Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

Maybe the rest of Palestine could help?
Seems terribly ‘two tier’ to have pockets of Palestine thriving and other parts suffering.
Do you think the government that is responsible for those suffering needs to do more?
You aren’t thick. You can google hotels and eateries but if you want to brand me a liar then go ahead, no shits given.

You've just totally made up something and said I said it.

I said the destruction of Hamas would make me happy. It would.

You said I said the destruction of Hamas is worth the deaths, starvation, despair and destruction of Gaza.

Completely different things.

Why?

Why say I said something I didn't?

It makes conversation impossible.

It's quite telling that the question of destroying Hamas is being deflected.

I get that a music festival isn’t a political rally, but saying it’s all pointless just because it’s not about the UK really misses the mark. Festivals and music have always been spaces where people speak out (against war, injustice, racism) so this isn’t anything new. And, this is political, whether people like it or not. We’re literally supplying weapons being used in this conflict- that makes it our business. The idea that the UK is powerless is just not true when we’re actively involved.

Also, calling it “ramming political views down people’s necks” is a way of shutting down conversations that make people uncomfortable. If we only ever “looked at our own country,” we’d have stayed silent on apartheid, on Syria, on Ukraine. Caring about human rights doesn’t stop at borders.

Of course antisemitism is a real and serious issue here, and it absolutely needs to be tackled- but speaking out against what’s happening in Gaza isn’t antisemitic. It’s possible to hold space for both. Pretending it’s one or the other helps no one and just divides people more.

What was said did cross the line into antisemitism and inciting violence and hatred. The festival organisers have said this in a statement.

I don’t think anyone’s “deflecting” from Hamas- most people I know, including myself, fully acknowledge that Hamas is a violent organisation and what they did on October 7th was horrific. But recognising that doesn’t mean turning a blind eye to what’s happened since. Over 35,000 people- mostly women and children- have been killed in Gaza. Entire neighbourhoods wiped out. Hospitals, schools, refugee camps bombed. That’s not just about “destroying Hamas”- that’s collective punishment, and it’s a war on civilians.

It’s possible to condemn Hamas and condemn Israel’s actions. It’s not deflection, it’s calling out injustice wherever it happens. If the goal is to stop Hamas, how does killing thousands of children achieve that? How does blocking aid or targeting journalists help? We can’t pretend this is a clean, justified military operation when the scale of suffering is this massive.

Yes, we've heard this for 18 months.

To be honest TinklySnail, you don’t sound very well informed. If children in the UK we being bombed and starved by Russia, and the US and China were giving them unlimited access to funds and weapons to do so…would your first point of call be having a go at the UK government?

And again to TinklySnail - 10% of the UK live in relative luxury…does that mean that the rest of the uk should stop moaning because the 10% are ok? Your arguments don’t make any sense at all

I think someone summed it up well when they said it’s like putting your hand in a fire and then complaining that it burns.

Maybe people are just sick to their back teeth of watching the murders of actual babies and children being live-streamed to them- and seeing absolutely nothing done about it. In fact, we’re not just bystanders; we’re actively complicit. People have been screaming for change for years.

Oh fgs. How are we actively complicit?

In fact, we’re not just bystanders; we’re actively complicit

I don't think you understand what the word 'actively' means.

I don’t see the first line’s relevance. You may be onside for that kind of incitement but the organisers aren’t, and it’s their decision.

Because the UK is literally sending weapons and military parts that are being used in Gaza. British-made components are in the fighter jets that are bombing civilians. We’re not just standing by, we’re helping arm it.

And on top of that, our government has refused to call for a ceasefire, especially when the worst of the bombing was happening. Instead, they’ve backed Israel completely and labelled it all “self-defence,” even while thousands of kids were being killed.

We also haven’t put any pressure on Israel through sanctions or trade- in fact, the opposite. We keep up arms deals and tech trade like nothing’s happening. Plus, whenever there’s international pressure for accountability, like at the UN, the UK either stays silent or blocks it.

And when people here protest or support Palestine, they’re often accused of extremism or antisemitism, just for speaking out. So yeah, through weapons, political support, and shutting down protest, the UK is absolutely complicit. We’re helping this happen. Do some of your own research.

Well no they were specific that they could book a hotel in Gaza.

Would I be happy if Palestine was under alternative leadership? Absolutely.

”The destruction of Hamas” is quite vague but also aggressive in the language.
If we’re classing the current Israeli action as that destruction then no, I wouldn’t be happy if that continued or increased.

I do understand what “actively” means and I’m using it intentionally.

The UK isn’t just silently watching. We’re supplying weapons, approving arms licenses, maintaining trade ties, and giving political cover while this is happening. That’s not passive, that’s involvement. That’s active.

When a government keeps arming and backing another state during a campaign that’s killed tens of thousands of civilians, including children, that’s not standing on the sidelines. That’s participation- whether directly or through enabling.

So yes, it’s absolutely fair to say the UK is actively complicit.

That's all very well. But a line was crossed. Unfortunately the "music festival" wasn't so enjoyable for one section of the population due to the racist anti semitic chants. I hesitate to use the phrase but the people there should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Those that chanted. And those that stood by.

The burning hand comment is about frustration, not incitement. It’s pointing to the anger and helplessness people feel watching atrocities happen in real time, while those in power (including our own government) either stay silent or actively support it. That’s not encouraging violence, it’s describing the emotional reality for a lot of people.

I get that the organisers have to make decisions for their event, and they’ve made theirs. But that doesn’t mean people can’t challenge it or talk about why others are speaking out. When the situation is this extreme, people are going to find ways to be heard- even if it makes others uncomfortable. Silence has never been neutral in the face of injustice.

@NiMaithLiomDeLuain
So now we are not specifically talking about Gaza but Palestine as a whole?
So you don’t have any concern that Gaza is in the predicament they are in because of their government compared to other parts of Palestine.
Desperately trying to defend a foreign government? Oh the irony

I think both Blinken’s “day after” vision and the Arab backed plan both contained elements of having a temporary government govern Gaza, requiring the disarmament of Hamas.

From what Blinken said, Hamas are able to replenish their ranks. If you are a 19 year old in Gaza right now what are your options, what does the future look like? Watch your family hungry and homeless and spend in your days in despair. Or join Hamas, get fed and feel like you are doing something. Or maybe even join this armed group being funded by Israel. That’s why you can’t ever get to “total destruction “ by military means.

The Israeli government are not talking about the “day after” There is no talk of rebuilding, rehabilitating. There is no political path forward even being discussed. Nothing like this is even on the table.

What would be world look like if every county that experienced terrorism starting bombing and starving out terrorists no matter how many innocent lives were killed or ruined?

You don't think using aggressive language around Hamas is appropriate? Sometimes violence has to be met with violence. Do you think violence is ever justified?

So the destruction of Hamas? Would you be happy about that? You still didn't answer.

As long as people have been "screaming for change" in all other wars round the world too then that's fine. Glastonbury was like the UN with all the many world wide varied, different national flags on display. Presumably

I notice this only ever counts for people who are pro Palestinian though. People who are pro Israel aren't expected to go around defending the killing of babies in Sudan or Ukraine too. What makes the killing of Palestinian babies so different that they spend their time defending the foreign government and army responsible for that but not other foreign governments responsible for kid killing?