaning.

How is it complicated? The West Bank and Gaza are not part of Israel, but are occupied and controlled by the Israeli government who prevent the indigenous population from achieving their own statehood. That's why they're called "the occupied territories". That's why the occupation is widely judged as illegal.

It's widely taken for granted in international law that countries don't have the right to just unilaterally go beyond their borders and forcibly extert control over populations outside those borders. The fact that this even needs explaining reflects just how far Zionist apologism has its head up its own backside.

Why would Israel leave when Hamas is operating in Gaza and STILL holding hostages?

Surely if Hamas cared about Israel ‘murdering babies’ they surrender?

That wasn't the point that @Twiglets1 made though. She didn't say that the term concentration camp should only be used when it's accurate, she said it should only be used about the Nazi treatment of jews.

It's also widely acknowledged in international law that you shouldn't fire missiles at the country next door, stab them, burn them alive, kidnap them or otherwise murder them.

So that does add some nuance to things perhaps.

And again. 🙏 how very sad that no one knows.

Now what sense does that make?

How did Israel come to ‘occupy’ the West Bank and Gaza?

Why didn’t the Arabs declare their own state in 1948?

Obviously after illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza, Jordan and Egypt didn’t want those territories back in 1967.

So the land was stateless was it not?

How exactly has Israel prevented the Palestinians from achieving their own statehood?

Unless you mean including all the land including Israel in their state?

Invading army in retaliation to the umpteenth attack from Islamic nutjobs who care more about another country existing than they do their own citizens.

A deflecting post again. I won’t bother to honour any more with a response. Many of us have heard it all before. I however was responding to a pp who seemed to think the IDF having to leave Gaza was ethnic cleansing of the IDF. It isn’t. An occupying force can’t be ethnically cleansed from the country they are occupying.

So, Gideon Levy is off the reading list. Who else? Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomspki, Abi Shlain? Just so we know.

Deflection?
It was you who mentioned ‘invading army’
How am I deflecting? Or you just pissed that some people don’t agree?

@DrPrunesqualer
I think the people in Gaza are suffering greatly.
Tell me why you purely blame idf and not Hamas?
Tell me why you are so concerned about ‘ethnic cleansing’ when Hamas have a charter documenting their plan to annihilate Israel and ‘Zionists’?
Tell me why you can’t support destroying Hamas to free Gaza?

I welcome debate. Not deflection or demeaning others. I’d rather people answered my question upthread on Netanyahus map. But no one wants to speak of it for what it clearly is. No one has to of course it’s not for me to force others to speak of things they would rather not.

I’m not. I blame them all. Along with those who support them all and send weapons. Along with those who seak to justify the actions on both sides. For too long conflict in Gaza and attacks on Israel have been allowed to continue whilst the world ‘does not see’. It continues. (. May I take this opportunity without this being seen as a deflection but this was my main reason for initially posting .,,,,, How do you feel about that plan. Was it just a little joke. You don’t have to respond. No one ever has since it’s been posted for over a year now on these threads. ). If I get any answers it would be amazing.

LTheir charter doesn't say this. Are you aware that the Likud charter makes the same claim to the whole of the land as Hamas do.

Have you read either of their charters btw or are you just going on what you've read in the news?

What I was asking for was a bit of sensitivity around describing this camp (which may never even be built) in that one particular way that could be triggering for Jewish people because of their unique & horrible history.

I realised subsequently that I had been naive and that even by asking for a bit of sensitivity I was just making it more not less likely that certain MNs would use the term frequently.

I was seeing things too much from my own perspective which is that if someone suggested to me that a particular word was triggering, I would find an alternative word.

What plan love? What plan are you referring to?
Since Hamas are terrorists who don’t actually GAF about people in Gaza and have been recorded torturing Palestinians, why would the west do anything to help a terrorist regime?
If Hamas gave a crap about anything other than their ridiculous charter, the suffering would not be so terrible.

???? The thread title. Israel’s plan for Gaza. If you RTT it’s why I started posting. Here’s my post from 12:10 today. ( May I kindly request not to be referred to as love..thanks).

Depends why you're reading, and how much time you have.

Copy of previous post re Netanyahus plan presented to the UNGA September 2023. If it’s blurry apologies suggest original shows the work Israel over Gaza better and of course there are many news articles on it too.

What part deflected from your post mentioning ‘invading army’
Who am I demeaning?

Happy to provide a quick Mumsnet review:

Ilan Pappé – Denies Jewish self-determination and accuses Jews of plotting ethnic cleansing, while the other side literally has a charter promising to wipe Jews from the earth. Perfect for anyone who loves a good oppressor/oppressed fairy tale where Jews are the villains and Palestinians get a free pass.

Norman Finkelstein – Haven’t read much, mostly because he gives off strong “please like me, Gen Z” energy and partly because the one essay I did read was both logically incoherent and bizarrely racist towards Black people. Not exactly a high bar.

Noam Chomsky – Great if you're 16, own a Che Guevara mug, and think everything is America’s fault. His takes on Israel reduce wildly complex dynamics to “colonialism bad,” and he politely sidesteps the awkward antisemitism floating around the far left.

Avi Shlaim – Either has a grudge or just no clue. I distinctly remember reading some nonsense where he blamed Zionists for the Jewish exodus from Arab countries. As someone from Egypt, I can tell you: our 75,000 Jews were purged - citizenship revoked, assets seized, synagogues trashed, people jailed or vanished. But apparently, that was the Jews fault for wanting a homeland. Brilliant.

So if you are looking for a library of authors to support the "Jews colonised Israel" narrative, they are probably the gold standard. If you want to hear the other side too and make your own mind up then maybe add in some variety with...

The Fate of the Jews, 2000 Years as a Diaspora People – Pierre van Paassen
Israel: A Concise History of a Nation Reborn – Daniel Gordis
The Founding Myths of Israeli Policy – Georges Bensoussan
The Claim of Dispossession – Arieh L. Avneri
The Jews of Arab Lands: A History and Source Book – Norman Stillman
In Ishmael’s House: A History of Jews in Muslim Lands – Martin Gilbert
Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor – Yossi Klein Halevi
Islamic Imperialism: A History – Efraim Karsh
Islamic Antisemitism – Bat Ye’or
The Indigenous Jews of the Middle East: Forgotten Refugees – Lyn Julius
The Jewish State: The Struggle for Israel's Soul – Yoram Hazony
The War of Return – Einat Wilf & Adi Schwart

To get a clearer idea?

The original Hamas charter, does say that, and far more. In fact it is explicitly genocidal and antisemitic. While they laundered it for better PR, they still say the same things on TV!